FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Is there any way to get the School Board to scale back the Centreville expansion to 2500 permanent seats (not 3000), cancel the Dunn Loring ES project, and use the savings to expand Chantilly to 2750 and McLean to 2500?

I cannot see why that would not make more sense than expanding Centreville to 3000, building an unnecessary 900-seat ES in Dunn Loring, and leaving McLean with under 2000 permanent seats.

If they did this, many of the boundary changes people are concerned about would be moot. If they don’t, it suggests they are neglecting to make sound investment decisions because they want to change boundaries for purely demographic reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Those stuck-up Langley folks really don’t like poor brown kids.

Your comment isn't witty or funny. Pretty classless, honestly. Parents not wanting their kids to be moved to a lower performing school is in no way a sign of racism. Whether the move is deemed logical or necessary in the end, it is perfectly reasonable for good, non-racist people to have the desire for their children to stay at (or be moved to) the better performing school.

You are throwing insults just because you aren't smart enough to make a post that actually contributes to the conversation.

Truth hurts. Schools don’t “perform.” Kids do.

There are plenty of high performing kids at Herndon, but Langley parents don’t want their kids around poor brown kids, even if it would shorten their bus rides.

7 creates an artificial geographic boundary between neighborhoods. Langley servers all side streets on one part and Herndon on the other part. The Langley buses already come down Georgetown Pike whereas the Herndon buses need to go out of their way to get to Georgetown Pike.

And Langley is on Georgetown Pike. People also work either in DC or Tysons which makes Langley convenient.

Both schools are under capacity - so why start a race war?

The first paragraph is factually incorrect. There are a number of areas on the “Herndon” side of Route 7 in Herndon, Reston, and Vienna that currently go to Langley.

Moving these or other areas to Herndon or other schools wouldn’t start a race war, unless you assume the Langley parents would launch one.

I'm talking about the boundary between Langley and Herndon and nope no Langley bus goes past 7 on Georgetown Pike. Move some (or a lot of) Herndon kids to Langley. Wouldn't that solve everyone's problems? Then I don't care - my commute and routine is in-tact. You can start a race war somewhere else.

There are Langley buses that go down Route 7.

No one is going to move more Herndon kids to Langley given Herndon's recent expansion. The converse is more likely given the growth in Tysons, which is closer to Langley than many other areas now at that school.

Your repeated references to a "race war" are telling. It says more about how Langley would react to redistricting than how anyone else would react.

Look at Chantilly and Centerville - they are way above capacity. Let's move Herndon kids. My position was on my commute and nothing else.

FCPS has committed to expanding Centreville, so no. No one cares about your commute.

Which won’t be done for over 5 years. These reviews are supposed to happen every 5. So it’s ok to leave schools busting at the seams but move kids from under enrolled schools to just cover up test scores. Because that’s all this is about

Langley parents would rather ensure that Chantilly and Centreville get rezoned twice within five years than take a chance that they might get moved into Herndon once.

Chantilly has far more compact boundaries than Langley and they should be preserved as long as possible.

I don’t disagree with you. I just don’t see how leaving one of if not the most overcrowded school as is for something that will happen 5+ years down the road is ok if you’re moving kids from under enrolled schools to balance numbers. Chantilly was brought up by the school board multiple times at boundary meetings i went to (both for passing of 8130 and at boundary review meetings)

Once more: Chantilly population is dropping over next year's. No one at Chantilly is near Herndon boundary.

Chantilly is near Westfield. And Westfield is near Herndon.

Chantilly does not need to lose anyone. The population is dropping. And, there are three high school boundaries between Chantilly High and Herndon.

Exactly this. Makes no sense to move neighborhoods out of Chantilly now. Those who keep bringing it up seem to have ulterior motives.

100%. Anyone who is saying that kids who live right near Chantilly should be sent to Herndon instead of sending Langley-zoned kids who live very close to HHS, is not arguing in good faith at all. Stop trying to make it only about numbers to avoid what is dead obvious to even a casual observer. Distance to the school matters too and you look silly pretending it doesn’t.

FWIW I wish they wouldn’t mess with any boundaries when there’s so much uncertainty being created by our country’s leaders. But if they’re going to go through with it, it’s not realistic to expect them not to touch the Langley/Herndon situation. That’s about as ripe for rezoning as anything in the county.

I don't think anyone should have to move. The numbers don't support it.

FWIW, we chose our home because of proximity to the schools. That was very important to us. I live in Chantilly boundary. Langley people picked their homes for other reasons. That is their decision. Other things were important to them.
Chantilly is slated to lose population. I cannot see any Chantilly neighborhood being redistricted to Herndon. It is not convenient.

We’re in Forestville area, and I think all agree that no one should be moved. The school board has pitted neighbors against neighbors here, and still hasn’t even articulated any actual goal.

