Thanks to the bike party organizers!

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Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

They don’t care

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Anonymous wrote:Connecticut Ave bike lanes are dead, folks. Get over it. The District’s budget situation is dire and not even Charles Allen would fund bike lanes over public school needs. On top of that, public opinion is divided. The WABA crowd comes across as selfish whiners.

Option C was the preferred choice until people opposed decided to fight it.

The bike lanes will only be dead when there isn't another recourse. Until then, advocates will show the support for the safety improvements (more signatures in a week than the opponents collected in 2+ years) show where the Mayor and DDOT are wrong and try to ensure there is a safe North-South route on Connecticut Avenue is preserved as is codified in the MoveDC plan (we don't need another plan) and in compliance with both Vision Zero and the DC Sustainability Plan.

If this is your goal, what is this hissy fit supposed to accomplish?

I am not sure why you call it hissy fit.

People are allowed to go for an evening bike ride, are they not?

Hissy fit is pretty accurate, because the behavior is quite similar to a toddler’s temper tantrum.

You didn’t get what you wanted, so you are having a hissy fit to demonstrate your displeasure.

Everyone that has raised a child knows exactly what is going on.

That's a riot coming from the people who obstructed multiple government agencies for 3 years because of a bike lane!

The middle finger ANC group recently voted to hold up any DDOT spending to improve Connecticut Ave safety unless and until DDOT also builds the bike lanes. So it’s not really about safety on Connecticut either.

Without a place for bikes, there isn't safety, because bikers will either need to be on the sidewalk or on the street. Neither pedestrians nor car drivers want bikes in "their" space, so it sort of makes sense.

As a pedestrian, I’ve never objected to bikes on the sidewalk. Doesn’t bother me at all.

I live on the bottom of a hill and because there is no bike lane on my street and because drivers tend to aggressively speed on my street, bikes / e-bikes regularly sail down the sidewalk at 15-20 mph. Getting hit by one would be catastrophic. Anyone who regularly walks anywhere in DC is all for the bike lanes.

How does a bike lane reduce the risk of a cyclist going too fast for conditions down a hill to stop?

If the cyclist is not in the same space as the pedestrians, then the pedestrians will be safer.

Uh…..How about just not riding in a way the endangers pedestrians?

Is that too big an ask?

How about not driving your car in a way that endangers both pedestrians and cyclists?

I don’t. I’m an extremely safe driver, and that’s reflected by both my spotless driving record and my insurance, with uses a little device called a Snapshot that plugs into the sensor port in my car and monitors things like speed, acceleration, and braking effort. My insurance company says I’m a very safe driver and they have the receipts to prove it.


Now - let’s get back to talking about your not riding on the sidewalk in a way that endangers pedestrians. Can you do that? Or is it a non-starter?

then you are the pearl in the sea.

Yes, I personally can ride safely on a sidewalk just as you can drive safely on a road.

But you and I aren't all people, as clearly there are lots of crashes. Though you don't hear too much about pedestrians getting hurt on sidewalks from cyclists (not that it doesn't happen, but it is rare), you do hear a lot about pedestrians and cyclists getting hurt by cars.

We might hear about it more - but the discussion typically stops conveniently before issue of who was at-fault comes up.

Because in a large majority of the cases the driver of a vehicle injures or kills a pedestrian or cyclist - the pedestrian or cyclist is at-fault. And the data from DC bear that out in black and white.

Just because you’re the party who got injured in a crash doesn’t automatically make the other party at-fault or guilty. Cyclists have become masters of spinning this nonsense.

Having witnessed crashes and then read the follow on police report, I can anecdotally affirm that the bias in police reports tilts towards drivers of cars. So take it all with a grain of salt.

Because cops spend their days in traffic and see all the disregard cyclists have for any traffic safety laws. Of course they bring a bias - they understand bikers.

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Anonymous wrote:Connecticut Ave bike lanes are dead, folks. Get over it. The District’s budget situation is dire and not even Charles Allen would fund bike lanes over public school needs. On top of that, public opinion is divided. The WABA crowd comes across as selfish whiners.

