USC and Columbia Protests

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Anonymous wrote:These protests are so stupid. What does columbia have to do with the war in gaza? nothing. nothing at all.

What do the protetstors want? For Columbia to stop the war? What morons. They deserve to go to jail for idiocy.

They want America to stop funding the attack on civilians in Gaza.

I remember Harvard protests in the 1980s over apartheid in South Africa. They built shanty towns in Harvard Yard and slept in them. They wanted Harvard to divest in South Africa until they ended apartheid. The students at Harvard and other colleges made a difference in the anti apartheid movement and Nelson Mandela was voted president. It wasn’t all because of the students but they did help.

They should be protesting Hamas. Not targeting Jewish students who have nothing to do with the government sending money to Israel.

For progressive students, Sinwar and Hamas are the same as Mandela and the ANC. They think what they are doing is the same as what a prior generation did when they protested apartheid. And they don't understand why people are appalled with their language and their signs and their absurd false equivalencies.

Its not just progressive students who are clued into this. Its no accident that Israel was one of South Africa's last defenders. I would go so far as to say Israel is a much worse acter than South Africa ever was, but they have a better PR/Lobbying front.

Ah, such rose colored glasses (or basic lack of knowledge?) skewing your perception.

I don't recall South Africa ever triple-tapping aid workers providing food or calling the UNRWA terrorists. Also, the apartheid regime in South Africa killed about 7,000 people over a 40 year period. Israel may have killed that many in the few months.

The only reason people bristle at the comparison is that we still consider Israel one of the "Good Guys" while apartheid South Africa is firmly in the "Bad Guys" mental bucket.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These protests are so stupid. What does columbia have to do with the war in gaza? nothing. nothing at all.

What do the protetstors want? For Columbia to stop the war? What morons. They deserve to go to jail for idiocy.

They want America to stop funding the attack on civilians in Gaza.

I remember Harvard protests in the 1980s over apartheid in South Africa. They built shanty towns in Harvard Yard and slept in them. They wanted Harvard to divest in South Africa until they ended apartheid. The students at Harvard and other colleges made a difference in the anti apartheid movement and Nelson Mandela was voted president. It wasn’t all because of the students but they did help.

They should be protesting Hamas. Not targeting Jewish students who have nothing to do with the government sending money to Israel.

For progressive students, Sinwar and Hamas are the same as Mandela and the ANC. They think what they are doing is the same as what a prior generation did when they protested apartheid. And they don't understand why people are appalled with their language and their signs and their absurd false equivalencies.

Thanks for putting that so clearly

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These protests are so stupid. What does columbia have to do with the war in gaza? nothing. nothing at all.

What do the protetstors want? For Columbia to stop the war? What morons. They deserve to go to jail for idiocy.

They want America to stop funding the attack on civilians in Gaza.

I remember Harvard protests in the 1980s over apartheid in South Africa. They built shanty towns in Harvard Yard and slept in them. They wanted Harvard to divest in South Africa until they ended apartheid. The students at Harvard and other colleges made a difference in the anti apartheid movement and Nelson Mandela was voted president. It wasn’t all because of the students but they did help.

They should be protesting Hamas. Not targeting Jewish students who have nothing to do with the government sending money to Israel.

For progressive students, Sinwar and Hamas are the same as Mandela and the ANC. They think what they are doing is the same as what a prior generation did when they protested apartheid. And they don't understand why people are appalled with their language and their signs and their absurd false equivalencies.

Save your cheap McCarthiism for Fox News along with 40 beheaded babies and other vile lies. The students are protesting their own country’s enablement of barbarity.

Signed by a useful idiot who wouldn’t last a day in Gaza trying to do the same thing there.

Yes the IDF kills Americans, hostages and civilians in Gaza. Hamas not so much. The killing in Gaza and the Middle East stops when the pro Israel US politicians are defeated. After that the US can moved forward with a rational fair policy that address the real issue in the Middle East.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These protests are so stupid. What does columbia have to do with the war in gaza? nothing. nothing at all.

What do the protetstors want? For Columbia to stop the war? What morons. They deserve to go to jail for idiocy.

They want America to stop funding the attack on civilians in Gaza.

I remember Harvard protests in the 1980s over apartheid in South Africa. They built shanty towns in Harvard Yard and slept in them. They wanted Harvard to divest in South Africa until they ended apartheid. The students at Harvard and other colleges made a difference in the anti apartheid movement and Nelson Mandela was voted president. It wasn’t all because of the students but they did help.

They should be protesting Hamas. Not targeting Jewish students who have nothing to do with the government sending money to Israel.