They suck.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids Scout Troop is in Herndon. It has kids that attend Westfields, South Lakes, Chantilly, and Oakton HS. There might be a kid or two from Centerville. None of the kids have a particularly long drive to get to meetings. There are a lot of high schools close to each other in this area, I am pretty certain that the difference in drive from our house to SLHS, Herndon, and Chantilly is probably only a few minutes difference. Oakton is the furthest drive.

And where does your Scout troop meet?

In the Herndon area. No offense but I am not going to give information that helps identify on this site. There are Troops as small as 15 in the area and as large as 100. The area is dense and there are a good number of HS that I could see my kid moved to if they move our ES. I don't think they will but, in our area, I have 3 HS that are within a 15-minute drive and two that are 20 minutes away.

Boundary changes to properly utilize space would mean shifting a lot of boundaries and I don't think that the School Board is up for that level of chaos and confusion because of the large number of schools and pyramid shifts. The Chantilly, Westfields, Oakton families I know are very happy where they are. There are concerns at Chantilly because of the number of kids but no one I know has asked to move. The parents not happy at SLHS are unhappy because of the IB program not the student population or issues at the school. The parents I know at Herndon are happy there. The ripple effect would probably reach out past these specific schools and into Langley, which everyone has heard about.

It is a messy prospect but we all know that. Drop IB as a start and then look at how to offer the same AP classes at more schools in order to decrease the desire to principal place. Drop allowing people to principal place for language with the exception of kids who were in language immersion and continued their language through MS. That is going to be a small number of kids and probably only the Korean and Japanese since French and Spanish are offered in every school.

Exactly. That is what I thought. I suspect that it is one that meets very close to Coates elementary school in a very large church that draws from all over the area.

And, a 15 minute drive in a car is not a 15 minute drive on a school bus. A 15 minute drive for Scouts in the evening is not a 15 minute drive at rush hour in the morning. Especially now that people are going back to the office.

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Chantilly can't be expanded. It is on a tiny scrap of land.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any way to get the School Board to scale back the Centreville expansion to 2500 permanent seats (not 3000), cancel the Dunn Loring ES project, and use the savings to expand Chantilly to 2750 and McLean to 2500?

I cannot see why that would not make more sense than expanding Centreville to 3000, building an unnecessary 900-seat ES in Dunn Loring, and leaving McLean with under 2000 permanent seats.

If they did this, many of the boundary changes people are concerned about would be moot. If they don’t, it suggests they are neglecting to make sound investment decisions because they want to change boundaries for purely demographic reasons.

Chantilly has an extremely small footprint. Ironic, since when they gave away the site next to Carson, the excuse was that there was not enough land for a high school. Chantilly acreage is much smaller than King Abdullah acreage.

Expansion of Centreville makes far more sense. And, Chantilly population is going down. Anyone can look at the menbership numbers and see that.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids Scout Troop is in Herndon. It has kids that attend Westfields, South Lakes, Chantilly, and Oakton HS. There might be a kid or two from Centerville. None of the kids have a particularly long drive to get to meetings. There are a lot of high schools close to each other in this area, I am pretty certain that the difference in drive from our house to SLHS, Herndon, and Chantilly is probably only a few minutes difference. Oakton is the furthest drive.

What is "Westfields"?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Those stuck-up Langley folks really don’t like poor brown kids.

Your comment isn't witty or funny. Pretty classless, honestly. Parents not wanting their kids to be moved to a lower performing school is in no way a sign of racism. Whether the move is deemed logical or necessary in the end, it is perfectly reasonable for good, non-racist people to have the desire for their children to stay at (or be moved to) the better performing school.

You are throwing insults just because you aren't smart enough to make a post that actually contributes to the conversation.

Truth hurts. Schools don’t “perform.” Kids do.

There are plenty of high performing kids at Herndon, but Langley parents don’t want their kids around poor brown kids, even if it would shorten their bus rides.

7 creates an artificial geographic boundary between neighborhoods. Langley servers all side streets on one part and Herndon on the other part. The Langley buses already come down Georgetown Pike whereas the Herndon buses need to go out of their way to get to Georgetown Pike.

And Langley is on Georgetown Pike. People also work either in DC or Tysons which makes Langley convenient.

Both schools are under capacity - so why start a race war?

The first paragraph is factually incorrect. There are a number of areas on the “Herndon” side of Route 7 in Herndon, Reston, and Vienna that currently go to Langley.

Moving these or other areas to Herndon or other schools wouldn’t start a race war, unless you assume the Langley parents would launch one.

I'm talking about the boundary between Langley and Herndon and nope no Langley bus goes past 7 on Georgetown Pike. Move some (or a lot of) Herndon kids to Langley. Wouldn't that solve everyone's problems? Then I don't care - my commute and routine is in-tact. You can start a race war somewhere else.

There are Langley buses that go down Route 7.

No one is going to move more Herndon kids to Langley given Herndon's recent expansion. The converse is more likely given the growth in Tysons, which is closer to Langley than many other areas now at that school.

Your repeated references to a "race war" are telling. It says more about how Langley would react to redistricting than how anyone else would react.

Look at Chantilly and Centerville - they are way above capacity. Let's move Herndon kids. My position was on my commute and nothing else.

