Biden wants RTO

[Anonymous]

Most agencies unions are useless including my agency.

[Anonymous]

Our union keeps on saying that management can’t bring bargaining unit employees back to the office more than twice a pay period. But if you actually read the contract it says management may grant telework up to to 8 days a pay period and can’t be arbitrary in who gets to telework. So management just said we’re all coming back 5 days a pay period and I don’t particularly like the decision but I don’t see how the union wins this one, seems clearly within management’s discretion.

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Anonymous wrote:Why did people poo-poo unions earlier in this thread? They have signed contracts, and at least with respect to the SEC it was heavily litigated and likely won’t be poked at for while. I don’t know how you get more protection than that against whatever Biden is trying to push.

+1.

[Anonymous]

Rolls over and play dead

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Anonymous wrote:my agency is trying to force 6 days PP by taking away our offices if we don't comply.

What are they telling you exactly? If you give up your office, are they allowing you to continue WFH?

You will only have a dedicated workspace (offices, cubicles alike) if you come in 6 days PP, otherwise you have to hotel. They aren't taking away the option to WFH, but if you're a supervisor you are strongly urged to take the 6 days option

I'm already a supervisor in a cubicle (you have to be two levels above me to get an office). So that doesn't sound like much of a threat to me. I'd take that deal.

You'd take the 6 days or hotel? The policy impacts everyone basically since everyone, office or not, has a dedicated workspace

I'd be happy to hotel, but I'm not being given that option.

I wouldn't mind hoteling at all. The only thing Id worry about is sitting in someone's fart chair.

Um, do you use the bathroom at work?

The weirdness people have about hoteling is something I didn’t anticipate. Several colleagues have said they don’t like the idea of sitting where someone else sits. Do they ever leave the house and go anywhere other than their offices? Ride the metro? Take an Uber? Go to a restaurant? A movie?

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Anonymous wrote:my agency is trying to force 6 days PP by taking away our offices if we don't comply.

What are they telling you exactly? If you give up your office, are they allowing you to continue WFH?

You will only have a dedicated workspace (offices, cubicles alike) if you come in 6 days PP, otherwise you have to hotel. They aren't taking away the option to WFH, but if you're a supervisor you are strongly urged to take the 6 days option

I'm already a supervisor in a cubicle (you have to be two levels above me to get an office). So that doesn't sound like much of a threat to me. I'd take that deal.

You'd take the 6 days or hotel? The policy impacts everyone basically since everyone, office or not, has a dedicated workspace

I'd be happy to hotel, but I'm not being given that option.

I wouldn't mind hoteling at all. The only thing Id worry about is sitting in someone's fart chair.

Um, do you use the bathroom at work?

The weirdness people have about hoteling is something I didn’t anticipate. Several colleagues have said they don’t like the idea of sitting where someone else sits. Do they ever leave the house and go anywhere other than their offices? Ride the metro? Take an Uber? Go to a restaurant? A movie?

Based on comments on this website no they don’t leave their houses anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:my agency is trying to force 6 days PP by taking away our offices if we don't comply.

What are they telling you exactly? If you give up your office, are they allowing you to continue WFH?

You will only have a dedicated workspace (offices, cubicles alike) if you come in 6 days PP, otherwise you have to hotel. They aren't taking away the option to WFH, but if you're a supervisor you are strongly urged to take the 6 days option

I'm already a supervisor in a cubicle (you have to be two levels above me to get an office). So that doesn't sound like much of a threat to me. I'd take that deal.

You'd take the 6 days or hotel? The policy impacts everyone basically since everyone, office or not, has a dedicated workspace

I'd be happy to hotel, but I'm not being given that option.

I wouldn't mind hoteling at all. The only thing Id worry about is sitting in someone's fart chair.

What a stupid reason. If that is your concern, then buy a portable seat cushion and stash it somewhere in the office and take it out when you want to sit and put it away when you leave. Then you'll be the only one to sit on that seat cushion and you don't have to worry about sit on someone's fart chair. SMH.

