FCPS Boundary Review Updates

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Compare the AP exam participation rates and exam results tables for FCHS and Mclean.

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:16::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:090,0

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:16::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:030,0

Wealthier school isn't what makes it better for one, the academic rigor and results is the clincher.

I’m not sure you’re making the point that you think you are. Test scores are nearly impossible to de-couple from wealth and SES. We’ve already established that McLean is a much wealthier school. Of course there will be differences. Suggesting that those differences are mainly attributable to school quality or academic rigor is ridiculous.

DP. I did notice that 44% of the Hispanic juniors and seniors at McLean took and passed an AP exam in 2022-23 compared to 13% at Falls Church.

Before you claim the Hispanic kids at McLean are the children of ambassadors and executives, overall the Hispanic population at McLean is largely centered along the low-income stretch of Route 29 that feeds to Timber Lane, along with some other areas that feed into Westgate. These are not wealthy areas.

If I were in FCPS, I'd at least be asking what seems to be working better at McLean to get Hispanic kids enrolled in more challenging courses and passing the year-end exams before I redistricted the McLean piece of Timber Lane to other schools. Dr. Reid has latched onto the idea that getting rid of attendance islands is a top priority, but perhaps she's just trying to salvage an unpopular boundary study by picking some low-hanging fruit.

It's probably the families. Generally speaking, there are some instances of communities that do outperform despite low SES and it boils down to a family that values education.

[Anonymous]

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Moving to McLean would increase values no one wants a tier 2 school over tier 1 McLean. Maybe just to finish the school for the kids already in the Marshall pyramid.

Believe it our not, some people actually want diversity in their school. Don't worry, our property values are doing just fine.

DP. I don’t believe it. Shrevewood families have complained for years about poor kids outside the Beltway off Gallows you think should be going to Stenwood. You complain about the cluster model where your LLIV kids are put in classes with poorer kids. You complain about the FARMS kids at Timber Lane who may get reassigned to Shrevewood and how they’re going to turn Shrevewood into a Title I school.

You also complain about every principal at your school, whether it’s Eugene, DeSmyter, or now Vandawalker.

I don’t know why your community is so agitated all the time, but it’s certainly not because you put a premium on diversity.

You sure have a deep understanding of the school, especially for someone who writes as if they’re not part of the community.

[Anonymous]

Interesting read. In October there will be meetings at each high school.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/VAEDUFCPS/bulletins/3e23b86?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR4oUcuKq8eX1D9JXlcSXJK-Z8zLNyDPd7yU31rwHjI5-gKr2Izm6JMF4RSrQw_aem_jJlz-gSyee6fKce9JwFk8Q

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting read. In October there will be meetings at each high school.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/VAEDUFCPS/bulletins/3e23b86?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR4oUcuKq8eX1D9JXlcSXJK-Z8zLNyDPd7yU31rwHjI5-gKr2Izm6JMF4RSrQw_aem_jJlz-gSyee6fKce9JwFk8Q

Dunne has gone out on a limb a few times and said things about boundary revisions that they clearly now have no intention of operationalizing, but the level of communication is commendable. Our School Board member is a slacker and doesn't even try to communicate, except to repeat canned messages drafted by Reid's office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting read. In October there will be meetings at each high school.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/VAEDUFCPS/bulletins/3e23b86?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR4oUcuKq8eX1D9JXlcSXJK-Z8zLNyDPd7yU31rwHjI5-gKr2Izm6JMF4RSrQw_aem_jJlz-gSyee6fKce9JwFk8Q

Those were supposed to occur before any of theseproposals were released, based on 8130.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Compare the AP exam participation rates and exam results tables for FCHS and Mclean.

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:16::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:090,0

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:16::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:030,0

Wealthier school isn't what makes it better for one, the academic rigor and results is the clincher.

I’m not sure you’re making the point that you think you are. Test scores are nearly impossible to de-couple from wealth and SES. We’ve already established that McLean is a much wealthier school. Of course there will be differences. Suggesting that those differences are mainly attributable to school quality or academic rigor is ridiculous.

DP. I did notice that 44% of the Hispanic juniors and seniors at McLean took and passed an AP exam in 2022-23 compared to 13% at Falls Church.

Before you claim the Hispanic kids at McLean are the children of ambassadors and executives, overall the Hispanic population at McLean is largely centered along the low-income stretch of Route 29 that feeds to Timber Lane, along with some other areas that feed into Westgate. These are not wealthy areas.

