ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why RAE keeps being brought up on a thread about BY and SY?

Why?

Because BY parents argue SY is stupid and RAE doesn’t exist…their kid is just talented and the August/ Dec birthdays are not.

SY parents arguing their kid struggles against older players and would be great to have their kid not be the youngest finally.

Irrelevant to the actual discussion..just more of parents don’t want to believe their kid was given an advantage or vice versa - easier to believe your kid has some sort of natural talent.

Your logic doesn't make sense.

Being in 7th or 8th grade has nothing to do with RAE.

Under both BY and the proposed SY there's a 1 year eligibility window.

With BY, RAE disadvantages Dec birthdays the most

With SY, RAE disadvantages July birthdays the most

Either way the same amount of players are disadvantaged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why RAE keeps being brought up on a thread about BY and SY?

Why?

Because BY parents are scrambling for any way possible to keep the current system in place. They DO NOT wan't to compete against kids in the same grade, they enjoy watching their 8th graders play with 7th graders and have no interest competing against other 8th graders. Its simultaneously panic around RAE going away and threads about how RAE doesn't matter so we should just leave the system in place we have now. Its pretty wild, don't try to make sense of any of it.

RAE does not go away by switching from BY to SY.

You understand this, correct?

Yawn....and around and around we go. So why switch? Is that where we going again? Because of trapped kids. Then you say trapped kids isn't a thing and they should just try harder. Then I say, then you say, then I say.

We get it. You like your advantage. You want to keep your advantage. You don't want your kid to compete against their peers. You'd rather they play with the kids at the elementary school across the street in the small yard. WE GET IT. You don't want the recruiters to see your kid play against other high school juniors. You hope they won't notice your kid is just so-so by playing with freshmen.

We're sorry for your loss, what do you want us to say? You'll have to compete in 2026, get over it.

Excellent....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why RAE keeps being brought up on a thread about BY and SY?

Why?

Because BY parents are scrambling for any way possible to keep the current system in place. They DO NOT wan't to compete against kids in the same grade, they enjoy watching their 8th graders play with 7th graders and have no interest competing against other 8th graders. Its simultaneously panic around RAE going away and threads about how RAE doesn't matter so we should just leave the system in place we have now. Its pretty wild, don't try to make sense of any of it.

RAE does not go away by switching from BY to SY.

You understand this, correct?

Yawn....and around and around we go. So why switch? Is that where we going again? Because of trapped kids. Then you say trapped kids isn't a thing and they should just try harder. Then I say, then you say, then I say.

We get it. You like your advantage. You want to keep your advantage. You don't want your kid to compete against their peers. You'd rather they play with the kids at the elementary school across the street in the small yard. WE GET IT. You don't want the recruiters to see your kid play against other high school juniors. You hope they won't notice your kid is just so-so by playing with freshmen.

We're sorry for your loss, what do you want us to say? You'll have to compete in 2026, get over it.

You are trying your absolute best to associate RAE as a reason for switching from BY to SY.

It's not a reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why RAE keeps being brought up on a thread about BY and SY?

Why?

Because BY parents are scrambling for any way possible to keep the current system in place. They DO NOT wan't to compete against kids in the same grade, they enjoy watching their 8th graders play with 7th graders and have no interest competing against other 8th graders. Its simultaneously panic around RAE going away and threads about how RAE doesn't matter so we should just leave the system in place we have now. Its pretty wild, don't try to make sense of any of it.

RAE does not go away by switching from BY to SY.

You understand this, correct?

Yawn....and around and around we go. So why switch? Is that where we going again? Because of trapped kids. Then you say trapped kids isn't a thing and they should just try harder. Then I say, then you say, then I say.

We get it. You like your advantage. You want to keep your advantage. You don't want your kid to compete against their peers. You'd rather they play with the kids at the elementary school across the street in the small yard. WE GET IT. You don't want the recruiters to see your kid play against other high school juniors. You hope they won't notice your kid is just so-so by playing with freshmen.

We're sorry for your loss, what do you want us to say? You'll have to compete in 2026, get over it.

You are trying your absolute best to associate RAE as a reason for switching from BY to SY.

It's not a reason.

Double excellent....

See I can comment about my posts as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why RAE keeps being brought up on a thread about BY and SY?

