Kate's New Picture

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think this would be 5, maybe 10% as bad had they not released that photo. Especially if, as seems likely, they lied about when it was taken.

I agree with you, but they were already behaving as though they were panicked before the photo. I remember on one of the threads that got shut down, discussing how odd it was that they responded to that coma rumors (which had ZERO substantiation and was just making rounds on twitter, but was not taken seriously by any credible news organization) and then again when William pulled out of that memorial last minute. And also the "clarifications" they issued on both the announcement of Kate's and Charles's illnesses (that Kate did not have cancer, and that Charles had a cancer they didn't reveal BUT it wasn't prostate cancer). It was just out of character and seemed to reflect a lack of control or sense of overwhelm (which is not usually the vibe one get's from the BRF, even when really difficult things are happening, like the Queen's death).

The last time the BRF seemed this panicked was Diana's death, and in that case it was much more straightforward -- how should the family, and the Queen in particular, respond to the death of someone who married the heir and was mother to another heir but then divorced? It was unprecedented and they got criticism but also many people understood it was a confusing situation to navigate.

This is different because whatever it is they are struggling with, we don't know. But they are definitely struggling.

Right. I found the “Kate’s sick, see you the week after Easter” (or whatever the exact language was) was odd - sort of too vague and specific at the same time. But most people didn’t think much more of it. It’s was the KP/BP bungling of PR after that that started questions. Then the MD photo, which could not have been handled worse. Then full on fiasco ensues. And just continues until I don’t know when.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the whole thing will just ramp up again either when Kate is next seen or on Easter if she is not seen then (even though I know the palace said "after Easter" -- it's clear a lot of people didn't read it that closely and think she's going to appear at church or in some other public event.

If she doesn't, I think the intensity might even ramp up.

I also think when she is finally seen, her appearance is going to be picked apart like never before.

I also think Kensington Palace has done lasting damage to its relationship with some publications. The public will move on and stop caring, but reporters and editors will not.

Yes except I’m not so sure that the public will forgive and forget.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think this would be 5, maybe 10% as bad had they not released that photo. Especially if, as seems likely, they lied about when it was taken.

I agree with you, but they were already behaving as though they were panicked before the photo. I remember on one of the threads that got shut down, discussing how odd it was that they responded to that coma rumors (which had ZERO substantiation and was just making rounds on twitter, but was not taken seriously by any credible news organization) and then again when William pulled out of that memorial last minute. And also the "clarifications" they issued on both the announcement of Kate's and Charles's illnesses (that Kate did not have cancer, and that Charles had a cancer they didn't reveal BUT it wasn't prostate cancer). It was just out of character and seemed to reflect a lack of control or sense of overwhelm (which is not usually the vibe one get's from the BRF, even when really difficult things are happening, like the Queen's death).

The last time the BRF seemed this panicked was Diana's death, and in that case it was much more straightforward -- how should the family, and the Queen in particular, respond to the death of someone who married the heir and was mother to another heir but then divorced? It was unprecedented and they got criticism but also many people understood it was a confusing situation to navigate.

This is different because whatever it is they are struggling with, we don't know. But they are definitely struggling.

Right. I found the “Kate’s sick, see you the week after Easter” (or whatever the exact language was) was odd - sort of too vague and specific at the same time. But most people didn’t think much more of it. It’s was the KP/BP bungling of PR after that that started questions. Then the MD photo, which could not have been handled worse. Then full on fiasco ensues. And just continues until I don’t know when.

I think they’re (widely) returning to the “never complain never explain” philosophy so we will get an update at Easter and they’ll go back to normal without commentary. We probably won’t ever get a satisfactory answer for all the weird things that happened. I won’t believe the line about Kate doing the photoshop unless one of her kids writes a tell-all to corroborate the story, and by that time I’ll probably be dead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this would be 5, maybe 10% as bad had they not released that photo. Especially if, as seems likely, they lied about when it was taken.

I agree with you, but they were already behaving as though they were panicked before the photo. I remember on one of the threads that got shut down, discussing how odd it was that they responded to that coma rumors (which had ZERO substantiation and was just making rounds on twitter, but was not taken seriously by any credible news organization) and then again when William pulled out of that memorial last minute. And also the "clarifications" they issued on both the announcement of Kate's and Charles's illnesses (that Kate did not have cancer, and that Charles had a cancer they didn't reveal BUT it wasn't prostate cancer). It was just out of character and seemed to reflect a lack of control or sense of overwhelm (which is not usually the vibe one get's from the BRF, even when really difficult things are happening, like the Queen's death).

The last time the BRF seemed this panicked was Diana's death, and in that case it was much more straightforward -- how should the family, and the Queen in particular, respond to the death of someone who married the heir and was mother to another heir but then divorced? It was unprecedented and they got criticism but also many people understood it was a confusing situation to navigate.

This is different because whatever it is they are struggling with, we don't know. But they are definitely struggling.