The difference is that the protesters in the 80s weren’t regularly surrounded by white supremacists defending apartheid in SA. The pro-Palestinian demonstrators are regularly confronted by Jewish students waiving Israeli flags and defending the actions of a government that has butchered thousands of women and kids. When the universities then go out of their way to attack the protesters and align with the counter-protesters, tempers flare because it becomes very clear who has the greater money and power both domestically and abroad.

You’re not entitled to a demonstration without counter protestors nor are you entitled to a campus free of flags you dislike.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These protests are so stupid. What does columbia have to do with the war in gaza? nothing. nothing at all.

What do the protetstors want? For Columbia to stop the war? What morons. They deserve to go to jail for idiocy.

They want America to stop funding the attack on civilians in Gaza.

I remember Harvard protests in the 1980s over apartheid in South Africa. They built shanty towns in Harvard Yard and slept in them. They wanted Harvard to divest in South Africa until they ended apartheid. The students at Harvard and other colleges made a difference in the anti apartheid movement and Nelson Mandela was voted president. It wasn’t all because of the students but they did help.

They should be protesting Hamas. Not targeting Jewish students who have nothing to do with the government sending money to Israel.

For progressive students, Sinwar and Hamas are the same as Mandela and the ANC. They think what they are doing is the same as what a prior generation did when they protested apartheid. And they don't understand why people are appalled with their language and their signs and their absurd false equivalencies.

Save your cheap McCarthiism for Fox News along with 40 beheaded babies and other vile lies. The students are protesting their own country’s enablement of barbarity.

Signed by a useful idiot who wouldn’t last a day in Gaza trying to do the same thing there.

Yes the IDF kills Americans, hostages and civilians in Gaza. Hamas not so much. The killing in Gaza and the Middle East stops when the pro Israel US politicians are defeated. After that the US can moved forward with a rational fair policy that address the real issue in the Middle East.

Hamas disagrees with you. They’ve made clear what it would take for them to stop and it isn’t about US politicians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These protests are so stupid. What does columbia have to do with the war in gaza? nothing. nothing at all.

What do the protetstors want? For Columbia to stop the war? What morons. They deserve to go to jail for idiocy.

They want America to stop funding the attack on civilians in Gaza.

I remember Harvard protests in the 1980s over apartheid in South Africa. They built shanty towns in Harvard Yard and slept in them. They wanted Harvard to divest in South Africa until they ended apartheid. The students at Harvard and other colleges made a difference in the anti apartheid movement and Nelson Mandela was voted president. It wasn’t all because of the students but they did help.

They should be protesting Hamas. Not targeting Jewish students who have nothing to do with the government sending money to Israel.

For progressive students, Sinwar and Hamas are the same as Mandela and the ANC. They think what they are doing is the same as what a prior generation did when they protested apartheid. And they don't understand why people are appalled with their language and their signs and their absurd false equivalencies.

Save your cheap McCarthiism for Fox News along with 40 beheaded babies and other vile lies. The students are protesting their own country’s enablement of barbarity.

Signed by a useful idiot who wouldn’t last a day in Gaza trying to do the same thing there.

Yes the IDF kills Americans, hostages and civilians in Gaza. Hamas not so much. The killing in Gaza and the Middle East stops when the pro Israel US politicians are defeated. After that the US can moved forward with a rational fair policy that address the real issue in the Middle East.

That’s absurd. You are justifying terrorism. WTF

The USA is not perfect but neither is Hamas and it takes two to fight. Ever wonder why you never hear about Quaker terrorists that murder innocent civilians? Because violence is not the only way to respond to persecution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

This is such bullsh#t. There are paid agitators on the pro Israel side. I have seen them in action.

Um, maybe two things can be true?

ICYMI: universities are rep’d by Big Law, and lots of stuff happens that never hits the news because things are handled quietly behind closed doors…with big checkbooks.

I agree that both sides have unhinged agitators. Frankly, I’m more worried about the growing number of young Americans who can’t grasp the complexity of the situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

This is such bullsh#t. There are paid agitators on the pro Israel side. I have seen them in action.

Um, maybe two things can be true?

ICYMI: universities are rep’d by Big Law, and lots of stuff happens that never hits the news because things are handled quietly behind closed doors…with big checkbooks.

I agree that both sides have unhinged agitators. Frankly, I’m more worried about the growing number of young Americans who can’t grasp the complexity of the situation.

+1 for sure

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These protests are so stupid. What does columbia have to do with the war in gaza? nothing. nothing at all.

What do the protetstors want? For Columbia to stop the war? What morons. They deserve to go to jail for idiocy.

