The Bike Lobby is too powerful in DC...

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Anonymous wrote:The 2022 plans have no bearing on what will be presented because DDOT and neighbors did block by block walk-throughs which will result in refinements to those base maps.

Which will... add back parking, but not take away the freaking turn lane?

Much of the assumed parking (shown in green) in the Cleveland Park historic district commercial area has already been removed. The service lane, which was rebuilt as a shared space for pedestrians and parking has been closed to vehicles on basically a permanent basis. So the available parking will be less than shown in the diagram, which is additional blow to the businesses.

...whose patrons by and large don't even drive to their doors. They walk. So a promenade makes way more sense than a service lane (esp. since there is an alley).

The “promenade” will be given over to streeeteries at bargain-basement prices. Essentially it is public space that is being privatised. Maybe a bar and a couple of restaurants may benefit from this arrangement but most of the other businesses will suffer.

As far as the bike lane is concerned, the Ward 3 council member has said that if the service lane parking were lost then parking cannot also be removed on the east side of Connecticut. So that means a shared bike lane on the west side of Conn only, if at all.

That's funny because I see people milling about during the week and various markets on the weekend.

"Public space that is being privatised". Really? Oh yeah, it was sooo much more "public" before when it was reserved for a handful of people who wanted to store their cars there for free while the majority of people who were walking or tranisting there were crammed into a tiny freaking sidewalk where two folks could barely walk by each other without shoulders touching.

It's all good, though, because now the people in the silly yellow shirts can stand there while demonstrating for cars.

Beating a dead horse. Time to move on.

Not sure about the horse, but bike lanes on Connecticut Ave NW are dead. RIP.

Yeah? DDOT built themselves a brand new project site for it like 2 months ago. Sure seems "dead" to me.

You mean DDOT consultants built it. Except for the website, the cupboard is bare. Not even Frumin is a fan anymore.

This is based on ??? exactly?

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Anonymous wrote:The 2022 plans have no bearing on what will be presented because DDOT and neighbors did block by block walk-throughs which will result in refinements to those base maps.

Which will... add back parking, but not take away the freaking turn lane?

Much of the assumed parking (shown in green) in the Cleveland Park historic district commercial area has already been removed. The service lane, which was rebuilt as a shared space for pedestrians and parking has been closed to vehicles on basically a permanent basis. So the available parking will be less than shown in the diagram, which is additional blow to the businesses.

...whose patrons by and large don't even drive to their doors. They walk. So a promenade makes way more sense than a service lane (esp. since there is an alley).

The “promenade” will be given over to streeeteries at bargain-basement prices. Essentially it is public space that is being privatised. Maybe a bar and a couple of restaurants may benefit from this arrangement but most of the other businesses will suffer.

As far as the bike lane is concerned, the Ward 3 council member has said that if the service lane parking were lost then parking cannot also be removed on the east side of Connecticut. So that means a shared bike lane on the west side of Conn only, if at all.

That's funny because I see people milling about during the week and various markets on the weekend.

"Public space that is being privatised". Really? Oh yeah, it was sooo much more "public" before when it was reserved for a handful of people who wanted to store their cars there for free while the majority of people who were walking or tranisting there were crammed into a tiny freaking sidewalk where two folks could barely walk by each other without shoulders touching.

It's all good, though, because now the people in the silly yellow shirts can stand there while demonstrating for cars.

Beating a dead horse. Time to move on.

Not sure about the horse, but bike lanes on Connecticut Ave NW are dead. RIP.

Yeah? DDOT built themselves a brand new project site for it like 2 months ago. Sure seems "dead" to me.

You mean DDOT consultants built it. Except for the website, the cupboard is bare. Not even Frumin is a fan anymore.

This is based on ??? exactly?

Prior comment from poster before you isn't going to age well.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s over. The project isn’t happening. The businesses are against it. The police are against it. Thousands of neighbors are against it. The mayor gets it now.

*Thousands of MD residents who enjoy speeding on Conn Ave without any repercussions are against it.

FIFY

After the news of last night, maybe we should start listening to the business owners? Pretty please.