If I were in FCPS, I'd at least be asking what seems to be working better at McLean to get Hispanic kids enrolled in more challenging courses and passing the year-end exams before I redistricted the McLean piece of Timber Lane to other schools. Dr. Reid has latched onto the idea that getting rid of attendance islands is a top priority, but perhaps she's just trying to salvage an unpopular boundary study by picking some low-hanging fruit.

PP. All white communities are not the same. All Black communities are not the same. All Asian communties are not the same. All Hispanic communities are not the same.

I'm guessing that there are fewer undocumented--non English speaking Hispanics in McLean. I may be wrong. That makes a very big difference. Speaking for my own community--no where near McLean--I know Hispanic people who do not speak Spanish.

I suspect there are fewer undocumented Hispanics at McLean High School. They are less likely to speak English fluently as they have not been here as long.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Compare the AP exam participation rates and exam results tables for FCHS and Mclean.

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:16::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:090,0

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:16::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:030,0

Wealthier school isn't what makes it better for one, the academic rigor and results is the clincher.

I’m not sure you’re making the point that you think you are. Test scores are nearly impossible to de-couple from wealth and SES. We’ve already established that McLean is a much wealthier school. Of course there will be differences. Suggesting that those differences are mainly attributable to school quality or academic rigor is ridiculous.

DP. I did notice that 44% of the Hispanic juniors and seniors at McLean took and passed an AP exam in 2022-23 compared to 13% at Falls Church.

Before you claim the Hispanic kids at McLean are the children of ambassadors and executives, overall the Hispanic population at McLean is largely centered along the low-income stretch of Route 29 that feeds to Timber Lane, along with some other areas that feed into Westgate. These are not wealthy areas.

If I were in FCPS, I'd at least be asking what seems to be working better at McLean to get Hispanic kids enrolled in more challenging courses and passing the year-end exams before I redistricted the McLean piece of Timber Lane to other schools. Dr. Reid has latched onto the idea that getting rid of attendance islands is a top priority, but perhaps she's just trying to salvage an unpopular boundary study by picking some low-hanging fruit.

PP. All white communities are not the same. All Black communities are not the same. All Asian communties are not the same. All Hispanic communities are not the same.

I'm guessing that there are fewer undocumented--non English speaking Hispanics in McLean. I may be wrong. That makes a very big difference. Speaking for my own community--no where near McLean--I know Hispanic people who do not speak Spanish.

I suspect there are fewer undocumented Hispanics at McLean High School. They are less likely to speak English fluently as they have not been here as long.

(cont.) Just checked demographics at McLean. Almost 15% Hispanic. Less than 6% English language learner. And, some of the English learners are likely speakers of a language other than Spanish--Arabic, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting read. In October there will be meetings at each high school.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/VAEDUFCPS/bulletins/3e23b86?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR4oUcuKq8eX1D9JXlcSXJK-Z8zLNyDPd7yU31rwHjI5-gKr2Izm6JMF4RSrQw_aem_jJlz-gSyee6fKce9JwFk8Q

Those were supposed to occur before any of theseproposals were released, based on 8130.

In his newsletter he said this round was supposed to have meetings at each pyramid but the timeline and where was cut. I bet they push out a lot of new changes and since these initial drafts aren’t what’s getting voted on they don’t care they didn’t meet in all affected pyramids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Compare the AP exam participation rates and exam results tables for FCHS and Mclean.

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:16::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:090,0

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:16::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:030,0

Wealthier school isn't what makes it better for one, the academic rigor and results is the clincher.

I’m not sure you’re making the point that you think you are. Test scores are nearly impossible to de-couple from wealth and SES. We’ve already established that McLean is a much wealthier school. Of course there will be differences. Suggesting that those differences are mainly attributable to school quality or academic rigor is ridiculous.

DP. I did notice that 44% of the Hispanic juniors and seniors at McLean took and passed an AP exam in 2022-23 compared to 13% at Falls Church.

Before you claim the Hispanic kids at McLean are the children of ambassadors and executives, overall the Hispanic population at McLean is largely centered along the low-income stretch of Route 29 that feeds to Timber Lane, along with some other areas that feed into Westgate. These are not wealthy areas.

If I were in FCPS, I'd at least be asking what seems to be working better at McLean to get Hispanic kids enrolled in more challenging courses and passing the year-end exams before I redistricted the McLean piece of Timber Lane to other schools. Dr. Reid has latched onto the idea that getting rid of attendance islands is a top priority, but perhaps she's just trying to salvage an unpopular boundary study by picking some low-hanging fruit.