Right. I found the “Kate’s sick, see you the week after Easter” (or whatever the exact language was) was odd - sort of too vague and specific at the same time. But most people didn’t think much more of it. It’s was the KP/BP bungling of PR after that that started questions. Then the MD photo, which could not have been handled worse. Then full on fiasco ensues. And just continues until I don’t know when.

I think they’re (widely) returning to the “never complain never explain” philosophy so we will get an update at Easter and they’ll go back to normal without commentary. We probably won’t ever get a satisfactory answer for all the weird things that happened. I won’t believe the line about Kate doing the photoshop unless one of her kids writes a tell-all to corroborate the story, and by that time I’ll probably be dead.

*wisely, not widely.

[Anonymous]

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Lately he always has this look on his face. Can't read what it is actually is. Anger? Guilt? Anxiety? It's striking.

“What if my dad dies and my wife is unwell”? Maybe? I mean it’s not a big stretch.

Ugh stop being such a princess or prince brown-nosed since they read here. Quite clearly and based on dispassionate data, his expressions can only mean he wants his wife extremely dead so he can kill Rose’s husband and bring his secret kids into the glorious light. No one can let go of this story, ever; it’s too important. So sorry.

Or maybe “What if my dad dies and my wife is unwell” plus anger, guilt, or other additional anxiety.

Not everything can be minimized by overdoing the hyperbole, PP.

God save us from hyperbole like “why do all these folks think princesses are perfect?” despite language stating or suggesting that, eh?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DM headline:
If The Royal Family Is Not At Its 11th Hour … It Is Perilously Close

Not dying down

Of course it is. The loudest voices demanding proof of life have not been caved into so they will soon move if they haven't already. People have the attention span of gnats these days, particular the social media agitators who were fanning the flames on this.

If we say it often enough, maybe we can make it come true.

You think people are going to rehash the same theories with no new information for weeks? Ok.

I think it looks like you're pressing the de-escalation pretty hard. No need to try to force it. Try a little finesse.

[Anonymous]

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Lately he always has this look on his face. Can't read what it is actually is. Anger? Guilt? Anxiety? It's striking.

“What if my dad dies and my wife is unwell”? Maybe? I mean it’s not a big stretch.

Ugh stop being such a princess or prince brown-nosed since they read here. Quite clearly and based on dispassionate data, his expressions can only mean he wants his wife extremely dead so he can kill Rose’s husband and bring his secret kids into the glorious light. No one can let go of this story, ever; it’s too important. So sorry.

Or maybe “What if my dad dies and my wife is unwell” plus anger, guilt, or other additional anxiety.

Not everything can be minimized by overdoing the hyperbole, PP.

God save us from hyperbole like “why do all these folks think princesses are perfect?” despite language stating or suggesting that, eh?

Followed a few posts down by another 100% perfect! post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this would be 5, maybe 10% as bad had they not released that photo. Especially if, as seems likely, they lied about when it was taken.

I agree with you, but they were already behaving as though they were panicked before the photo. I remember on one of the threads that got shut down, discussing how odd it was that they responded to that coma rumors (which had ZERO substantiation and was just making rounds on twitter, but was not taken seriously by any credible news organization) and then again when William pulled out of that memorial last minute. And also the "clarifications" they issued on both the announcement of Kate's and Charles's illnesses (that Kate did not have cancer, and that Charles had a cancer they didn't reveal BUT it wasn't prostate cancer). It was just out of character and seemed to reflect a lack of control or sense of overwhelm (which is not usually the vibe one get's from the BRF, even when really difficult things are happening, like the Queen's death).

The last time the BRF seemed this panicked was Diana's death, and in that case it was much more straightforward -- how should the family, and the Queen in particular, respond to the death of someone who married the heir and was mother to another heir but then divorced? It was unprecedented and they got criticism but also many people understood it was a confusing situation to navigate.

This is different because whatever it is they are struggling with, we don't know. But they are definitely struggling.

Right. I found the “Kate’s sick, see you the week after Easter” (or whatever the exact language was) was odd - sort of too vague and specific at the same time. But most people didn’t think much more of it. It’s was the KP/BP bungling of PR after that that started questions. Then the MD photo, which could not have been handled worse. Then full on fiasco ensues. And just continues until I don’t know when.

I think they’re (widely) returning to the “never complain never explain” philosophy so we will get an update at Easter and they’ll go back to normal without commentary. We probably won’t ever get a satisfactory answer for all the weird things that happened. I won’t believe the line about Kate doing the photoshop unless one of her kids writes a tell-all to corroborate the story, and by that time I’ll probably be dead.

*wisely, not widely.

I see that as likely except that it’s not looking like the questions/distrust/curiosity is dying down. With Diana’s death, it took constant “pressure” and then the Queen did finally speak and many seemed satisfied. (Not saying anyone’s dead now). So KP may have to clean up the mess they made, at least, before people will move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the whole thing will just ramp up again either when Kate is next seen or on Easter if she is not seen then (even though I know the palace said "after Easter" -- it's clear a lot of people didn't read it that closely and think she's going to appear at church or in some other public event.

