Petition: Later MCPS school start times

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Anonymous wrote:So many decisions are made based on free transportation. Snow days, flooded roads, start times, end times. It’s ridiculous. We need to do away with school buses, boost the public buses and make decisions based on what’s best for our kids.

Seriously? We’re going to have public buses running through all the developments and cul-de-sacs of MoCo? Or are kids going to walk a mile out of their neighborhoods to get to the main roads?

Many areas don't have easy access to public transportation. The MCPS rule for HS is 2 miles regardless of the conditions. We have two major roads and few street have sidewalks. We have to drive back and forth. So, the early start is better to drop off before work.

That is incorrect. MCPS provides school bus service to a lot of high school students who live less than 2 miles from the high school.

We don’t get bus service and we are slightly less than two mikes. So, maybe only your rich school. So, we have to drive. A late start would be an issue with driving so if you want the late start we need a school bus.

You don't HAVE to drive. You CHOOSE to drive. I might make the same choice as you, under the circumstances (which I don't know what they are), but it is a choice. It is certainly not impossible for most high school students to walk 35 minutes to school and 35 minutes home.

Let’s see. We have multiple major roads, few sidewalks, not grossing guards, it’s dark out when they have to leave….i don’t see that as a choice. And, if they walked home 35 minutes they’d be late for other things. Not all of our kids sit home playing on their phones.

That part is totally a choice.

Its not a choice if thats the time the activity is scheduled.

It's a choice to do that activity.

The BOE also chose to make things the way they are now when they reviewed this a couple years ago. The matter is settled.

The BoE can change their collective mind. Nothing prohibiting it.

Never, this was the best possible solution. The matter is closed. Time to let it go.

Why? It's clear that adolescents do better getting up later due to circadian rhythm changes.

My astrologer told me the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:So many decisions are made based on free transportation. Snow days, flooded roads, start times, end times. It’s ridiculous. We need to do away with school buses, boost the public buses and make decisions based on what’s best for our kids.

Seriously? We’re going to have public buses running through all the developments and cul-de-sacs of MoCo? Or are kids going to walk a mile out of their neighborhoods to get to the main roads?

Many areas don't have easy access to public transportation. The MCPS rule for HS is 2 miles regardless of the conditions. We have two major roads and few street have sidewalks. We have to drive back and forth. So, the early start is better to drop off before work.

That is incorrect. MCPS provides school bus service to a lot of high school students who live less than 2 miles from the high school.

We don’t get bus service and we are slightly less than two mikes. So, maybe only your rich school. So, we have to drive. A late start would be an issue with driving so if you want the late start we need a school bus.

You don't HAVE to drive. You CHOOSE to drive. I might make the same choice as you, under the circumstances (which I don't know what they are), but it is a choice. It is certainly not impossible for most high school students to walk 35 minutes to school and 35 minutes home.

Let’s see. We have multiple major roads, few sidewalks, not grossing guards, it’s dark out when they have to leave….i don’t see that as a choice. And, if they walked home 35 minutes they’d be late for other things. Not all of our kids sit home playing on their phones.

That part is totally a choice.

Its not a choice if thats the time the activity is scheduled.

It's a choice to do that activity.

The BOE also chose to make things the way they are now when they reviewed this a couple years ago. The matter is settled.

The BoE can change their collective mind. Nothing prohibiting it.

Never, this was the best possible solution. The matter is closed. Time to let it go.

Why? It's clear that adolescents do better getting up later due to circadian rhythm changes.

No they don't. Get out of bed and get your day started. When there are unique schedule days for testing, 2 hour delays or other special situations, the same students that are late at 7:30am are late at 10am. The same students that aren't ready to learn at 7:30am aren't ready to learn at a later start. Get your kid in bed earlier and stop raising lazy humans.

Who cares if peer review science has shown otherwise again and again. The earth is flat. Covid never killed anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:So many decisions are made based on free transportation. Snow days, flooded roads, start times, end times. It’s ridiculous. We need to do away with school buses, boost the public buses and make decisions based on what’s best for our kids.

Seriously? We’re going to have public buses running through all the developments and cul-de-sacs of MoCo? Or are kids going to walk a mile out of their neighborhoods to get to the main roads?

Many areas don't have easy access to public transportation. The MCPS rule for HS is 2 miles regardless of the conditions. We have two major roads and few street have sidewalks. We have to drive back and forth. So, the early start is better to drop off before work.

That is incorrect. MCPS provides school bus service to a lot of high school students who live less than 2 miles from the high school.

We don’t get bus service and we are slightly less than two mikes. So, maybe only your rich school. So, we have to drive. A late start would be an issue with driving so if you want the late start we need a school bus.