PP. All white communities are not the same. All Black communities are not the same. All Asian communties are not the same. All Hispanic communities are not the same.

I'm guessing that there are fewer undocumented--non English speaking Hispanics in McLean. I may be wrong. That makes a very big difference. Speaking for my own community--no where near McLean--I know Hispanic people who do not speak Spanish.

I suspect there are fewer undocumented Hispanics at McLean High School. They are less likely to speak English fluently as they have not been here as long.

These kids mostly live in Falls Church, not McLean, and they attend an ES that is 42% ELL. Yet by the time they're at McLean HS it appears they are less likely to still be classified as ELL, and they are doing fairly well when it comes to AP participation/pass rates. That seems like a positive trajectory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting read. In October there will be meetings at each high school.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/VAEDUFCPS/bulletins/3e23b86?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR4oUcuKq8eX1D9JXlcSXJK-Z8zLNyDPd7yU31rwHjI5-gKr2Izm6JMF4RSrQw_aem_jJlz-gSyee6fKce9JwFk8Q

Those were supposed to occur before any of theseproposals were released, based on 8130.

In his newsletter he said this round was supposed to have meetings at each pyramid but the timeline and where was cut. I bet they push out a lot of new changes and since these initial drafts aren’t what’s getting voted on they don’t care they didn’t meet in all affected pyramids

The bottom line is that they are well behind schedule and didn't get to where they planned to be by May/June. Now they are wasting everyone's time by publishing a bunch of maps that they admit are flawed and full of holes, while reserving the right to come back with something totally different in October.

Whenever it seems Michelle Reid and her staff can't be more incompetent, she comes up with something new to prove otherwise. And the School Board never does anything to hold her feet to the fire, because they are just as bumbling as she is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Poplar Heights and Donna Lee Gardens should be lobbying to move to Shrevewood in place of the apartments off Hollywood Rd. This would eliminate the risk of Shrevewood becoming an over capacity Title I school. They’d also be guaranteed their consolation pyramid (Kilmer/Marshall) and they’d physically share a border with the McLean HS boundary should the Shrevewood split feeder proposal stick.

Shrevewood parents crap all over their current poor kids (off Route 29 and outside the Beltway) so they probably aren't going to be very nice to the kids west of Hollywood Road, either. They want so bad to be Haycock South and instead the school is turning into Timber Lane West.

Shrevewood parents have given up on that community and school. Most families have taken their UMC kids to Lemon Road and it seems like most (all) would be happy to be redistricted to MHS. Pathetic little community of virtue signalers.

Aw, I'm sorry that you lost out on the house you put an offer on in Falls Hill, sweetie! Better luck next time!

The vibe at Poplar Heights pool with the proposed changes to Shrevewood and Timber Lane hanging over the community is going to be TENSE this summer.

It will be not be tense. Your wording “hanging over the community” is dramatic. There are FCC and St James families at the pool as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Compare the AP exam participation rates and exam results tables for FCHS and Mclean.

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:16::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:090,0

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:16::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:030,0

Wealthier school isn't what makes it better for one, the academic rigor and results is the clincher.

I’m not sure you’re making the point that you think you are. Test scores are nearly impossible to de-couple from wealth and SES. We’ve already established that McLean is a much wealthier school. Of course there will be differences. Suggesting that those differences are mainly attributable to school quality or academic rigor is ridiculous.

DP. I did notice that 44% of the Hispanic juniors and seniors at McLean took and passed an AP exam in 2022-23 compared to 13% at Falls Church.

Before you claim the Hispanic kids at McLean are the children of ambassadors and executives, overall the Hispanic population at McLean is largely centered along the low-income stretch of Route 29 that feeds to Timber Lane, along with some other areas that feed into Westgate. These are not wealthy areas.

If I were in FCPS, I'd at least be asking what seems to be working better at McLean to get Hispanic kids enrolled in more challenging courses and passing the year-end exams before I redistricted the McLean piece of Timber Lane to other schools. Dr. Reid has latched onto the idea that getting rid of attendance islands is a top priority, but perhaps she's just trying to salvage an unpopular boundary study by picking some low-hanging fruit.

PP. All white communities are not the same. All Black communities are not the same. All Asian communties are not the same. All Hispanic communities are not the same.

I'm guessing that there are fewer undocumented--non English speaking Hispanics in McLean. I may be wrong. That makes a very big difference. Speaking for my own community--no where near McLean--I know Hispanic people who do not speak Spanish.

