Teachers Resigning Like Crazy?

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't find a high paying corporate job. I did find a nanny position that pays me more than I made teaching, with 8 weeks paid vacation and about 70% of the hours I was working. I'm extremely happy

Lame! All your hard work and education down the drain! And what will you do when the kids grow up and you aren’t needed? You’ll have no real work experience.

Here’s a hint: most corporate/office jobs are not real jobs! I know y’all have very high opinions of yourselves, but having Zoom meetings to discuss the spreadsheet, then a follow up meeting about the meeting, then a new version of the spreadsheet with the X and Y axis flipped and a meeting about circling back to put a pin in it until Q3? It’s all busywork, the adult equivalent of in-class worksheets.

A few years teaching is all the experience anyone needs to properly deal with the average corporate manager. They’re practically children.

She will be out of the workforce raising someone else’s kids like a SAHM. It’s incredibly difficult to get back in once your out for a few years.

Not really. I worked in finance until 29, left for 4 years to try to be a real estate agent, and came back pretty easily. Would
I be slightly more senior had I stayed? Definitely, but I’m happy with my life experience and I’m making good money. I know plenty of others with similar stories of trying and failing at entrepreneurship and coming back and picking back up where they left off no problem. You, and many others, just sip too much of the corporate cool—aid.

You didn’t leave the workforce completely. When you leave to become a SAHM, it’s totally different. It’s a lot harder to go back into the workforce after being out for years, as you no longer have current references, etc.

Keep grasping at those straws. Grasp! Grasp!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

The question: “I am optimistic about the future” didn’t fare so well.

I'm not a teacher, but I think we need to rethink how education is structured centered around what will help teachers thrive. Students will be more likely to thrive with teachers that do. Any demands on teachers--for supporting students, for admin, for adjusting to changing needs--need to be considered in the context of how can that be achieved while not undermining the fundamental need for teachers to thrive. There may be some unmet needs that it is the responsibility of society as a whole to figure out how to fund and meet those needs, not unfunded mandates placed upon schools.

US Society as a whole is a failure. Schools are supposed to educate, but we also have to feed, clothe and parent students; the minute we’re not available to do those things (see: April 2020 onward) it’s OUR fault, but the minute we suggest shifting that burden to another part of the societal safety net, the same people who screamed about closing school buildings, scream that we can’t spend the money on that type of thing.

Until teachers can get back to being teachers and not substitute parents things are just going to get worse.

It's not just parenting issues, but also ever expanding content, more access to teachers via technology from students and parents, and more expectations for teachers to post everything online/grade quickly, more requirements to provide accommodations for students with a range of learning needs etc. Each one of these things might seem reasonable but on whole the demands are unsustainable. Before new legislation is passed requiring anything or an admin creates a policy, a review of the new addition in light of a teacher's full job needs to considered--if we add this new thing, what gets taken away. If we require this, when does the time to do it during contracted hours occur?

This is getting ridiculous. Teachers used to grade things all the time. You can say that things are getting harder, but we all know that we received more grades from our teachers than our kids do.

All your teacher had to do is teach and grade. Sorry, your dinosaur references no longer fly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

Sums up my day perfectly!

Look, I am sympathetic. I am. But the result is not to NOT grade work or provide appropriate feedback to students. You're not doing your job in that instance and there is nothing you will say to change my mind on that.

Maybe if you did your job as a parent and I didn’t have to be a full-in parent to 120+ students, I’d have more time to hold your hand as well.

But you are not, so I don’t.

DP. I get that teachers are overworked and overwhelmed with too many responsibilities and too many behaviors. But attacking parents who ask for their kids to get feedback on assignments is off base.

Its also off base to demand things when you aren’t their boss and don’t really understand the job requirements.

DP, but you can't have it both ways. If it's ultimately parents' responsibility to educate their kids and make sure that they are learning what is being taught at school, parents need access to timely information about how their kids are doing. If timely communication isn't possible, then kids' failures are the teachers' responsibility. That's the source of the conflict. Parents can't control teacher working conditions. If you tell them that they have no right to timely information about what is going on in school, which is the purpose of quizzes and tests, then it's no wonder there is a lack of trust. You can't teach kids that grades and timely completion of work matter if the adults in their lives aren't held to the same standards.

Will it really make a difference in the way you are parenting your child if the essay they wrote on Beloved is returned in 2 weeks instead of 1?