If anything, it negates the need for cars to have priority to get downtown. Maybe the city should be focused on strengthening the neighborhoods and the people who live and work in them, particularly those working from home who want to run quick errands during the day by bike.

Here’s some advice: if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Bike lanes have become the symbol of progressive policies run amok.

Maybe you should get outside more. This is a certifiably insane thing to say.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s over. The project isn’t happening. The businesses are against it. The police are against it. Thousands of neighbors are against it. The mayor gets it now.

*Thousands of MD residents who enjoy speeding on Conn Ave without any repercussions are against it.

FIFY

After the news of last night, maybe we should start listening to the business owners? Pretty please.

If anything, it negates the need for cars to have priority to get downtown. Maybe the city should be focused on strengthening the neighborhoods and the people who live and work in them, particularly those working from home who want to run quick errands during the day by bike.

Here’s some advice: if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Bike lanes have become the symbol of progressive policies run amok.

Maybe you should get outside more. This is a certifiably insane thing to say.

I hate that transit/safety is seen as a culture wars issue. So incredibly toxic. Can we please not? I know at least one uber-conservative pundit in this area who is very much in favor of traffic safety since he has a ton of kids and realizes that family life sucks if your kids can’t be safely independent and play outside. It’s truly not partisan.

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I don’t want to debate much of any content in this thread on its “merits,” but I did have a hearty lol at the title.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s over. The project isn’t happening. The businesses are against it. The police are against it. Thousands of neighbors are against it. The mayor gets it now.

*Thousands of MD residents who enjoy speeding on Conn Ave without any repercussions are against it.

FIFY

After the news of last night, maybe we should start listening to the business owners? Pretty please.

If anything, it negates the need for cars to have priority to get downtown. Maybe the city should be focused on strengthening the neighborhoods and the people who live and work in them, particularly those working from home who want to run quick errands during the day by bike.

Here’s some advice: if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Bike lanes have become the symbol of progressive policies run amok.

Maybe you should get outside more. This is a certifiably insane thing to say.

I hate that transit/safety is seen as a culture wars issue. So incredibly toxic. Can we please not? I know at least one uber-conservative pundit in this area who is very much in favor of traffic safety since he has a ton of kids and realizes that family life sucks if your kids can’t be safely independent and play outside. It’s truly not partisan.

I think the issue is more than people think bike lanes are a giant waste of transportation resources. All this real estate reserved for a vanishingly small share of the population reeks of special interest politics.

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If bike lanes weren't dead already, they're gone with the wind now - or at least gone with the Wizards and the Caps. People have finally had it up to here with all of Bowser's bad agenda: not just bike lanes that create traffic jams, out of control crime that has spread to formerly safe neighborhoods; allowing the police department to become hollowed out; a misguided voucher program that works only to enrich glorified slumlords while spreading the aforesaid crime around; truancy and further declining DC public schools (if that's possible); selling out the DC government to real estate developers; poor quality appointed officials; and "urban vibrancy" that has become code for a declining quality of life in many areas. The list goes on.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s over. The project isn’t happening. The businesses are against it. The police are against it. Thousands of neighbors are against it. The mayor gets it now.

*Thousands of MD residents who enjoy speeding on Conn Ave without any repercussions are against it.

FIFY

After the news of last night, maybe we should start listening to the business owners? Pretty please.

If anything, it negates the need for cars to have priority to get downtown. Maybe the city should be focused on strengthening the neighborhoods and the people who live and work in them, particularly those working from home who want to run quick errands during the day by bike.

Here’s some advice: if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Bike lanes have become the symbol of progressive policies run amok.

Maybe you should get outside more. This is a certifiably insane thing to say.

I hate that transit/safety is seen as a culture wars issue. So incredibly toxic. Can we please not? I know at least one uber-conservative pundit in this area who is very much in favor of traffic safety since he has a ton of kids and realizes that family life sucks if your kids can’t be safely independent and play outside. It’s truly not partisan.

I think the issue is more than people think bike lanes are a giant waste of transportation resources. All this real estate reserved for a vanishingly small share of the population reeks of special interest politics.