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Anonymous wrote:Why did people poo-poo unions earlier in this thread? They have signed contracts, and at least with respect to the SEC it was heavily litigated and likely won’t be poked at for while. I don’t know how you get more protection than that against whatever Biden is trying to push.

+1.

Didn’t the fdic also have a signed agreement that the agency is ignoring?

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Anonymous wrote:Why did people poo-poo unions earlier in this thread? They have signed contracts, and at least with respect to the SEC it was heavily litigated and likely won’t be poked at for while. I don’t know how you get more protection than that against whatever Biden is trying to push.

+1.

Didn’t the fdic also have a signed agreement that the agency is ignoring?

Forgot to link
https://www.federaltimes.com/management/career/2023/06/27/fdic-will-call-federal-employees-back-to-offices-in-january/

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Anonymous wrote:my agency is trying to force 6 days PP by taking away our offices if we don't comply.

What are they telling you exactly? If you give up your office, are they allowing you to continue WFH?

You will only have a dedicated workspace (offices, cubicles alike) if you come in 6 days PP, otherwise you have to hotel. They aren't taking away the option to WFH, but if you're a supervisor you are strongly urged to take the 6 days option

I'm already a supervisor in a cubicle (you have to be two levels above me to get an office). So that doesn't sound like much of a threat to me. I'd take that deal.

You'd take the 6 days or hotel? The policy impacts everyone basically since everyone, office or not, has a dedicated workspace

I'd be happy to hotel, but I'm not being given that option.

I wouldn't mind hoteling at all. The only thing Id worry about is sitting in someone's fart chair.

Um, do you use the bathroom at work?

The weirdness people have about hoteling is something I didn’t anticipate. Several colleagues have said they don’t like the idea of sitting where someone else sits. Do they ever leave the house and go anywhere other than their offices? Ride the metro? Take an Uber? Go to a restaurant? A movie?

Movies are outdated. I don’t Uber or metro.

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Anonymous wrote:I presently work in-person two days a week. If I’m asked to work in person three days a week I’ll accept it. If I’m asked to work four days then I’ll look for another job.

Same. Does anyone have an arrangement where on one of their days they can leave early and resume teleworking at home? My main issue is the 3-5pm timeframe where kids need rides to various activities, etc., which became so easy when we were all working from home and could hop off quickly to drop kids off or whatever. The third day a week will be tough to manage unless I can leave my office around 4 and finish up at home. I luckily have a very very short commute so I can be home in 10 minutes or less. Going in early is an option but realistically not before 7:30am.

I’m the poster presently working two days that you responded to. More specifically I work 16 hours per week in-person, which I spread over three days — so, 8:15 to about 1:15 pm. I drive home during my lunch break so that I can be home for the kids, dog, etc. I check and respond to emails at night, too, so govt definitely gets its money. But 16 hours of in-person time allows me to balance my life. 24 hours would be a pain but I could manage. More than that would make me seek out another office.

[Anonymous]

FDR was right about public sector unions.

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Anonymous wrote:Why did people poo-poo unions earlier in this thread? They have signed contracts, and at least with respect to the SEC it was heavily litigated and likely won’t be poked at for while. I don’t know how you get more protection than that against whatever Biden is trying to push.

+1.

Didn’t the fdic also have a signed agreement that the agency is ignoring?

Forgot to link
https://www.federaltimes.com/management/career/2023/06/27/fdic-will-call-federal-employees-back-to-offices-in-january/

At the end of the article it says it is subject to bargaining. Also, their agreement contained a provision that changes could be made after 4/1.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone have a link to the telework agreement that the SEC signed with its union? I’m having a hard time finding it.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link to the telework agreement that the SEC signed with its union? I’m having a hard time finding it.

I just googled "SEC CBA" and it was the first result: https://www.secunion.org/collective-bargaining-agreement-nteu-chapter-293-authorized-version

TW is in article 11.