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't find a high paying corporate job. I did find a nanny position that pays me more than I made teaching, with 8 weeks paid vacation and about 70% of the hours I was working. I'm extremely happy

Lame! All your hard work and education down the drain! And what will you do when the kids grow up and you aren’t needed? You’ll have no real work experience.

Here’s a hint: most corporate/office jobs are not real jobs! I know y’all have very high opinions of yourselves, but having Zoom meetings to discuss the spreadsheet, then a follow up meeting about the meeting, then a new version of the spreadsheet with the X and Y axis flipped and a meeting about circling back to put a pin in it until Q3? It’s all busywork, the adult equivalent of in-class worksheets.

A few years teaching is all the experience anyone needs to properly deal with the average corporate manager. They’re practically children.

She will be out of the workforce raising someone else’s kids like a SAHM. It’s incredibly difficult to get back in once your out for a few years.

Not really. I worked in finance until 29, left for 4 years to try to be a real estate agent, and came back pretty easily. Would
I be slightly more senior had I stayed? Definitely, but I’m happy with my life experience and I’m making good money. I know plenty of others with similar stories of trying and failing at entrepreneurship and coming back and picking back up where they left off no problem. You, and many others, just sip too much of the corporate cool—aid.

You didn’t leave the workforce completely. When you leave to become a SAHM, it’s totally different. It’s a lot harder to go back into the workforce after being out for years, as you no longer have current references, etc.

Keep grasping at those straws. Grasp! Grasp!

I’m stating a fact and have no reason to “grasp at straws.” I don’t understand your comment.

Have fun changing other kids’ diapers as a nanny.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

The question: “I am optimistic about the future” didn’t fare so well.

I'm not a teacher, but I think we need to rethink how education is structured centered around what will help teachers thrive. Students will be more likely to thrive with teachers that do. Any demands on teachers--for supporting students, for admin, for adjusting to changing needs--need to be considered in the context of how can that be achieved while not undermining the fundamental need for teachers to thrive. There may be some unmet needs that it is the responsibility of society as a whole to figure out how to fund and meet those needs, not unfunded mandates placed upon schools.

US Society as a whole is a failure. Schools are supposed to educate, but we also have to feed, clothe and parent students; the minute we’re not available to do those things (see: April 2020 onward) it’s OUR fault, but the minute we suggest shifting that burden to another part of the societal safety net, the same people who screamed about closing school buildings, scream that we can’t spend the money on that type of thing.

Until teachers can get back to being teachers and not substitute parents things are just going to get worse.

It's not just parenting issues, but also ever expanding content, more access to teachers via technology from students and parents, and more expectations for teachers to post everything online/grade quickly, more requirements to provide accommodations for students with a range of learning needs etc. Each one of these things might seem reasonable but on whole the demands are unsustainable. Before new legislation is passed requiring anything or an admin creates a policy, a review of the new addition in light of a teacher's full job needs to considered--if we add this new thing, what gets taken away. If we require this, when does the time to do it during contracted hours occur?

This is getting ridiculous. Teachers used to grade things all the time. You can say that things are getting harder, but we all know that we received more grades from our teachers than our kids do.

I didn't receive more grades from my teachers than my kids do. And my teachers definitely didn't have to post in advance all the upcoming quizzes, tests, projects etc. into Schoology and SIS and then data input the grades, figure in timing for retakes and late submissions according to school policies. They just put marks on a paper--that they often graded while we were doing work in class--and wrote it in a book that they then added up 4 times a year for quarter reports. They didn't have parents and students checking SIS for updates every day and then emailing in about it. (I'm not a teacher--I'm just seeing what they have to do as a parent and it seems mind-numbingly too much).

I received WAY more feedback, especially for writing. Redlines (with pen back in the day) and comments. That's how I learned to write well. SIS has nothing to do with this. If things were graded in a timely manner, and your expectations regarding that set forth at the start of the year, I suspect you would get few emails except for the craziest ones.

You “suspect” wrong.

Pro tip: Having been a student decades ago doesn’t make you qualified to tell teachers how to do their jobs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

The question: “I am optimistic about the future” didn’t fare so well.

I'm not a teacher, but I think we need to rethink how education is structured centered around what will help teachers thrive. Students will be more likely to thrive with teachers that do. Any demands on teachers--for supporting students, for admin, for adjusting to changing needs--need to be considered in the context of how can that be achieved while not undermining the fundamental need for teachers to thrive. There may be some unmet needs that it is the responsibility of society as a whole to figure out how to fund and meet those needs, not unfunded mandates placed upon schools.