Why?

Because BY parents are scrambling for any way possible to keep the current system in place. They DO NOT wan't to compete against kids in the same grade, they enjoy watching their 8th graders play with 7th graders and have no interest competing against other 8th graders. Its simultaneously panic around RAE going away and threads about how RAE doesn't matter so we should just leave the system in place we have now. Its pretty wild, don't try to make sense of any of it.

RAE does not go away by switching from BY to SY.

You understand this, correct?

PP clearly understands what they are saying but for some reason you seem lost.

Also there is no proposal to replace BY with SY as a mandate.

But in the future, youth soccer is expected to have BY and SY at the higher levels of travel soccer. RAE could be reduced in such a scenario.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why RAE keeps being brought up on a thread about BY and SY?

Why?

Because BY parents argue SY is stupid and RAE doesn’t exist…their kid is just talented and the August/ Dec birthdays are not.

SY parents arguing their kid struggles against older players and would be great to have their kid not be the youngest finally.

Irrelevant to the actual discussion..just more of parents don’t want to believe their kid was given an advantage or vice versa - easier to believe your kid has some sort of natural talent.

Your logic doesn't make sense.

Being in 7th or 8th grade has nothing to do with RAE.

Under both BY and the proposed SY there's a 1 year eligibility window.

With BY, RAE disadvantages Dec birthdays the most

With SY, RAE disadvantages July birthdays the most

Either way the same amount of players are disadvantaged.

I never mentioned any of that or said otherwise. Yes, RAE will exist in either scenario.

The post was responding to why so much discussion about RAE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why RAE keeps being brought up on a thread about BY and SY?

Why?

Because BY parents are scrambling for any way possible to keep the current system in place. They DO NOT wan't to compete against kids in the same grade, they enjoy watching their 8th graders play with 7th graders and have no interest competing against other 8th graders. Its simultaneously panic around RAE going away and threads about how RAE doesn't matter so we should just leave the system in place we have now. Its pretty wild, don't try to make sense of any of it.

RAE does not go away by switching from BY to SY.

You understand this, correct?

Yawn....and around and around we go. So why switch? Is that where we going again? Because of trapped kids. Then you say trapped kids isn't a thing and they should just try harder. Then I say, then you say, then I say.

We get it. You like your advantage. You want to keep your advantage. You don't want your kid to compete against their peers. You'd rather they play with the kids at the elementary school across the street in the small yard. WE GET IT. You don't want the recruiters to see your kid play against other high school juniors. You hope they won't notice your kid is just so-so by playing with freshmen.

We're sorry for your loss, what do you want us to say? You'll have to compete in 2026, get over it.

+1

[Anonymous]

Is anyone actually arguing for BY from a “best for the system” perspective? For a reason other than change management (lazy) or international equivalency (irrelevant to 99.9999% of people on this thread)? I get that the currently RAE advantaged group wants to keep their advantage, and the currently RAE disadvantaged group wants to seize the advantage. The neutral reason for SY is eliminating trapped players. What is the neutral reason for BY?

[Anonymous]

All the cheerleaders using dubious "logic" to justify their position on BY or SY gets old. Just be honest. When you stretch the truth you lose credibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why RAE keeps being brought up on a thread about BY and SY?

Why?

Because BY parents argue SY is stupid and RAE doesn’t exist…their kid is just talented and the August/ Dec birthdays are not.

SY parents arguing their kid struggles against older players and would be great to have their kid not be the youngest finally.

Irrelevant to the actual discussion..just more of parents don’t want to believe their kid was given an advantage or vice versa - easier to believe your kid has some sort of natural talent.

Your logic doesn't make sense.

Being in 7th or 8th grade has nothing to do with RAE.

Under both BY and the proposed SY there's a 1 year eligibility window.

With BY, RAE disadvantages Dec birthdays the most

With SY, RAE disadvantages July birthdays the most

Either way the same amount of players are disadvantaged.

Thanks for the run down captain obvious. I love how the argument is that trapped kids should just work harder and get over it because RAE will exist no matter what. But the very thought that your 8th grader would play with other 8th graders has you shaking in your boots. So I'll offer you the same advice starting in 2026. Work harder. RAE goes away when your older, so don't worry about it.