Option C was the preferred choice until people opposed decided to fight it.

The bike lanes will only be dead when there isn't another recourse. Until then, advocates will show the support for the safety improvements (more signatures in a week than the opponents collected in 2+ years) show where the Mayor and DDOT are wrong and try to ensure there is a safe North-South route on Connecticut Avenue is preserved as is codified in the MoveDC plan (we don't need another plan) and in compliance with both Vision Zero and the DC Sustainability Plan.

If this is your goal, what is this hissy fit supposed to accomplish?

I am not sure why you call it hissy fit.

People are allowed to go for an evening bike ride, are they not?

Hissy fit is pretty accurate, because the behavior is quite similar to a toddler’s temper tantrum.

You didn’t get what you wanted, so you are having a hissy fit to demonstrate your displeasure.

Everyone that has raised a child knows exactly what is going on.

That's a riot coming from the people who obstructed multiple government agencies for 3 years because of a bike lane!

The middle finger ANC group recently voted to hold up any DDOT spending to improve Connecticut Ave safety unless and until DDOT also builds the bike lanes. So it’s not really about safety on Connecticut either.

Without a place for bikes, there isn't safety, because bikers will either need to be on the sidewalk or on the street. Neither pedestrians nor car drivers want bikes in "their" space, so it sort of makes sense.

As a pedestrian, I’ve never objected to bikes on the sidewalk. Doesn’t bother me at all.

I live on the bottom of a hill and because there is no bike lane on my street and because drivers tend to aggressively speed on my street, bikes / e-bikes regularly sail down the sidewalk at 15-20 mph. Getting hit by one would be catastrophic. Anyone who regularly walks anywhere in DC is all for the bike lanes.

How does a bike lane reduce the risk of a cyclist going too fast for conditions down a hill to stop?

If the cyclist is not in the same space as the pedestrians, then the pedestrians will be safer.

Uh…..How about just not riding in a way the endangers pedestrians?

Is that too big an ask?

How about not driving your car in a way that endangers both pedestrians and cyclists?

I don’t. I’m an extremely safe driver, and that’s reflected by both my spotless driving record and my insurance, with uses a little device called a Snapshot that plugs into the sensor port in my car and monitors things like speed, acceleration, and braking effort. My insurance company says I’m a very safe driver and they have the receipts to prove it.


Now - let’s get back to talking about your not riding on the sidewalk in a way that endangers pedestrians. Can you do that? Or is it a non-starter?

then you are the pearl in the sea.

Yes, I personally can ride safely on a sidewalk just as you can drive safely on a road.

But you and I aren't all people, as clearly there are lots of crashes. Though you don't hear too much about pedestrians getting hurt on sidewalks from cyclists (not that it doesn't happen, but it is rare), you do hear a lot about pedestrians and cyclists getting hurt by cars.

We might hear about it more - but the discussion typically stops conveniently before issue of who was at-fault comes up.

Because in a large majority of the cases the driver of a vehicle injures or kills a pedestrian or cyclist - the pedestrian or cyclist is at-fault. And the data from DC bear that out in black and white.

Just because you’re the party who got injured in a crash doesn’t automatically make the other party at-fault or guilty. Cyclists have become masters of spinning this nonsense.

Having witnessed crashes and then read the follow on police report, I can anecdotally affirm that the bias in police reports tilts towards drivers of cars. So take it all with a grain of salt.

Because cops spend their days in traffic and see all the disregard cyclists have for any traffic safety laws. Of course they bring a bias - they understand bikers.

Cyclist think that police are biased against them because they are normally used to credulously telling people nonsense and people believing them. Police actually look at the facts and frequently conclude the cyclists are at fault. So they are obviously biased.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtondc/s/wXPjuRq8Rm

Look at all these fake people acting like they are having fun. It is raining and cold out and they a clearly miserable. But the parents are dragging their kids along with them through this indoctrination. Shameful!

So it is it indoctrination when a kid is strapped into a car seat and driven for 45 minutes each way to day care or school?

In the heat and humidity people are biking to daycare, schools, work, the doctor, and getting groceries? In the winter cold the same? Sure.