US Society as a whole is a failure. Schools are supposed to educate, but we also have to feed, clothe and parent students; the minute we’re not available to do those things (see: April 2020 onward) it’s OUR fault, but the minute we suggest shifting that burden to another part of the societal safety net, the same people who screamed about closing school buildings, scream that we can’t spend the money on that type of thing.

Until teachers can get back to being teachers and not substitute parents things are just going to get worse.

It's not just parenting issues, but also ever expanding content, more access to teachers via technology from students and parents, and more expectations for teachers to post everything online/grade quickly, more requirements to provide accommodations for students with a range of learning needs etc. Each one of these things might seem reasonable but on whole the demands are unsustainable. Before new legislation is passed requiring anything or an admin creates a policy, a review of the new addition in light of a teacher's full job needs to considered--if we add this new thing, what gets taken away. If we require this, when does the time to do it during contracted hours occur?

This is getting ridiculous. Teachers used to grade things all the time. You can say that things are getting harder, but we all know that we received more grades from our teachers than our kids do.

Ok I'll say it....teachers didn't have all the extra demands from the count and ridiculous parent demands we have now. When kids were sent to the office they were dealt with and principals weren't afraid of giving consequences. Parents supported teachers and admin not question there every movement. Parents be parents tell your kids no-tell them when their behavior is not ok. I spend 85% of my day dealing with behaviors. ENOUGH! And I'm done with the do nothings in Gatehouse-we have enough of them doing nothing but creating more for teachers to do-teachers who are not in quiet office. You know what we don't have time to do TEACH-and it's not just the extras from the county it's because parents are not parenting. We shouldn't be spending more than half our day talking to your children about their behavior. For those parents who parent-thank you we see you.

+100
I was subbing the other day in a specials class and the teacher brought her class in. She looked absolutely haggard, wiped out, and exhausted as she handed me a list of her "behavioral" problems and asked me to score them while they were with me. I had them for half an hour and can't even imagine what her days are like with these kids. There couldn't possibly be any learning going on in that classroom - and not because of her. These kids need to be removed and taught separately. It is beyond unfair to pile them into a mainstream class and expect that teacher to deal with them all day, every day.

+1. This right here is the utter failure of the school board and administrators. Nothing will improve until you fix the root cause. That means voting very differently than we’re accustomed. Anyone ready for that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

Sums up my day perfectly!

Look, I am sympathetic. I am. But the result is not to NOT grade work or provide appropriate feedback to students. You're not doing your job in that instance and there is nothing you will say to change my mind on that.

Um, OK. You know nobody cares about “changing your mind,” right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

Sums up my day perfectly!

Look, I am sympathetic. I am. But the result is not to NOT grade work or provide appropriate feedback to students. You're not doing your job in that instance and there is nothing you will say to change my mind on that.

You are correct, the answer is to quit.

Keep running your yap like that, Becky. The unqualified warm body who will replace your kid’s teacher when she quits won’t be grading to your standards. I can damn well promise you that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

Sums up my day perfectly!

Look, I am sympathetic. I am. But the result is not to NOT grade work or provide appropriate feedback to students. You're not doing your job in that instance and there is nothing you will say to change my mind on that.

You are correct, the answer is to quit.

Keep running your yap like that, Becky. The unqualified warm body who will replace your kid’s teacher when she quits won’t be grading to your standards. I can damn well promise you that.

Ugh, sorry, PP. I was trying to reply to the lazy parent anti-teacher poster and hit you instead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

Sums up my day perfectly!

Look, I am sympathetic. I am. But the result is not to NOT grade work or provide appropriate feedback to students. You're not doing your job in that instance and there is nothing you will say to change my mind on that.

Maybe if you did your job as a parent and I didn’t have to be a full-in parent to 120+ students, I’d have more time to hold your hand as well.

But you are not, so I don’t.

DP. I get that teachers are overworked and overwhelmed with too many responsibilities and too many behaviors. But attacking parents who ask for their kids to get feedback on assignments is off base.

Its also off base to demand things when you aren’t their boss and don’t really understand the job requirements.

Nailed it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't find a high paying corporate job. I did find a nanny position that pays me more than I made teaching, with 8 weeks paid vacation and about 70% of the hours I was working. I'm extremely happy

Lame! All your hard work and education down the drain! And what will you do when the kids grow up and you aren’t needed? You’ll have no real work experience.

Here’s a hint: most corporate/office jobs are not real jobs! I know y’all have very high opinions of yourselves, but having Zoom meetings to discuss the spreadsheet, then a follow up meeting about the meeting, then a new version of the spreadsheet with the X and Y axis flipped and a meeting about circling back to put a pin in it until Q3? It’s all busywork, the adult equivalent of in-class worksheets.