FCPS has committed to expanding Centreville, so no. No one cares about your commute.

Which won’t be done for over 5 years. These reviews are supposed to happen every 5. So it’s ok to leave schools busting at the seams but move kids from under enrolled schools to just cover up test scores. Because that’s all this is about

Langley parents would rather ensure that Chantilly and Centreville get rezoned twice within five years than take a chance that they might get moved into Herndon once.

Chantilly has far more compact boundaries than Langley and they should be preserved as long as possible.

I don’t disagree with you. I just don’t see how leaving one of if not the most overcrowded school as is for something that will happen 5+ years down the road is ok if you’re moving kids from under enrolled schools to balance numbers. Chantilly was brought up by the school board multiple times at boundary meetings i went to (both for passing of 8130 and at boundary review meetings)

Once more: Chantilly population is dropping over next year's. No one at Chantilly is near Herndon boundary.

Chantilly is near Westfield. And Westfield is near Herndon.

Chantilly does not need to lose anyone. The population is dropping. And, there are three high school boundaries between Chantilly High and Herndon.

Exactly this. Makes no sense to move neighborhoods out of Chantilly now. Those who keep bringing it up seem to have ulterior motives.

100%. Anyone who is saying that kids who live right near Chantilly should be sent to Herndon instead of sending Langley-zoned kids who live very close to HHS, is not arguing in good faith at all. Stop trying to make it only about numbers to avoid what is dead obvious to even a casual observer. Distance to the school matters too and you look silly pretending it doesn’t.

FWIW I wish they wouldn’t mess with any boundaries when there’s so much uncertainty being created by our country’s leaders. But if they’re going to go through with it, it’s not realistic to expect them not to touch the Langley/Herndon situation. That’s about as ripe for rezoning as anything in the county.

I don't think anyone should have to move. The numbers don't support it.

FWIW, we chose our home because of proximity to the schools. That was very important to us. I live in Chantilly boundary. Langley people picked their homes for other reasons. That is their decision. Other things were important to them.
Chantilly is slated to lose population. I cannot see any Chantilly neighborhood being redistricted to Herndon. It is not convenient.

Chantilly neighborhoods will not get moved directly to Herndon. However, some have suggested moving Chantilly neighborhoods to Westfield and Westfield neighborhoods to Herndon because they think it will eliminate the possibility of moving Langley neighborhoods to Herndon.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Those stuck-up Langley folks really don’t like poor brown kids.

Your comment isn't witty or funny. Pretty classless, honestly. Parents not wanting their kids to be moved to a lower performing school is in no way a sign of racism. Whether the move is deemed logical or necessary in the end, it is perfectly reasonable for good, non-racist people to have the desire for their children to stay at (or be moved to) the better performing school.

You are throwing insults just because you aren't smart enough to make a post that actually contributes to the conversation.

Truth hurts. Schools don’t “perform.” Kids do.

There are plenty of high performing kids at Herndon, but Langley parents don’t want their kids around poor brown kids, even if it would shorten their bus rides.

7 creates an artificial geographic boundary between neighborhoods. Langley servers all side streets on one part and Herndon on the other part. The Langley buses already come down Georgetown Pike whereas the Herndon buses need to go out of their way to get to Georgetown Pike.

And Langley is on Georgetown Pike. People also work either in DC or Tysons which makes Langley convenient.

Both schools are under capacity - so why start a race war?

The first paragraph is factually incorrect. There are a number of areas on the “Herndon” side of Route 7 in Herndon, Reston, and Vienna that currently go to Langley.

Moving these or other areas to Herndon or other schools wouldn’t start a race war, unless you assume the Langley parents would launch one.

I'm talking about the boundary between Langley and Herndon and nope no Langley bus goes past 7 on Georgetown Pike. Move some (or a lot of) Herndon kids to Langley. Wouldn't that solve everyone's problems? Then I don't care - my commute and routine is in-tact. You can start a race war somewhere else.

There are Langley buses that go down Route 7.

No one is going to move more Herndon kids to Langley given Herndon's recent expansion. The converse is more likely given the growth in Tysons, which is closer to Langley than many other areas now at that school.

Your repeated references to a "race war" are telling. It says more about how Langley would react to redistricting than how anyone else would react.

Look at Chantilly and Centerville - they are way above capacity. Let's move Herndon kids. My position was on my commute and nothing else.

FCPS has committed to expanding Centreville, so no. No one cares about your commute.

Which won’t be done for over 5 years. These reviews are supposed to happen every 5. So it’s ok to leave schools busting at the seams but move kids from under enrolled schools to just cover up test scores. Because that’s all this is about

Langley parents would rather ensure that Chantilly and Centreville get rezoned twice within five years than take a chance that they might get moved into Herndon once.

Chantilly has far more compact boundaries than Langley and they should be preserved as long as possible.