If she doesn't, I think the intensity might even ramp up.

I also think when she is finally seen, her appearance is going to be picked apart like never before.

I also think Kensington Palace has done lasting damage to its relationship with some publications. The public will move on and stop caring, but reporters and editors will not.

That's exactly the problem with delaying more and with putting out the ham-fisted photoshops. Now the longer it takes, the more scrutiny there would be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NEWSWEEK article suggests KP release a video of Kate. Point being that this thing is spreading, not contained. Even if a couple DCUMers what to believe that.

Spreading? I think the fervor has died down quite a bit. People are moving on, bored already.

I agree with this; I’ve moved onto the TL/DR thread.

[Anonymous]

The thread would die down a lot more quickly if all the people who were predicting it would die down would stop posting in it. Then you'd see if it really was dying down.

[Anonymous]

In a way they are doing what Megan and Harry did-Give me Privacy, but pay attention to me to keep me relevant and worthy of income. As mentioned people could accept giving her time to heal. It was strange how it was done, Charles had a better approach, there was speculation, but it was contained. the photo and all the creepiness and lying is what blew this out of proportion and the problem is they may get what they want. I never cared much about them, got too invested, went down rabbit holes and am now detaching. Plenty will. They need us to care enough for the monarchy to be relevant and they can't just call us all back at whim.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think this would be 5, maybe 10% as bad had they not released that photo. Especially if, as seems likely, they lied about when it was taken.

I agree with you, but they were already behaving as though they were panicked before the photo. I remember on one of the threads that got shut down, discussing how odd it was that they responded to that coma rumors (which had ZERO substantiation and was just making rounds on twitter, but was not taken seriously by any credible news organization) and then again when William pulled out of that memorial last minute. And also the "clarifications" they issued on both the announcement of Kate's and Charles's illnesses (that Kate did not have cancer, and that Charles had a cancer they didn't reveal BUT it wasn't prostate cancer). It was just out of character and seemed to reflect a lack of control or sense of overwhelm (which is not usually the vibe one get's from the BRF, even when really difficult things are happening, like the Queen's death).

The last time the BRF seemed this panicked was Diana's death, and in that case it was much more straightforward -- how should the family, and the Queen in particular, respond to the death of someone who married the heir and was mother to another heir but then divorced? It was unprecedented and they got criticism but also many people understood it was a confusing situation to navigate.

This is different because whatever it is they are struggling with, we don't know. But they are definitely struggling.

Well-said. I think that the multiple unforced errors and missteps feel destabilizing — because we don’t understand why this is being played out by the BRF as “ a confusing situation to navigate “. And then people like me, who only paid attention to the BRF for the occasional pageants and the pretty clothes start wondering at the apparent duplicity, and looking a little bit closer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the whole thing will just ramp up again either when Kate is next seen or on Easter if she is not seen then (even though I know the palace said "after Easter" -- it's clear a lot of people didn't read it that closely and think she's going to appear at church or in some other public event.

If she doesn't, I think the intensity might even ramp up.

I also think when she is finally seen, her appearance is going to be picked apart like never before.

I also think Kensington Palace has done lasting damage to its relationship with some publications. The public will move on and stop caring, but reporters and editors will not.

That's exactly the problem with delaying more and with putting out the ham-fisted photoshops. Now the longer it takes, the more scrutiny there would be.

It’s interesting that she did not attend the funerals, because those events aren’t necessarily in the category of “work duties.” So I’m inclined to think she really is still recovering from surgery.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think this would be 5, maybe 10% as bad had they not released that photo. Especially if, as seems likely, they lied about when it was taken.

I agree with you, but they were already behaving as though they were panicked before the photo. I remember on one of the threads that got shut down, discussing how odd it was that they responded to that coma rumors (which had ZERO substantiation and was just making rounds on twitter, but was not taken seriously by any credible news organization) and then again when William pulled out of that memorial last minute. And also the "clarifications" they issued on both the announcement of Kate's and Charles's illnesses (that Kate did not have cancer, and that Charles had a cancer they didn't reveal BUT it wasn't prostate cancer). It was just out of character and seemed to reflect a lack of control or sense of overwhelm (which is not usually the vibe one get's from the BRF, even when really difficult things are happening, like the Queen's death).

The last time the BRF seemed this panicked was Diana's death, and in that case it was much more straightforward -- how should the family, and the Queen in particular, respond to the death of someone who married the heir and was mother to another heir but then divorced? It was unprecedented and they got criticism but also many people understood it was a confusing situation to navigate.

This is different because whatever it is they are struggling with, we don't know. But they are definitely struggling.

Well-said. I think that the multiple unforced errors and missteps feel destabilizing — because we don’t understand why this is being played out by the BRF as “ a confusing situation to navigate “. And then people like me, who only paid attention to the BRF for the occasional pageants and the pretty clothes start wondering at the apparent duplicity, and looking a little bit closer.

Exactly. There is a helluva a lot of smoke blowing around here, and it can't all be from a cigarette. Where's the fire?