It's not that much space and not that much money. And the whole point is to help encourage more people to use non-car modes of transportation. People who already use their bikes to get around are currently riding in the street in unprotected lanes all over the place (including on Connecticut Avenue). The special interest being catered to here is the people who would ride if the infrastructure was better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s over. The project isn’t happening. The businesses are against it. The police are against it. Thousands of neighbors are against it. The mayor gets it now.

*Thousands of MD residents who enjoy speeding on Conn Ave without any repercussions are against it.

FIFY

After the news of last night, maybe we should start listening to the business owners? Pretty please.

If anything, it negates the need for cars to have priority to get downtown. Maybe the city should be focused on strengthening the neighborhoods and the people who live and work in them, particularly those working from home who want to run quick errands during the day by bike.

Here’s some advice: if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Bike lanes have become the symbol of progressive policies run amok.

Maybe you should get outside more. This is a certifiably insane thing to say.

The truth hurts. Defund, housing vouchers, sanctuary cities, bike lanes, drug legalization, and more are crushing DC and other cities and wiping out decades of hard won revitalization.

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Anonymous wrote:If bike lanes weren't dead already, they're gone with the wind now - or at least gone with the Wizards and the Caps. People have finally had it up to here with all of Bowser's bad agenda: not just bike lanes that create traffic jams, out of control crime that has spread to formerly safe neighborhoods; allowing the police department to become hollowed out; a misguided voucher program that works only to enrich glorified slumlords while spreading the aforesaid crime around; truancy and further declining DC public schools (if that's possible); selling out the DC government to real estate developers; poor quality appointed officials; and "urban vibrancy" that has become code for a declining quality of life in many areas. The list goes on.

If anything, the reduced demand for going downtown undermines the downtown business lobby's arguments.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s over. The project isn’t happening. The businesses are against it. The police are against it. Thousands of neighbors are against it. The mayor gets it now.

*Thousands of MD residents who enjoy speeding on Conn Ave without any repercussions are against it.

FIFY

After the news of last night, maybe we should start listening to the business owners? Pretty please.

If anything, it negates the need for cars to have priority to get downtown. Maybe the city should be focused on strengthening the neighborhoods and the people who live and work in them, particularly those working from home who want to run quick errands during the day by bike.

Here’s some advice: if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Bike lanes have become the symbol of progressive policies run amok.

Maybe you should get outside more. This is a certifiably insane thing to say.

I hate that transit/safety is seen as a culture wars issue. So incredibly toxic. Can we please not? I know at least one uber-conservative pundit in this area who is very much in favor of traffic safety since he has a ton of kids and realizes that family life sucks if your kids can’t be safely independent and play outside. It’s truly not partisan.

I think the issue is more than people think bike lanes are a giant waste of transportation resources. All this real estate reserved for a vanishingly small share of the population reeks of special interest politics.

It's not that much space and not that much money. And the whole point is to help encourage more people to use non-car modes of transportation. People who already use their bikes to get around are currently riding in the street in unprotected lanes all over the place (including on Connecticut Avenue). The special interest being catered to here is the people who would ride if the infrastructure was better.

The only people who give a fkc about protected bike lanes are people who already bike.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s over. The project isn’t happening. The businesses are against it. The police are against it. Thousands of neighbors are against it. The mayor gets it now.

*Thousands of MD residents who enjoy speeding on Conn Ave without any repercussions are against it.

FIFY

After the news of last night, maybe we should start listening to the business owners? Pretty please.

If anything, it negates the need for cars to have priority to get downtown. Maybe the city should be focused on strengthening the neighborhoods and the people who live and work in them, particularly those working from home who want to run quick errands during the day by bike.

Here’s some advice: if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Bike lanes have become the symbol of progressive policies run amok.

Maybe you should get outside more. This is a certifiably insane thing to say.

I hate that transit/safety is seen as a culture wars issue. So incredibly toxic. Can we please not? I know at least one uber-conservative pundit in this area who is very much in favor of traffic safety since he has a ton of kids and realizes that family life sucks if your kids can’t be safely independent and play outside. It’s truly not partisan.