I don’t disagree with you. I just don’t see how leaving one of if not the most overcrowded school as is for something that will happen 5+ years down the road is ok if you’re moving kids from under enrolled schools to balance numbers. Chantilly was brought up by the school board multiple times at boundary meetings i went to (both for passing of 8130 and at boundary review meetings)

Once more: Chantilly population is dropping over next year's. No one at Chantilly is near Herndon boundary.

Chantilly is near Westfield. And Westfield is near Herndon.

Chantilly does not need to lose anyone. The population is dropping. And, there are three high school boundaries between Chantilly High and Herndon.

Exactly this. Makes no sense to move neighborhoods out of Chantilly now. Those who keep bringing it up seem to have ulterior motives.

100%. Anyone who is saying that kids who live right near Chantilly should be sent to Herndon instead of sending Langley-zoned kids who live very close to HHS, is not arguing in good faith at all. Stop trying to make it only about numbers to avoid what is dead obvious to even a casual observer. Distance to the school matters too and you look silly pretending it doesn’t.

FWIW I wish they wouldn’t mess with any boundaries when there’s so much uncertainty being created by our country’s leaders. But if they’re going to go through with it, it’s not realistic to expect them not to touch the Langley/Herndon situation. That’s about as ripe for rezoning as anything in the county.

I don't think anyone should have to move. The numbers don't support it.

FWIW, we chose our home because of proximity to the schools. That was very important to us. I live in Chantilly boundary. Langley people picked their homes for other reasons. That is their decision. Other things were important to them.
Chantilly is slated to lose population. I cannot see any Chantilly neighborhood being redistricted to Herndon. It is not convenient.

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A lot of the nearby boundaries are not convenient. Kids who could walk to CVHS go to FHS. Kids who live in Herndon are bused all the way out to WFHS.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any way to get the School Board to scale back the Centreville expansion to 2500 permanent seats (not 3000), cancel the Dunn Loring ES project, and use the savings to expand Chantilly to 2750 and McLean to 2500?

I cannot see why that would not make more sense than expanding Centreville to 3000, building an unnecessary 900-seat ES in Dunn Loring, and leaving McLean with under 2000 permanent seats.

If they did this, many of the boundary changes people are concerned about would be moot. If they don’t, it suggests they are neglecting to make sound investment decisions because they want to change boundaries for purely demographic reasons.

Chantilly has an extremely small footprint. Ironic, since when they gave away the site next to Carson, the excuse was that there was not enough land for a high school. Chantilly acreage is much smaller than King Abdullah acreage.

Expansion of Centreville makes far more sense. And, Chantilly population is going down. Anyone can look at the menbership numbers and see that.

Chantilly has exactly 1 less acre than Centreville (35 vs. 36); it had a 14-unit modular and 9 trailers this year; and it’s had an enrollment of 2800-2900 for years (but now projected to declined to around 2600 in five years).

They could expand the number of permanent seats at Chantilly and get rid of some of the temporary classrooms.

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The only possible reason to expand Centreville to more than 2500 seats would be if FCPS plans to move the Fairfax HS island to Centreville and let Fairfax HS be a small HS that only serves Fairfax City kids.

Otherwise FCPS is projecting Centreville’s enrollment will be under 2100 kids in five years.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Those stuck-up Langley folks really don’t like poor brown kids.

Your comment isn't witty or funny. Pretty classless, honestly. Parents not wanting their kids to be moved to a lower performing school is in no way a sign of racism. Whether the move is deemed logical or necessary in the end, it is perfectly reasonable for good, non-racist people to have the desire for their children to stay at (or be moved to) the better performing school.

You are throwing insults just because you aren't smart enough to make a post that actually contributes to the conversation.

Truth hurts. Schools don’t “perform.” Kids do.

There are plenty of high performing kids at Herndon, but Langley parents don’t want their kids around poor brown kids, even if it would shorten their bus rides.

7 creates an artificial geographic boundary between neighborhoods. Langley servers all side streets on one part and Herndon on the other part. The Langley buses already come down Georgetown Pike whereas the Herndon buses need to go out of their way to get to Georgetown Pike.

And Langley is on Georgetown Pike. People also work either in DC or Tysons which makes Langley convenient.

Both schools are under capacity - so why start a race war?

The first paragraph is factually incorrect. There are a number of areas on the “Herndon” side of Route 7 in Herndon, Reston, and Vienna that currently go to Langley.

Moving these or other areas to Herndon or other schools wouldn’t start a race war, unless you assume the Langley parents would launch one.

I'm talking about the boundary between Langley and Herndon and nope no Langley bus goes past 7 on Georgetown Pike. Move some (or a lot of) Herndon kids to Langley. Wouldn't that solve everyone's problems? Then I don't care - my commute and routine is in-tact. You can start a race war somewhere else.

There are Langley buses that go down Route 7.

No one is going to move more Herndon kids to Langley given Herndon's recent expansion. The converse is more likely given the growth in Tysons, which is closer to Langley than many other areas now at that school.

Your repeated references to a "race war" are telling. It says more about how Langley would react to redistricting than how anyone else would react.