They want America to stop funding the attack on civilians in Gaza.

I remember Harvard protests in the 1980s over apartheid in South Africa. They built shanty towns in Harvard Yard and slept in them. They wanted Harvard to divest in South Africa until they ended apartheid. The students at Harvard and other colleges made a difference in the anti apartheid movement and Nelson Mandela was voted president. It wasn’t all because of the students but they did help.

They should be protesting Hamas. Not targeting Jewish students who have nothing to do with the government sending money to Israel.

For progressive students, Sinwar and Hamas are the same as Mandela and the ANC. They think what they are doing is the same as what a prior generation did when they protested apartheid. And they don't understand why people are appalled with their language and their signs and their absurd false equivalencies.

Save your cheap McCarthiism for Fox News along with 40 beheaded babies and other vile lies. The students are protesting their own country’s enablement of barbarity.

Signed by a useful idiot who wouldn’t last a day in Gaza trying to do the same thing there.

Yes the IDF kills Americans, hostages and civilians in Gaza. Hamas not so much. The killing in Gaza and the Middle East stops when the pro Israel US politicians are defeated. After that the US can moved forward with a rational fair policy that address the real issue in the Middle East.

That’s absurd. You are justifying terrorism. WTF

The USA is not perfect but neither is Hamas and it takes two to fight. Ever wonder why you never hear about Quaker terrorists that murder innocent civilians? Because violence is not the only way to respond to persecution.

British comic Jimmy Carr’s latest Netflix special includes a set where he roasts Catholics then explains why he won’t similarly roast Muslims. Long story short, he quips that he’ll stop telling catholic jokes when they start blowing things up.

So, yeah…one group of extremists uses violence in the name of religion. They’re called terrorists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/04/columbia-university-protests-palestine/678159/?gift=mg7b1AqRHrzgE279scHT_JqGAaK-cEdHC33cpDj0ano&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

The Unreality of Columbia’s ‘Liberated Zone’
What happens when genuine sympathy for civilian suffering mixes with a fervor that borders on the oppressive?

By Michael Powell

"students chanting like automatons"

"Repeat after me,” he says, and 100 protesters dutifully repeat: “I’m bored! We would like you to leave!”

"Upon entering the zone, I was instructed to listen as a gatekeeper read community guidelines that included not talking with people not authorized to be inside—a category that seemed to include anyone of differing opinions. "

"The prevailing tone tends toward late-stage Frantz Fanon: much talk of revolution and purging oneself of bourgeois affectation. "

Reading this article, I am struck by how absolutely stupid these kids sound. I don't care what they are protesting, they just sound stupid. I didn't grow up here, did college protests in bygone eras sound so asinine? And how do I make sure my kids do not become this dumb?

[Anonymous]

No American should use the word “comrade” ever.

Have these kids not seen any movies from the 1980s?

Geez.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/04/columbia-university-protests-palestine/678159/?gift=mg7b1AqRHrzgE279scHT_JqGAaK-cEdHC33cpDj0ano&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

The Unreality of Columbia’s ‘Liberated Zone’
What happens when genuine sympathy for civilian suffering mixes with a fervor that borders on the oppressive?

By Michael Powell

"students chanting like automatons"

"Repeat after me,” he says, and 100 protesters dutifully repeat: “I’m bored! We would like you to leave!”

"Upon entering the zone, I was instructed to listen as a gatekeeper read community guidelines that included not talking with people not authorized to be inside—a category that seemed to include anyone of differing opinions. "

"The prevailing tone tends toward late-stage Frantz Fanon: much talk of revolution and purging oneself of bourgeois affectation. "

Reading this article, I am struck by how absolutely stupid these kids sound. I don't care what they are protesting, they just sound stupid. I didn't grow up here, did college protests in bygone eras sound so asinine? And how do I make sure my kids do not become this dumb?

I got the same impression. Protestors during the Vietnam era were mostly upset because their friends were getting killed overseas after being drafted. They were more concerned about Americans dying needlessly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/04/columbia-university-protests-palestine/678159/?gift=mg7b1AqRHrzgE279scHT_JqGAaK-cEdHC33cpDj0ano&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

The Unreality of Columbia’s ‘Liberated Zone’
What happens when genuine sympathy for civilian suffering mixes with a fervor that borders on the oppressive?

By Michael Powell

"students chanting like automatons"

"Repeat after me,” he says, and 100 protesters dutifully repeat: “I’m bored! We would like you to leave!”