I suspect there are fewer undocumented Hispanics at McLean High School. They are less likely to speak English fluently as they have not been here as long.

These kids mostly live in Falls Church, not McLean, and they attend an ES that is 42% ELL. Yet by the time they're at McLean HS it appears they are less likely to still be classified as ELL, and they are doing fairly well when it comes to AP participation/pass rates. That seems like a positive trajectory.

McLean draws from a lot of communities that overlap with Marshall HS. Marshall has fairly similar participation (better) and performance (not quite as strong) for IB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Compare the AP exam participation rates and exam results tables for FCHS and Mclean.

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:16::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:090,0

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:16::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:030,0

Wealthier school isn't what makes it better for one, the academic rigor and results is the clincher.

I’m not sure you’re making the point that you think you are. Test scores are nearly impossible to de-couple from wealth and SES. We’ve already established that McLean is a much wealthier school. Of course there will be differences. Suggesting that those differences are mainly attributable to school quality or academic rigor is ridiculous.

DP. I did notice that 44% of the Hispanic juniors and seniors at McLean took and passed an AP exam in 2022-23 compared to 13% at Falls Church.

Before you claim the Hispanic kids at McLean are the children of ambassadors and executives, overall the Hispanic population at McLean is largely centered along the low-income stretch of Route 29 that feeds to Timber Lane, along with some other areas that feed into Westgate. These are not wealthy areas.

If I were in FCPS, I'd at least be asking what seems to be working better at McLean to get Hispanic kids enrolled in more challenging courses and passing the year-end exams before I redistricted the McLean piece of Timber Lane to other schools. Dr. Reid has latched onto the idea that getting rid of attendance islands is a top priority, but perhaps she's just trying to salvage an unpopular boundary study by picking some low-hanging fruit.

It's probably the families. Generally speaking, there are some instances of communities that do outperform despite low SES and it boils down to a family that values education.

Agreed. There’s a high degree of self-selection.

Lower-income immigrant and URM families who value education highly and view it as the key to advancement, tend to deliberately select housing (even if it’s a tiny apartment) in pyramids with the highest test scores. IME, these families place an even greater premium on attending “the right schools” than many non-immigrant and/or non-URM families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Moving to McLean would increase values no one wants a tier 2 school over tier 1 McLean. Maybe just to finish the school for the kids already in the Marshall pyramid.

Believe it our not, some people actually want diversity in their school. Don't worry, our property values are doing just fine.

DP. I don’t believe it. Shrevewood families have complained for years about poor kids outside the Beltway off Gallows you think should be going to Stenwood. You complain about the cluster model where your LLIV kids are put in classes with poorer kids. You complain about the FARMS kids at Timber Lane who may get reassigned to Shrevewood and how they’re going to turn Shrevewood into a Title I school.

You also complain about every principal at your school, whether it’s Eugene, DeSmyter, or now Vandawalker.

I don’t know why your community is so agitated all the time, but it’s certainly not because you put a premium on diversity.

Everyone loved DeSmyter until he changed to the cluster model. The parents whose children were principal placed into the LLIV class then revolted because their children couldn't "escape" to Lemon Rd. My kids are at Shrevewood, we liked DeSmyter and were sorry to see him go. The kids all loved him, he was really fun and engaged with the kids. Katie does not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Poplar Heights and Donna Lee Gardens should be lobbying to move to Shrevewood in place of the apartments off Hollywood Rd. This would eliminate the risk of Shrevewood becoming an over capacity Title I school. They’d also be guaranteed their consolation pyramid (Kilmer/Marshall) and they’d physically share a border with the McLean HS boundary should the Shrevewood split feeder proposal stick.

Shrevewood parents crap all over their current poor kids (off Route 29 and outside the Beltway) so they probably aren't going to be very nice to the kids west of Hollywood Road, either. They want so bad to be Haycock South and instead the school is turning into Timber Lane West.

Shrevewood parents have given up on that community and school. Most families have taken their UMC kids to Lemon Road and it seems like most (all) would be happy to be redistricted to MHS. Pathetic little community of virtue signalers.

Aw, I'm sorry that you lost out on the house you put an offer on in Falls Hill, sweetie! Better luck next time!

The vibe at Poplar Heights pool with the proposed changes to Shrevewood and Timber Lane hanging over the community is going to be TENSE this summer.

The jealousy is RAGING. The pool is already open, no tension whatsoever.