I think the issue is more than people think bike lanes are a giant waste of transportation resources. All this real estate reserved for a vanishingly small share of the population reeks of special interest politics.

It's not that much space and not that much money. And the whole point is to help encourage more people to use non-car modes of transportation. People who already use their bikes to get around are currently riding in the street in unprotected lanes all over the place (including on Connecticut Avenue). The special interest being catered to here is the people who would ride if the infrastructure was better.

The only people who give a fkc about protected bike lanes are people who already bike.

And people who would like to bike, but don't feel safe right now. And people who would like it to be safe for people to bike. And people who would like it to be safe for kids to bike. And people who use scooters, or other mobility devices. And, gee, actually, that's adding up to a lot of people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s over. The project isn’t happening. The businesses are against it. The police are against it. Thousands of neighbors are against it. The mayor gets it now.

*Thousands of MD residents who enjoy speeding on Conn Ave without any repercussions are against it.

FIFY

After the news of last night, maybe we should start listening to the business owners? Pretty please.

If anything, it negates the need for cars to have priority to get downtown. Maybe the city should be focused on strengthening the neighborhoods and the people who live and work in them, particularly those working from home who want to run quick errands during the day by bike.

Here’s some advice: if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Bike lanes have become the symbol of progressive policies run amok.

Maybe you should get outside more. This is a certifiably insane thing to say.

I hate that transit/safety is seen as a culture wars issue. So incredibly toxic. Can we please not? I know at least one uber-conservative pundit in this area who is very much in favor of traffic safety since he has a ton of kids and realizes that family life sucks if your kids can’t be safely independent and play outside. It’s truly not partisan.

I think the issue is more than people think bike lanes are a giant waste of transportation resources. All this real estate reserved for a vanishingly small share of the population reeks of special interest politics.

It's not that much space and not that much money. And the whole point is to help encourage more people to use non-car modes of transportation. People who already use their bikes to get around are currently riding in the street in unprotected lanes all over the place (including on Connecticut Avenue). The special interest being catered to here is the people who would ride if the infrastructure was better.

The only people who give a fkc about protected bike lanes are people who already bike.

And people who would like to bike, but don't feel safe right now. And people who would like it to be safe for people to bike. And people who would like it to be safe for kids to bike. And people who use scooters, or other mobility devices. And, gee, actually, that's adding up to a lot of people.

This is like saying everyone really wants to skateboard to work, and the only reason they don't is because we don't have protected skateboarding lanes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If bike lanes weren't dead already, they're gone with the wind now - or at least gone with the Wizards and the Caps. People have finally had it up to here with all of Bowser's bad agenda: not just bike lanes that create traffic jams, out of control crime that has spread to formerly safe neighborhoods; allowing the police department to become hollowed out; a misguided voucher program that works only to enrich glorified slumlords while spreading the aforesaid crime around; truancy and further declining DC public schools (if that's possible); selling out the DC government to real estate developers; poor quality appointed officials; and "urban vibrancy" that has become code for a declining quality of life in many areas. The list goes on.

If anything, the reduced demand for going downtown undermines the downtown business lobby's arguments.

Your policies destroy the city and now you want a prize?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If bike lanes weren't dead already, they're gone with the wind now - or at least gone with the Wizards and the Caps. People have finally had it up to here with all of Bowser's bad agenda: not just bike lanes that create traffic jams, out of control crime that has spread to formerly safe neighborhoods; allowing the police department to become hollowed out; a misguided voucher program that works only to enrich glorified slumlords while spreading the aforesaid crime around; truancy and further declining DC public schools (if that's possible); selling out the DC government to real estate developers; poor quality appointed officials; and "urban vibrancy" that has become code for a declining quality of life in many areas. The list goes on.

If anything, the reduced demand for going downtown undermines the downtown business lobby's arguments.

Your policies destroy the city and now you want a prize?

The bike lanes are not the reason the Wizards and Caps are leaving, and just because Bowser supports the bike lanes doesn't mean everyone else who does supports Bowser.