"Upon entering the zone, I was instructed to listen as a gatekeeper read community guidelines that included not talking with people not authorized to be inside—a category that seemed to include anyone of differing opinions. "

"The prevailing tone tends toward late-stage Frantz Fanon: much talk of revolution and purging oneself of bourgeois affectation. "

Reading this article, I am struck by how absolutely stupid these kids sound. I don't care what they are protesting, they just sound stupid. I didn't grow up here, did college protests in bygone eras sound so asinine? And how do I make sure my kids do not become this dumb?

Really, I found the journalist really biased. God forbid someone want to divest after "the death toll has grown"*:

"As the war has raged on and the death toll has grown, protest rallies on American campuses have morphed into a campaign of ever grander and more elaborate ambitions: From “Cease-fire now” to the categorical claim that Israel is guilty of genocide and war crimes to demands that Columbia divest from Israeli companies and any American company selling arms to the Jewish state."

And, you don't find it troubling that professors are telling Jewish students to leave for their safety when the protestors held a Shabbat dinner and were planning a Passover seder?

Finally, why should the protestors want to talk to a journalist who is so clearly patronizing?

(*grown = 35k deaths in 6 mo + Israeli soldier casualties in the hundreds)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/04/columbia-university-protests-palestine/678159/?gift=mg7b1AqRHrzgE279scHT_JqGAaK-cEdHC33cpDj0ano&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

The Unreality of Columbia’s ‘Liberated Zone’
What happens when genuine sympathy for civilian suffering mixes with a fervor that borders on the oppressive?

By Michael Powell

"students chanting like automatons"

"Repeat after me,” he says, and 100 protesters dutifully repeat: “I’m bored! We would like you to leave!”

"Upon entering the zone, I was instructed to listen as a gatekeeper read community guidelines that included not talking with people not authorized to be inside—a category that seemed to include anyone of differing opinions. "

"The prevailing tone tends toward late-stage Frantz Fanon: much talk of revolution and purging oneself of bourgeois affectation. "

Reading this article, I am struck by how absolutely stupid these kids sound. I don't care what they are protesting, they just sound stupid. I didn't grow up here, did college protests in bygone eras sound so asinine? And how do I make sure my kids do not become this dumb?

Really, I found the journalist really biased. God forbid someone want to divest after "the death toll has grown"*:

"As the war has raged on and the death toll has grown, protest rallies on American campuses have morphed into a campaign of ever grander and more elaborate ambitions: From “Cease-fire now” to the categorical claim that Israel is guilty of genocide and war crimes to demands that Columbia divest from Israeli companies and any American company selling arms to the Jewish state."

And, you don't find it troubling that professors are telling Jewish students to leave for their safety when the protestors held a Shabbat dinner and were planning a Passover seder?

Finally, why should the protestors want to talk to a journalist who is so clearly patronizing?

(*grown = 35k deaths in 6 mo + Israeli soldier casualties in the hundreds)

It's pretty funny/pathetic/stupid for anti-Israel protesters to have a seder...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/04/columbia-university-protests-palestine/678159/?gift=mg7b1AqRHrzgE279scHT_JqGAaK-cEdHC33cpDj0ano&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

The Unreality of Columbia’s ‘Liberated Zone’
What happens when genuine sympathy for civilian suffering mixes with a fervor that borders on the oppressive?

By Michael Powell

"students chanting like automatons"

"Repeat after me,” he says, and 100 protesters dutifully repeat: “I’m bored! We would like you to leave!”

"Upon entering the zone, I was instructed to listen as a gatekeeper read community guidelines that included not talking with people not authorized to be inside—a category that seemed to include anyone of differing opinions. "

"The prevailing tone tends toward late-stage Frantz Fanon: much talk of revolution and purging oneself of bourgeois affectation. "

Reading this article, I am struck by how absolutely stupid these kids sound. I don't care what they are protesting, they just sound stupid. I didn't grow up here, did college protests in bygone eras sound so asinine? And how do I make sure my kids do not become this dumb?

I got the same impression. Protestors during the Vietnam era were mostly upset because their friends were getting killed overseas after being drafted. They were more concerned about Americans dying needlessly.

LOL. My dad was drafted at 18, and nearly died 8 months later. After 10 operations in Japan, he returned home and eventually went to a state school. People yelled "baby killer" at him, which traumatized him because it was not his choice to go. Students were mad that Americans were killing Vietnamese children. Remember the horrific picture of the naked girl running down the street. Yes, people were mad about the draft, but it was also what we were doing in Vietnam.

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/national/military-news/vietnam-veterans/baby-killer-veteran-recalls-his-terrible-welcome-home-voices-of-bravery-vietnam/77-11599561-d442-4c8d-b479-2338b76a5421