Oh yeah, and playing with older kids is a great thing! You'll get development and extra pressure, you're gonna love it! Have fun!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why RAE keeps being brought up on a thread about BY and SY?

Why?

Because BY parents argue SY is stupid and RAE doesn’t exist…their kid is just talented and the August/ Dec birthdays are not.

SY parents arguing their kid struggles against older players and would be great to have their kid not be the youngest finally.

Irrelevant to the actual discussion..just more of parents don’t want to believe their kid was given an advantage or vice versa - easier to believe your kid has some sort of natural talent.

Your logic doesn't make sense.

Being in 7th or 8th grade has nothing to do with RAE.

Under both BY and the proposed SY there's a 1 year eligibility window.

With BY, RAE disadvantages Dec birthdays the most

With SY, RAE disadvantages July birthdays the most

Either way the same amount of players are disadvantaged.

RAE will not be the same in a switch to SY, it will be reduced in the short term.

Don't forget that the process of switching will have a leveling effect so technically going from BY to SY will reduce RAE for a range of players already started their soccer career. Just spit balling but say for kids around U12 - U15, spending the early parts of the years in BY and later in SY could very well balance the RAE effects to effectively eliminate it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does 7v7 help with RAE. If anything a more physically mature player has a bigger impact.

Seriously? Have you never watched or played soccer?

Make the field smaller and more technical players shine. For example, size and speed is not a big advantage in futsal.

That's the opposite that happens the larger kids with no skill plow through the smaller kids. I have a small fast kid she can't wait to get to 11v11. 9v9 on a larger field when she can find space to not get knocked over by someone who weighs twice as much as her she shines.

Two things can be true at once. Big kids have an advantage because rules aren't enforced. If its a futsal, technical environment big clumsy kids struggle. Like everything else we argue about here its nuanced and heavily dependent on whos on the field.

Not really..Larger field better for big/ fast players and athletes. Smaller better for soccer iq/ technical abilities. To say otherwise tells me you never played.

What advantage is size on a big field? Fast ofcourse, but big? Have you ever touched a soccer ball? Its Futbol, not football buddy. Get it right.

Generally, bigger kids are faster and stronger. Watch a U13 game..half the kids can’t even run the field. Basically whoever is the oldest, or went through puberty first becomes one the strongest players.

Yes, the game can still be physical in a smaller field…but to get around 2 players in a tight space…I can’t just kick it and run. So you need some technical ability. And in a tighter space, I have to learn to create space. I would prefer kids learn that before they rely on kick and run.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually arguing for BY from a “best for the system” perspective? For a reason other than change management (lazy) or international equivalency (irrelevant to 99.9999% of people on this thread)? I get that the currently RAE advantaged group wants to keep their advantage, and the currently RAE disadvantaged group wants to seize the advantage. The neutral reason for SY is eliminating trapped players. What is the neutral reason for BY?

BY separates age groups from school grade. This keeps youth soccer from slipping into the GY (graduation year) debate because the cutoff isn't associated with your grade in school in any way.

BY is easy to administer. Not confusing in any way.

BY doesn't have to address different school district start dates

BY is what currently exists. Changing to SY will mean updating all kinds of different club documents and marketing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually arguing for BY from a “best for the system” perspective? For a reason other than change management (lazy) or international equivalency (irrelevant to 99.9999% of people on this thread)? I get that the currently RAE advantaged group wants to keep their advantage, and the currently RAE disadvantaged group wants to seize the advantage. The neutral reason for SY is eliminating trapped players. What is the neutral reason for BY?

Nailed it. The whole SY argument in a nutshell. RAE exists either way. One system keeps a school grade together (an obviousl good thing), one system eliminates trapped players and all the jumping through hoops it causes, one system maybe helps our kids teams on the international stage (even if proven...who cares). There isn't really an argument here but BY crowd is trying their level best to create one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually arguing for BY from a “best for the system” perspective? For a reason other than change management (lazy) or international equivalency (irrelevant to 99.9999% of people on this thread)? I get that the currently RAE advantaged group wants to keep their advantage, and the currently RAE disadvantaged group wants to seize the advantage. The neutral reason for SY is eliminating trapped players. What is the neutral reason for BY?

The only other reason I've seen is that saying the group's birth year is "simpler" than saying their school year when identifying a team.