Donna puts the blame on HRC and DWS for the DNC debacle

Anonymous
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

DWS signed a financial agreement with the Clinton campaign for them to control pretty much all the DNC funds.
Anonymous
I don't have time to read this all now, but just so I can put this in context.....is this the media person who snuck a debate question to Hillary?
Anonymous
Is anybody shocked by this? Not me.

The only stunning thing is that Brazile would put this in writing. I guess in an attempt to make herself look good.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I don't have time to read this all now, but just so I can put this in context.....is this the media person who snuck a debate question to Hillary?


Yep.
Anonymous


"The agreement—signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and Robby Mook with a copy to Marc Elias—specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings."

"The funding arrangement with HFA and the victory fund agreement was not illegal, but it sure looked unethical. If the fight had been fair, one campaign would not have control of the party before the voters had decided which one they wanted to lead. This was not a criminal act, but as I saw it, it compromised the party’s integrity."


"I told Bernie I had found Hillary’s Joint Fundraising Agreement. I explained that the cancer was that she had exerted this control of the party long before she became its nominee. Had I known this, I never would have accepted the interim chair position, but here we were with only weeks before the election."

"Bernie took this stoically. He did not yell or express outrage. Instead he asked me what I thought Hillary’s chances were. The polls were unanimous in her winning but what, he wanted to know, was my own assessment?

I had to be frank with him. I did not trust the polls, I said. I told him I had visited states around the country and I found a lack of enthusiasm for her everywhere. I was concerned about the Obama coalition and about millennials.

I urged Bernie to work as hard as he could to bring his supporters into the fold with Hillary, and to campaign with all the heart and hope he could muster. He might find some of her positions too centrist, and her coziness with the financial elites distasteful, but he knew and I knew that the alternative was a person who would put the very future of the country in peril. I knew he heard me. I knew he agreed with me, but I never in my life had felt so tiny and powerless as I did making that call."


Boy did that backfire for Democrats.
Anonymous
Democrats are as unethical as Republicans. They are just less upfront about it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Is anybody shocked by this? Not me.

The only stunning thing is that Brazile would put this in writing. I guess in an attempt to make herself look good.


She’s definitely playing an angle of some sort. It may be that she’s trying to get out ahead of an upcoming story or scandal.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is anybody shocked by this? Not me.

The only stunning thing is that Brazile would put this in writing. I guess in an attempt to make herself look good.


She’s definitely playing an angle of some sort. It may be that she’s trying to get out ahead of an upcoming story or scandal.


Maybe, she thinks this redeems her for giving debate questions to HRC. Kind of puts her in the same henhouse as DWS and HRC.
Anonymous
It is not surprising, but it is disgusting. This is why the ranks of the independents keep growing, which is harmful because both parties need a share of those reasonable people.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Democrats are as unethical as Republicans. They are just less upfront about it.

They're not even in the stadium of corruption. The Democrats are out front selling hot dogs. The Repubes own the stadium, the teams, all indoor vending, the blimp that floats over the stadium and they're putting the screws to the family business that makes the fireworks.
Anonymous
The Democrats are a lost cause until such time that they disown Hillary and excise the cancer that is the Clintons.
Anonymous
As a Bernie supporter, I feel forever burned by the big Democrat machine. Trumps presidency is exactly what the DNC and party deserve. There needs to be consequences for what DWS and HRC did, and Trump is it. Unlike the rest of the stupid chicken littles around here, I'm a pragmatist. I wanted Bernie, but you know what? I'll accept Trump. Things aren't so bad right now, it looks like the economy is finally starting to take off, and if I get a tax cut, great, I'll take it. He'll be in office one term and then he's gone. The country will survive, and we'll move on. But still I do take a lot of guilty pleasure in seeing how all the big party-boss Dems are still wrapped around their own axles over getting beat last year. It serves them right. They HAD a winning candidate, and they shafted him. You made your bed, DNC. Now sleep in it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Democrats are as unethical as Republicans. They are just less upfront about it.

They're not even in the stadium of corruption. The Democrats are out front selling hot dogs. The Repubes own the stadium, the teams, all indoor vending, the blimp that floats over the stadium and they're putting the screws to the family business that makes the fireworks.


You’re the reason Democrats figure they can continue to get away with their corruption. People like you are so easily duped.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:As a Bernie supporter, I feel forever burned by the big Democrat machine. Trumps presidency is exactly what the DNC and party deserve. There needs to be consequences for what DWS and HRC did, and Trump is it. Unlike the rest of the stupid chicken littles around here, I'm a pragmatist. I wanted Bernie, but you know what? I'll accept Trump. Things aren't so bad right now, it looks like the economy is finally starting to take off, and if I get a tax cut, great, I'll take it. He'll be in office one term and then he's gone. The country will survive, and we'll move on. But still I do take a lot of guilty pleasure in seeing how all the big party-boss Dems are still wrapped around their own axles over getting beat last year. It serves them right. They HAD a winning candidate, and they shafted him. You made your bed, DNC. Now sleep in it.


I agree with you, but I don’t think the party insiders really care too much about losing, for the most part. They’re satisfied as long as the gravy train keeps rolling.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a Bernie supporter, I feel forever burned by the big Democrat machine. Trumps presidency is exactly what the DNC and party deserve. There needs to be consequences for what DWS and HRC did, and Trump is it. Unlike the rest of the stupid chicken littles around here, I'm a pragmatist. I wanted Bernie, but you know what? I'll accept Trump. Things aren't so bad right now, it looks like the economy is finally starting to take off, and if I get a tax cut, great, I'll take it. He'll be in office one term and then he's gone. The country will survive, and we'll move on. But still I do take a lot of guilty pleasure in seeing how all the big party-boss Dems are still wrapped around their own axles over getting beat last year. It serves them right. They HAD a winning candidate, and they shafted him. You made your bed, DNC. Now sleep in it.


I agree with you, but I don’t think the party insiders really care too much about losing, for the most part. They’re satisfied as long as the gravy train keeps rolling.



Sadly, you're probably right. And although I can't prove it, based on some of the things I've read here over the years, I suspect many republicans might feel the same way about their party, too. I really began to suspect this back during the 2012 primary season. I still remember a lot of people not really being all that happy with Romney, but thinking the machine was in control, and there was nothing they could do. Then four years later, it was the Democrats turn to have the same exact thing happen to them. With the same result. This is not a coincidence.
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