Look at Chantilly and Centerville - they are way above capacity. Let's move Herndon kids. My position was on my commute and nothing else.

FCPS has committed to expanding Centreville, so no. No one cares about your commute.

Which won’t be done for over 5 years. These reviews are supposed to happen every 5. So it’s ok to leave schools busting at the seams but move kids from under enrolled schools to just cover up test scores. Because that’s all this is about

Langley parents would rather ensure that Chantilly and Centreville get rezoned twice within five years than take a chance that they might get moved into Herndon once.

Chantilly has far more compact boundaries than Langley and they should be preserved as long as possible.

I don’t disagree with you. I just don’t see how leaving one of if not the most overcrowded school as is for something that will happen 5+ years down the road is ok if you’re moving kids from under enrolled schools to balance numbers. Chantilly was brought up by the school board multiple times at boundary meetings i went to (both for passing of 8130 and at boundary review meetings)

Once more: Chantilly population is dropping over next year's. No one at Chantilly is near Herndon boundary.

Chantilly is near Westfield. And Westfield is near Herndon.

Chantilly does not need to lose anyone. The population is dropping. And, there are three high school boundaries between Chantilly High and Herndon.

Exactly this. Makes no sense to move neighborhoods out of Chantilly now. Those who keep bringing it up seem to have ulterior motives.

100%. Anyone who is saying that kids who live right near Chantilly should be sent to Herndon instead of sending Langley-zoned kids who live very close to HHS, is not arguing in good faith at all. Stop trying to make it only about numbers to avoid what is dead obvious to even a casual observer. Distance to the school matters too and you look silly pretending it doesn’t.

FWIW I wish they wouldn’t mess with any boundaries when there’s so much uncertainty being created by our country’s leaders. But if they’re going to go through with it, it’s not realistic to expect them not to touch the Langley/Herndon situation. That’s about as ripe for rezoning as anything in the county.

I don't think anyone should have to move. The numbers don't support it.

FWIW, we chose our home because of proximity to the schools. That was very important to us. I live in Chantilly boundary. Langley people picked their homes for other reasons. That is their decision. Other things were important to them.
Chantilly is slated to lose population. I cannot see any Chantilly neighborhood being redistricted to Herndon. It is not convenient.

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A lot of the nearby boundaries are not convenient. Kids who could walk to CVHS go to FHS. Kids who live in Herndon are bused all the way out to WFHS.

“All the way out…”? A lot of neighborhoods have Herndon addresses, including many outside the Town of Herndon, but the distance to Westfield isn’t as long as the distance others are currently traveling to Langley or Oakton.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the leaked map information posted on previous thread - what do people think are the chances of entire Wakefield Elementary School getting 5zoned to Poe and Annandale?

This is not on the BRAC agenda. Someone is screwing with you. There are no pre-planned maps. DCUM is good for fake news and angry Republicans. Don't take the bait.

Hate to inform you--but Democrats also want their kids to stay in their present schools.

I think that's what he's in-line with. The Republicans keep bringing up the DEI card as a motivation for rezoning and make that a plan to turn Fairfax Red. Langley/Herndon is an easy fire for them to light.

It's just bus routes and capacity.

It's documented that the Democrat-run school board began planning a county-wide boundary review/redraw due to the commitment to One Fairfax. The point of redoing Policy 8130 was to put a "One Fairfax Lens" on the way boundaries are drawn. "Equity" is at the center of this and it is unreasonable that the Democrats don't stand behind this principle. It is also wild that in a majority blue county anyone would think that the politicians acting according to their party's principles would make the people that voted for them because they are democrats change their votes to republican.

Here is the example - of the DEI card; This is the worse way to mix rich + poor kids is to bus them across county especially with Fairfax traffic. Please show your sources where the Dems explicitly stated that they are redistricting to mix rich + poor kids. Or is it one of those "they wont say that's what they are doing"?

The boundary rezoning has always been with capacity https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/opinions/more-space-for-fcps-students-policy-8130-for-redistricting-under-consideration/article_5e5f73fc-6634-11ef-9af9-b707b04d85e1.html The lone DEI officer is to maintain that one school isn't left behind somehow.

Maybe I’m not following you, but your post seems to attempt to make One Fairfax out to be a SES policy, rather than a racial equity policy. I get why you would want to make that argument, but it just isn’t accurate, if that is what you are trying to do.

If the boundary changes have always been about capacity, please inform us why the BRAC contains many special interest groups, including race-based special interest groups.

And can you also let us know why Mateo Dunne at the publicly-available October 8, 2024 meeting, around 4:02 indicated that he wanted the chief equity officer on certain committees because “One Fairfax”?

You all keep asserting that this isn’t equity-based redistricting and then we provide you with our receipts to show that it is.

Your receipts are - interest groups and a chief equity officer are present. This is circumstantial and not proof - they are there so no future complaints cannot be made such as: what you are implying. I'm looking for a document or meeting minutes that says that the boundary adjustment is about equity and not capacity. So far the meeting slides keep talking about capacity. And I hear the other side repeatedly say it's all about equity. Which is it? Show me the slides or meeting minutes.

