PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them

[Anonymous]

Yes, pitch in on the effort to abolish standards and testing so that we can go back to PRETENDING and LYING that everything is just fine with our educational system.

"'Murka: We're Number One In The World!" just like some North Korean propaganda...

Lovely.

I think I'm done here. Clearly, our Common Core supporter has totally lost it. Sad that we cannot have a discussion about this. I, for one, have given blood, sweat, and tears to children at the bottom of the gap. It is really sad that people think pouring money into Common Core and Pearson is going to help. All that money could have been put to much better use. My suggestion would be to start with some type of program to help poor parents with new babies become educated about how to help their kids prior to Head Start, etc. Instead, we are lining the pockets of the publishers and consortiums.

[Anonymous]

^ forgot "lower the bar to the least common denominator and water down the curriculum by calling everything 'developmentally inappropriate' " so that all kids 'appear' to be doing fine....

Sure, just lower expectations, that'll solve everything, right? I mean, who really needs to know how to read anyways, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, pitch in on the effort to abolish standards and testing so that we can go back to PRETENDING and LYING that everything is just fine with our educational system.

"'Murka: We're Number One In The World!" just like some North Korean propaganda...

Lovely.

I think I'm done here. Clearly, our Common Core supporter has totally lost it. Sad that we cannot have a discussion about this. I, for one, have given blood, sweat, and tears to children at the bottom of the gap. It is really sad that people think pouring money into Common Core and Pearson is going to help. All that money could have been put to much better use. My suggestion would be to start with some type of program to help poor parents with new babies become educated about how to help their kids prior to Head Start, etc. Instead, we are lining the pockets of the publishers and consortiums.

Again, nothing but yet another deflection and the same stale old things that have already been addressed many times over. The issues of low-income parenting is a totally separate and different one that was never and has never been tied programmatically to academic standards or testing let alone funding for those, whether Common Core or EVER prior to that.

You talk about "ALL THAT MONEY" yet it was already shown that, averaged out per school district, "ALL THAT MONEY" would only amount to a one-time infusion of around $6,000 dollars per district. Sorry, but you are quite thoroughly delusional if you even remotely think that would have been enough money to do anything meaningful with Head Start or programs for poor parents.

Yes, you are done here, because you are out of material, you clearly are not thinking any of this stuff through, and your arguments go nowhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, pitch in on the effort to abolish standards and testing so that we can go back to PRETENDING and LYING that everything is just fine with our educational system.

"'Murka: We're Number One In The World!" just like some North Korean propaganda...

Lovely.

I think I'm done here. Clearly, our Common Core supporter has totally lost it. Sad that we cannot have a discussion about this. I, for one, have given blood, sweat, and tears to children at the bottom of the gap. It is really sad that people think pouring money into Common Core and Pearson is going to help. All that money could have been put to much better use. My suggestion would be to start with some type of program to help poor parents with new babies become educated about how to help their kids prior to Head Start, etc. Instead, we are lining the pockets of the publishers and consortiums.

Again, nothing but yet another deflection and the same stale old things that have already been addressed many times over. The issues of low-income parenting is a totally separate and different one that was never and has never been tied programmatically to academic standards or testing let alone funding for those, whether Common Core or EVER prior to that.

You talk about "ALL THAT MONEY" yet it was already shown that, averaged out per school district, "ALL THAT MONEY" would only amount to a one-time infusion of around $6,000 dollars per district. Sorry, but you are quite thoroughly delusional if you even remotely think that would have been enough money to do anything meaningful with Head Start or programs for poor parents.

Yes, you are done here, because you are out of material, you clearly are not thinking any of this stuff through, and your arguments go nowhere.

No problem. There are many more Common Core haters here, and we'll go head to head with you, now until the "standards" are gone.

[Anonymous]

More than you, because at least I'm in favor of assessing it, shining a light on it, getting the data out there, and trying to figure out and fix what's wrong with our curriculum to make the appropriate changes - whereas you're just out there saying "don't rock the boat, everything's fine, we'll be just great if we just turn that spotlight off and go back to pretending."

We're not pretending anything. The light has been shining on the achievement gap for years and years (14 years of NCLB testing now).

Now, the part about "fix what's wrong with our curriculum" is not going to be solved by the CC standards because, as you say, they are not a curriculum. Are the states going to get together and make a "common curriculum" that works? Or is it just going to remain at the standards and testing level as far as state consortiums go? Because you are right---it is the curricular level that makes all the difference. Yet the standards are not able to successfully drive that level. That has to be left to the classroom teacher for the most part and you'd better hope you can attract the best ones you can.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where is this supposed evidence?

Where is your documentation of the criteria used to assess Common Core standards to determine that they are developmentally inappropriate? Where is your data to support your made-up claims about Common Core only being appropriate for the "top 30%?"

WHERE IS THE DATA? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? PROVIDE CITATIONS!

It's all here. Massive failure rates predicted for all students, but especially those of color or with any disability.