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Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

They don't care. They've been radicalized and think of it as civil disobedience.

There are comparisons to the shrill pro-Palestinian demonstrators: self-righteous, uncompromising, dogmatic virtue signallers.

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Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

They don't care. They've been radicalized and think of it as civil disobedience.

There are comparisons to the shrill pro-Palestinian demonstrators: self-righteous, uncompromising, dogmatic virtue signallers.

And both want to put an end to needless death?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtondc/s/wXPjuRq8Rm

Look at all these fake people acting like they are having fun. It is raining and cold out and they a clearly miserable. But the parents are dragging their kids along with them through this indoctrination. Shameful!

So it is it indoctrination when a kid is strapped into a car seat and driven for 45 minutes each way to day care or school?

In the heat and humidity people are biking to daycare, schools, work, the doctor, and getting groceries? In the winter cold the same? Sure.

That you don't recall seeing people biking in these conditions is concerning because you are supposed to be attentive while driving. But yes, people bike in these conditions except when the roads are not treated.

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Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

They don't care. They've been radicalized and think of it as civil disobedience.

There are comparisons to the shrill pro-Palestinian demonstrators: self-righteous, uncompromising, dogmatic virtue signallers.

And both want to put an end to needless death?

A needless death could also be caused by some idiot with their kids in a trailer behind them disregarding traffic laws and sailing through the city without turning their heads. Who are all these people being forced at gun point to ride bikes so close to all these insane drivers who NEVER stop at signs or lights? In all seriousness cyclists have other options if they feel unsafe in car traffic just as they suggest car drivers do. No we're not spending millions on building MORE infrastructure to accomodate you and your ten friends at the expense of thousands of other commuters. Were you all actually raised to believe that whatever you want, you get? I learned that wasn't true in kindergarten.

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Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

They don't care. They've been radicalized and think of it as civil disobedience.

There are comparisons to the shrill pro-Palestinian demonstrators: self-righteous, uncompromising, dogmatic virtue signallers.

And both want to put an end to needless death?

A needless death could also be caused by some idiot with their kids in a trailer behind them disregarding traffic laws and sailing through the city without turning their heads. Who are all these people being forced at gun point to ride bikes so close to all these insane drivers who NEVER stop at signs or lights? In all seriousness cyclists have other options if they feel unsafe in car traffic just as they suggest car drivers do. No we're not spending millions on building MORE infrastructure to accomodate you and your ten friends at the expense of thousands of other commuters. Were you all actually raised to believe that whatever you want, you get? I learned that wasn't true in kindergarten.

All transportation infrastructure is a "If you build it, they will come" type deal. So it simply becomes a question of how do you want this city to look like in the future. If you build for cars, you will get cars and if you build for walking/bikes/transit you will get more of that.

We have a century of experience of building for cars, and frankly the results are not good. Even drivers don't like driving these days. But for some reason, drivers remain firmly committed to something they hate doing. Its a behavior that's hard to explain and bike/transit/walking people just don't get it.

At the very least, you would think rational drivers would be the main supporters of things like bike lanes, and transit because of the traffic it would remove. But here they are, getting red in the face, insisting that these people get in cars and jam up the roads with them. Its insanity.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtondc/s/wXPjuRq8Rm

Look at all these fake people acting like they are having fun. It is raining and cold out and they a clearly miserable. But the parents are dragging their kids along with them through this indoctrination. Shameful!

So it is it indoctrination when a kid is strapped into a car seat and driven for 45 minutes each way to day care or school?

In the heat and humidity people are biking to daycare, schools, work, the doctor, and getting groceries? In the winter cold the same? Sure.

Weird question - yes, I'm still biking and see other people biking.

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Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

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Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Unlike people who drive cars and don't come to full stops, right?

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CM Allen just said he supports the Conn. Ave bike lane.

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Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Unlike people who drive cars and don't come to full stops, right?

Not really getting the comparison. Maybe once a year, I see a driver blow a stop sign without even attempting to stop. I see cyclists do that literally every day.

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Anonymous wrote:CM Allen just said he supports the Conn. Ave bike lane.

Where do you see this? Got a link?