Circumstantial and not proof? Wtf are you talking about? Look at policy 8130. At some point it’s less about you not seeing the evidence and more about you not wanting to believe it.

Items not in 8130: equity, race, or one fairfax.

Items in 8130: access to programming, proximity, capacity, transportation, minimizing disruption, minimizing transportation costs, aligning pyramids and eliminating split feeders, and supporting family involvement.

So, yes, I agree with what you said. “At some point it’s less about you not seeing evidence and more about you not wanting to believe it.”

Did you read “access to programming”? I’m guessing not?

Also, One Fairfax is policy for FCPS. They don’t need to cite to it in 8130.

Womp womp.

Per the Oxford dictionary:

“Equitable”: an adjective meaning fair and impartial.

You either don’t understand the English language, or you’re big mad that a public resource will be fairly distributed to everyone.

The school board can legally, and should, fairly distribute tax dollars to the schools and make sure to hire competent principals, teachers, staff, etc. They should make sure that all schools have textbooks, equipment and facilities in good repair, etc.

"rich" kids, white/asian kids, "rich" black kids, middle class hispanic kids, upper-class english language learners, middle class half persian/half german kids ---CHILDREN--are not a public resource to be distributed.

Your last paragraph may reflect your preferences, but it's not the law. School systems can and still do adjust school boundaries based on the economic characteristics of different neighborhoods.

People got used to FCPS adjusting school boundaries in ways that concentrated poverty at certain schools or widened demographic gaps between nearby schools. The fact this happened for over a decade with Democratic School Board members often leading the charged convinced the wealthier that this was the natural order of things. Now it looks like things may swing in the opposite direction, hence the predictable hissy fits from those used to always getting their way.

This seems like the Republican view - the lines were drawn under Republican rule. The whole equity thing came about when people complained that the rich kids were getting tutors for classes and tests. The idea was to give help to anyone that wanted it no one would get ahead simply because they had money in fcps anyways. Somehow this became a rally cry and spread fear, division, and mis-information. Agree or disagree - equity is to give everyone the same opportunity. Equity is not churni a melting pot.

No, equity is to make sure everyone gets to the same point. Please listen to the leader of the Democratic party. (She gives a less than one minute explanation) https://youtu.be/w4kowE_YIVw?si=fya5wtZSV6wGYvYT

"equitable treatment means that we all end up at the same place"

If everyone gets the same good curriculum, competent teachers, discipline, quality facilities, equipment, but does not end up at the same place, you have to try something else.

As it applies to boundaries, as much as possible they don't want 9/10 scores on Great Schools for some and 2/10 for others. If each school needs to be 5/10, or at least some 6/10 and others 5/10, that is preferable to having vast disparities in achievement and perceived value.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just looking at different boundaries on the CIP. Not familiar with this area but why is Katherine Johnson’s boundaries split with frost? It seems like rocky run is close to Katherine Johnson’s boundary and much lower enrollment than KJ. Do they all go to the same HS?

It is bizarre. The main island is Fairfax City but the offshoot is so bizarre. I can see them being pushed to Liberty (71% capacity in 2030) and Mantua moved in.

CIP predicts Centreville to be 69% in 2030 with no trailers. That easily pulls the random Fairfax island.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the leaked map information posted on previous thread - what do people think are the chances of entire Wakefield Elementary School getting 5zoned to Poe and Annandale?

This is not on the BRAC agenda. Someone is screwing with you. There are no pre-planned maps. DCUM is good for fake news and angry Republicans. Don't take the bait.

Hate to inform you--but Democrats also want their kids to stay in their present schools.

I think that's what he's in-line with. The Republicans keep bringing up the DEI card as a motivation for rezoning and make that a plan to turn Fairfax Red. Langley/Herndon is an easy fire for them to light.

It's just bus routes and capacity.

It's documented that the Democrat-run school board began planning a county-wide boundary review/redraw due to the commitment to One Fairfax. The point of redoing Policy 8130 was to put a "One Fairfax Lens" on the way boundaries are drawn. "Equity" is at the center of this and it is unreasonable that the Democrats don't stand behind this principle. It is also wild that in a majority blue county anyone would think that the politicians acting according to their party's principles would make the people that voted for them because they are democrats change their votes to republican.

Here is the example - of the DEI card; This is the worse way to mix rich + poor kids is to bus them across county especially with Fairfax traffic. Please show your sources where the Dems explicitly stated that they are redistricting to mix rich + poor kids. Or is it one of those "they wont say that's what they are doing"?

The boundary rezoning has always been with capacity https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/opinions/more-space-for-fcps-students-policy-8130-for-redistricting-under-consideration/article_5e5f73fc-6634-11ef-9af9-b707b04d85e1.html The lone DEI officer is to maintain that one school isn't left behind somehow.

Maybe I’m not following you, but your post seems to attempt to make One Fairfax out to be a SES policy, rather than a racial equity policy. I get why you would want to make that argument, but it just isn’t accurate, if that is what you are trying to do.