Straight from Smarter Balanced.

http://www.smarterbalanced.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Disaggregated-FieldTestDataFINAL.pdf

Achievement gaps are not new, nor are they caused by or the fault of testing, nor are they caused by or the fault of Common Core.

Yet apparently you think that abolishing testing and standards will somehow change that.

Who does well on these tests? Typically white girls and Asian students. Then white boys, when you get to older grades in math.

These tests are biased toward a certain type of student.

Common Core is not going to be a fix for that.

[Anonymous]

The issues of low-income parenting is a totally separate and different one that was never and has never been tied programmatically to academic standards or testing let alone funding for those, whether Common Core or EVER prior to that.

Sad, but the teacher who voiced this concern is right. Common sense dictates that this is at the heart of the well being and learning potential of students.

[Anonymous]

You talk about "ALL THAT MONEY" yet it was already shown that, averaged out per school district, "ALL THAT MONEY" would only amount to a one-time infusion of around $6,000 dollars per district

You are not counting how much the districts spend on the testing. It's way, way more---millions per district in many cases. The problem is that the feds don't reimburse the districts for those costs. They only gave them $6,000. Pathetic.

[Anonymous]

The issues of low-income parenting is a totally separate and different one that was never and has never been tied programmatically to academic standards or testing let alone funding for those, whether Common Core or EVER prior to that.

Income level has been tied to test scores in a pretty direct way.

[Anonymous]

The problem with the Common Core standards is that it ignores the fact that you help a child learn by starting with what they DO know and work up. The Common Core standards were written from the top down. That is a foundational fact in education: you go from the known to the unknown. Unfortunately, the people who wrote the standards were not experienced in teaching young children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where is this supposed evidence?

Where is your documentation of the criteria used to assess Common Core standards to determine that they are developmentally inappropriate? Where is your data to support your made-up claims about Common Core only being appropriate for the "top 30%?"

WHERE IS THE DATA? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? PROVIDE CITATIONS!

It's all here. Massive failure rates predicted for all students, but especially those of color or with any disability.

Straight from Smarter Balanced.

http://www.smarterbalanced.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Disaggregated-FieldTestDataFINAL.pdf

Achievement gaps are not new, nor are they caused by or the fault of testing, nor are they caused by or the fault of Common Core.

Yet apparently you think that abolishing testing and standards will somehow change that.

Who does well on these tests? Typically white girls and Asian students. Then white boys, when you get to older grades in math.

These tests are biased toward a certain type of student.

Common Core is not going to be a fix for that.

LOL! Yeah, the world is rigged in favor of white girls and asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem with the Common Core standards is that it ignores the fact that you help a child learn by starting with what they DO know and work up. The Common Core standards were written from the top down. That is a foundational fact in education: you go from the known to the unknown. Unfortunately, the people who wrote the standards were not experienced in teaching young children.

You clearly haven't actually READ the standards. They build step by step, with foundational building blocks at each step.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You talk about "ALL THAT MONEY" yet it was already shown that, averaged out per school district, "ALL THAT MONEY" would only amount to a one-time infusion of around $6,000 dollars per district

You are not counting how much the districts spend on the testing. It's way, way more---millions per district in many cases. The problem is that the feds don't reimburse the districts for those costs. They only gave them $6,000. Pathetic.

Ah, just make up facts to suit your narrative... You really are delusional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, pitch in on the effort to abolish standards and testing so that we can go back to PRETENDING and LYING that everything is just fine with our educational system.

"'Murka: We're Number One In The World!" just like some North Korean propaganda...

Lovely.

I think I'm done here. Clearly, our Common Core supporter has totally lost it. Sad that we cannot have a discussion about this. I, for one, have given blood, sweat, and tears to children at the bottom of the gap. It is really sad that people think pouring money into Common Core and Pearson is going to help. All that money could have been put to much better use. My suggestion would be to start with some type of program to help poor parents with new babies become educated about how to help their kids prior to Head Start, etc. Instead, we are lining the pockets of the publishers and consortiums.

Again, nothing but yet another deflection and the same stale old things that have already been addressed many times over. The issues of low-income parenting is a totally separate and different one that was never and has never been tied programmatically to academic standards or testing let alone funding for those, whether Common Core or EVER prior to that.

You talk about "ALL THAT MONEY" yet it was already shown that, averaged out per school district, "ALL THAT MONEY" would only amount to a one-time infusion of around $6,000 dollars per district. Sorry, but you are quite thoroughly delusional if you even remotely think that would have been enough money to do anything meaningful with Head Start or programs for poor parents.

Yes, you are done here, because you are out of material, you clearly are not thinking any of this stuff through, and your arguments go nowhere.

No problem. There are many more Common Core haters here, and we'll go head to head with you, now until the "standards" are gone.

Oh, good, then maybe one of them can actually try and post some actual criteria and data that shows how specific standards are "developmentally inappropriate" since nobody else has been able to manage that thus far.

[Anonymous]

You clearly haven't actually READ the standards. They build step by step, with foundational building blocks at each step.

No. Actually, they were written from the top down. They started with the standards they wanted for college students and worked backwards. That is pretty well documented in the literature.