A few years teaching is all the experience anyone needs to properly deal with the average corporate manager. They’re practically children.

She will be out of the workforce raising someone else’s kids like a SAHM. It’s incredibly difficult to get back in once your out for a few years.

Not really. I worked in finance until 29, left for 4 years to try to be a real estate agent, and came back pretty easily. Would
I be slightly more senior had I stayed? Definitely, but I’m happy with my life experience and I’m making good money. I know plenty of others with similar stories of trying and failing at entrepreneurship and coming back and picking back up where they left off no problem. You, and many others, just sip too much of the corporate cool—aid.

You didn’t leave the workforce completely. When you leave to become a SAHM, it’s totally different. It’s a lot harder to go back into the workforce after being out for years, as you no longer have current references, etc.

Keep grasping at those straws. Grasp! Grasp!

I’m stating a fact and have no reason to “grasp at straws.” I don’t understand your comment.

Have fun changing other kids’ diapers as a nanny.

I’m not a nanny. You’re desperately posting and reposting that teachers are trapped and can’t get other jobs other than low paying jobs like waitressing. This is untrue, but you continue to post it over and over. Straws.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

Sums up my day perfectly!

Look, I am sympathetic. I am. But the result is not to NOT grade work or provide appropriate feedback to students. You're not doing your job in that instance and there is nothing you will say to change my mind on that.

You are correct, the answer is to quit.

Keep running your yap like that, Becky. The unqualified warm body who will replace your kid’s teacher when she quits won’t be grading to your standards. I can damn well promise you that.

The problem is that many of the people harassing teachers right now WANT to wreck public schools so people will be more likely vote in the voucher scam which REALLY wrecks public schools (and the property values associated with their districts) and they can go off to their parochial school.

[Anonymous]

Of course they aren't ! Not any more than other positions. They really have no other skills or opportunities except retail or daycare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

Sums up my day perfectly!

Look, I am sympathetic. I am. But the result is not to NOT grade work or provide appropriate feedback to students. You're not doing your job in that instance and there is nothing you will say to change my mind on that.

You are correct, the answer is to quit.

Keep running your yap like that, Becky. The unqualified warm body who will replace your kid’s teacher when she quits won’t be grading to your standards. I can damn well promise you that.

The problem is that many of the people harassing teachers right now WANT to wreck public schools so people will be more likely vote in the voucher scam which REALLY wrecks public schools (and the property values associated with their districts) and they can go off to their parochial school.

It’s so sad to see the constant brigading that happens on here to undermine public schools. It’s no longer just venting and looking for solutions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't find a high paying corporate job. I did find a nanny position that pays me more than I made teaching, with 8 weeks paid vacation and about 70% of the hours I was working. I'm extremely happy

Lame! All your hard work and education down the drain! And what will you do when the kids grow up and you aren’t needed? You’ll have no real work experience.

Here’s a hint: most corporate/office jobs are not real jobs! I know y’all have very high opinions of yourselves, but having Zoom meetings to discuss the spreadsheet, then a follow up meeting about the meeting, then a new version of the spreadsheet with the X and Y axis flipped and a meeting about circling back to put a pin in it until Q3? It’s all busywork, the adult equivalent of in-class worksheets.

A few years teaching is all the experience anyone needs to properly deal with the average corporate manager. They’re practically children.

She will be out of the workforce raising someone else’s kids like a SAHM. It’s incredibly difficult to get back in once your out for a few years.

Not really. I worked in finance until 29, left for 4 years to try to be a real estate agent, and came back pretty easily. Would
I be slightly more senior had I stayed? Definitely, but I’m happy with my life experience and I’m making good money. I know plenty of others with similar stories of trying and failing at entrepreneurship and coming back and picking back up where they left off no problem. You, and many others, just sip too much of the corporate cool—aid.

You didn’t leave the workforce completely. When you leave to become a SAHM, it’s totally different. It’s a lot harder to go back into the workforce after being out for years, as you no longer have current references, etc.

Keep grasping at those straws. Grasp! Grasp!

I’m stating a fact and have no reason to “grasp at straws.” I don’t understand your comment.

Have fun changing other kids’ diapers as a nanny.

I’m not a nanny. You’re desperately posting and reposting that teachers are trapped and can’t get other jobs other than low paying jobs like waitressing. This is untrue, but you continue to post it over and over. Straws.

You’ve got me confused with another poster then.