If the boundary changes have always been about capacity, please inform us why the BRAC contains many special interest groups, including race-based special interest groups.

And can you also let us know why Mateo Dunne at the publicly-available October 8, 2024 meeting, around 4:02 indicated that he wanted the chief equity officer on certain committees because “One Fairfax”?

You all keep asserting that this isn’t equity-based redistricting and then we provide you with our receipts to show that it is.

Your receipts are - interest groups and a chief equity officer are present. This is circumstantial and not proof - they are there so no future complaints cannot be made such as: what you are implying. I'm looking for a document or meeting minutes that says that the boundary adjustment is about equity and not capacity. So far the meeting slides keep talking about capacity. And I hear the other side repeatedly say it's all about equity. Which is it? Show me the slides or meeting minutes.

Circumstantial and not proof? Wtf are you talking about? Look at policy 8130. At some point it’s less about you not seeing the evidence and more about you not wanting to believe it.

Items not in 8130: equity, race, or one fairfax.

Items in 8130: access to programming, proximity, capacity, transportation, minimizing disruption, minimizing transportation costs, aligning pyramids and eliminating split feeders, and supporting family involvement.

So, yes, I agree with what you said. “At some point it’s less about you not seeing evidence and more about you not wanting to believe it.”

Did you read “access to programming”? I’m guessing not?

Also, One Fairfax is policy for FCPS. They don’t need to cite to it in 8130.

Womp womp.

Per the Oxford dictionary:

“Equitable”: an adjective meaning fair and impartial.

You either don’t understand the English language, or you’re big mad that a public resource will be fairly distributed to everyone.

The school board can legally, and should, fairly distribute tax dollars to the schools and make sure to hire competent principals, teachers, staff, etc. They should make sure that all schools have textbooks, equipment and facilities in good repair, etc.

"rich" kids, white/asian kids, "rich" black kids, middle class hispanic kids, upper-class english language learners, middle class half persian/half german kids ---CHILDREN--are not a public resource to be distributed.

Your last paragraph may reflect your preferences, but it's not the law. School systems can and still do adjust school boundaries based on the economic characteristics of different neighborhoods.

People got used to FCPS adjusting school boundaries in ways that concentrated poverty at certain schools or widened demographic gaps between nearby schools. The fact this happened for over a decade with Democratic School Board members often leading the charged convinced the wealthier that this was the natural order of things. Now it looks like things may swing in the opposite direction, hence the predictable hissy fits from those used to always getting their way.

This seems like the Republican view - the lines were drawn under Republican rule. The whole equity thing came about when people complained that the rich kids were getting tutors for classes and tests. The idea was to give help to anyone that wanted it no one would get ahead simply because they had money in fcps anyways. Somehow this became a rally cry and spread fear, division, and mis-information. Agree or disagree - equity is to give everyone the same opportunity. Equity is not churni a melting pot.

No, equity is to make sure everyone gets to the same point. Please listen to the leader of the Democratic party. (She gives a less than one minute explanation) https://youtu.be/w4kowE_YIVw?si=fya5wtZSV6wGYvYT

"equitable treatment means that we all end up at the same place"

If everyone gets the same good curriculum, competent teachers, discipline, quality facilities, equipment, but does not end up at the same place, you have to try something else.

As it applies to boundaries, as much as possible they don't want 9/10 scores on Great Schools for some and 2/10 for others. If each school needs to be 5/10, or at least some 6/10 and others 5/10, that is preferable to having vast disparities in achievement and perceived value.

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Thank you. “Equity” - when that concept/action is applied by FCPS, means one very specific, impactful goal:

EQUITY OF OUTCOME

That type of equity is very, VERY different than “equity of opportunity.” FCPS wants “equity of outcome.”

Think about the implications here for your child.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the leaked map information posted on previous thread - what do people think are the chances of entire Wakefield Elementary School getting 5zoned to Poe and Annandale?

This is not on the BRAC agenda. Someone is screwing with you. There are no pre-planned maps. DCUM is good for fake news and angry Republicans. Don't take the bait.

Hate to inform you--but Democrats also want their kids to stay in their present schools.

I think that's what he's in-line with. The Republicans keep bringing up the DEI card as a motivation for rezoning and make that a plan to turn Fairfax Red. Langley/Herndon is an easy fire for them to light.

It's just bus routes and capacity.

It's documented that the Democrat-run school board began planning a county-wide boundary review/redraw due to the commitment to One Fairfax. The point of redoing Policy 8130 was to put a "One Fairfax Lens" on the way boundaries are drawn. "Equity" is at the center of this and it is unreasonable that the Democrats don't stand behind this principle. It is also wild that in a majority blue county anyone would think that the politicians acting according to their party's principles would make the people that voted for them because they are democrats change their votes to republican.

Here is the example - of the DEI card; This is the worse way to mix rich + poor kids is to bus them across county especially with Fairfax traffic. Please show your sources where the Dems explicitly stated that they are redistricting to mix rich + poor kids. Or is it one of those "they wont say that's what they are doing"?

The boundary rezoning has always been with capacity https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/opinions/more-space-for-fcps-students-policy-8130-for-redistricting-under-consideration/article_5e5f73fc-6634-11ef-9af9-b707b04d85e1.html The lone DEI officer is to maintain that one school isn't left behind somehow.

Maybe I’m not following you, but your post seems to attempt to make One Fairfax out to be a SES policy, rather than a racial equity policy. I get why you would want to make that argument, but it just isn’t accurate, if that is what you are trying to do.

If the boundary changes have always been about capacity, please inform us why the BRAC contains many special interest groups, including race-based special interest groups.

And can you also let us know why Mateo Dunne at the publicly-available October 8, 2024 meeting, around 4:02 indicated that he wanted the chief equity officer on certain committees because “One Fairfax”?

You all keep asserting that this isn’t equity-based redistricting and then we provide you with our receipts to show that it is.

Your receipts are - interest groups and a chief equity officer are present. This is circumstantial and not proof - they are there so no future complaints cannot be made such as: what you are implying. I'm looking for a document or meeting minutes that says that the boundary adjustment is about equity and not capacity. So far the meeting slides keep talking about capacity. And I hear the other side repeatedly say it's all about equity. Which is it? Show me the slides or meeting minutes.

Circumstantial and not proof? Wtf are you talking about? Look at policy 8130. At some point it’s less about you not seeing the evidence and more about you not wanting to believe it.

Items not in 8130: equity, race, or one fairfax.

Items in 8130: access to programming, proximity, capacity, transportation, minimizing disruption, minimizing transportation costs, aligning pyramids and eliminating split feeders, and supporting family involvement.

So, yes, I agree with what you said. “At some point it’s less about you not seeing evidence and more about you not wanting to believe it.”

Did you read “access to programming”? I’m guessing not?

Also, One Fairfax is policy for FCPS. They don’t need to cite to it in 8130.

Womp womp.

Per the Oxford dictionary:

“Equitable”: an adjective meaning fair and impartial.

You either don’t understand the English language, or you’re big mad that a public resource will be fairly distributed to everyone.

The school board can legally, and should, fairly distribute tax dollars to the schools and make sure to hire competent principals, teachers, staff, etc. They should make sure that all schools have textbooks, equipment and facilities in good repair, etc.

"rich" kids, white/asian kids, "rich" black kids, middle class hispanic kids, upper-class english language learners, middle class half persian/half german kids ---CHILDREN--are not a public resource to be distributed.

Your last paragraph may reflect your preferences, but it's not the law. School systems can and still do adjust school boundaries based on the economic characteristics of different neighborhoods.

People got used to FCPS adjusting school boundaries in ways that concentrated poverty at certain schools or widened demographic gaps between nearby schools. The fact this happened for over a decade with Democratic School Board members often leading the charged convinced the wealthier that this was the natural order of things. Now it looks like things may swing in the opposite direction, hence the predictable hissy fits from those used to always getting their way.

This seems like the Republican view - the lines were drawn under Republican rule. The whole equity thing came about when people complained that the rich kids were getting tutors for classes and tests. The idea was to give help to anyone that wanted it no one would get ahead simply because they had money in fcps anyways. Somehow this became a rally cry and spread fear, division, and mis-information. Agree or disagree - equity is to give everyone the same opportunity. Equity is not churni a melting pot.

No, equity is to make sure everyone gets to the same point. Please listen to the leader of the Democratic party. (She gives a less than one minute explanation) https://youtu.be/w4kowE_YIVw?si=fya5wtZSV6wGYvYT

"equitable treatment means that we all end up at the same place"

If everyone gets the same good curriculum, competent teachers, discipline, quality facilities, equipment, but does not end up at the same place, you have to try something else.

As it applies to boundaries, as much as possible they don't want 9/10 scores on Great Schools for some and 2/10 for others. If each school needs to be 5/10, or at least some 6/10 and others 5/10, that is preferable to having vast disparities in achievement and perceived value.

NP.

Thank you. “Equity” - when that concept/action is applied by FCPS, means one very specific, impactful goal:

EQUITY OF OUTCOME

That type of equity is very, VERY different than “equity of opportunity.” FCPS wants “equity of outcome.”

Think about the implications here for your child.

I understand that the politicians who run for the School Board think they need to mimic the “equity” arguments of Ibram Kendi and Kamala Harris to get the endorsements of the FCDC, but they don’t represent the views of most county residents, including the Democratic voters (who are generally closer to the center than the FCDC activists are).

If they really mess with boundaries it will backfire on them badly. It will also mean the end of the political careers of local supervisors like McKay, Alcorn, Walkinshaw, Palchik, and Bierman.

Maybe they want to FAFO, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if they are getting a message behind the scenes to tread carefully. This isn’t the mid-1980s any longer, so pretending they can redistrict the way they may have decades ago is very foolish.