You don't HAVE to drive. You CHOOSE to drive. I might make the same choice as you, under the circumstances (which I don't know what they are), but it is a choice. It is certainly not impossible for most high school students to walk 35 minutes to school and 35 minutes home.

Let’s see. We have multiple major roads, few sidewalks, not grossing guards, it’s dark out when they have to leave….i don’t see that as a choice. And, if they walked home 35 minutes they’d be late for other things. Not all of our kids sit home playing on their phones.

That part is totally a choice.

Its not a choice if thats the time the activity is scheduled.

It's a choice to do that activity.

The BOE also chose to make things the way they are now when they reviewed this a couple years ago. The matter is settled.

The BoE can change their collective mind. Nothing prohibiting it.

Never, this was the best possible solution. The matter is closed. Time to let it go.

Why? It's clear that adolescents do better getting up later due to circadian rhythm changes.

No they don't. Get out of bed and get your day started. When there are unique schedule days for testing, 2 hour delays or other special situations, the same students that are late at 7:30am are late at 10am. The same students that aren't ready to learn at 7:30am aren't ready to learn at a later start. Get your kid in bed earlier and stop raising lazy humans.

Who cares if peer review science has shown otherwise again and again. The earth is flat. Covid never killed anyone.

Or even fake pseudo science if it makes my job as a parent easier...

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Anonymous wrote:So many decisions are made based on free transportation. Snow days, flooded roads, start times, end times. It’s ridiculous. We need to do away with school buses, boost the public buses and make decisions based on what’s best for our kids.

Seriously? We’re going to have public buses running through all the developments and cul-de-sacs of MoCo? Or are kids going to walk a mile out of their neighborhoods to get to the main roads?

Many areas don't have easy access to public transportation. The MCPS rule for HS is 2 miles regardless of the conditions. We have two major roads and few street have sidewalks. We have to drive back and forth. So, the early start is better to drop off before work.

That is incorrect. MCPS provides school bus service to a lot of high school students who live less than 2 miles from the high school.

We don’t get bus service and we are slightly less than two mikes. So, maybe only your rich school. So, we have to drive. A late start would be an issue with driving so if you want the late start we need a school bus.

You don't HAVE to drive. You CHOOSE to drive. I might make the same choice as you, under the circumstances (which I don't know what they are), but it is a choice. It is certainly not impossible for most high school students to walk 35 minutes to school and 35 minutes home.

Let’s see. We have multiple major roads, few sidewalks, not grossing guards, it’s dark out when they have to leave….i don’t see that as a choice. And, if they walked home 35 minutes they’d be late for other things. Not all of our kids sit home playing on their phones.

That part is totally a choice.

Its not a choice if thats the time the activity is scheduled.

It's a choice to do that activity.

The BOE also chose to make things the way they are now when they reviewed this a couple years ago. The matter is settled.

The BoE can change their collective mind. Nothing prohibiting it.

Never, this was the best possible solution. The matter is closed. Time to let it go.

Why? It's clear that adolescents do better getting up later due to circadian rhythm changes.

No they don't. Get out of bed and get your day started. When there are unique schedule days for testing, 2 hour delays or other special situations, the same students that are late at 7:30am are late at 10am. The same students that aren't ready to learn at 7:30am aren't ready to learn at a later start. Get your kid in bed earlier and stop raising lazy humans.

Who cares if peer review science has shown otherwise again and again. The earth is flat. Covid never killed anyone.

Time to grow up and handle your home and kids.

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Anonymous wrote:If they would only limit sports practices to an hour this could be easily solved!

How would that help. Not all sports are at school.

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Anonymous wrote:So many decisions are made based on free transportation. Snow days, flooded roads, start times, end times. It’s ridiculous. We need to do away with school buses, boost the public buses and make decisions based on what’s best for our kids.

Seriously? We’re going to have public buses running through all the developments and cul-de-sacs of MoCo? Or are kids going to walk a mile out of their neighborhoods to get to the main roads?

Many areas don't have easy access to public transportation. The MCPS rule for HS is 2 miles regardless of the conditions. We have two major roads and few street have sidewalks. We have to drive back and forth. So, the early start is better to drop off before work.

That is incorrect. MCPS provides school bus service to a lot of high school students who live less than 2 miles from the high school.

And mostly when there are major roads to cross.

We have two major roads in several different directions. Multiple more other directions. No crossing guards.

We live a little less than 2 miles from our high school and our kids have to cross a multi lane state route without a crossing guard (although there are traffic lights) and we don’t get bus service, despite families appealing to the school district. How major does a major road have to be for high school students who live less than 2 miles from their school to get bus service?

It depends on the area. B-CC kids who live across Connecticut Ave get school bus service. Wheaton kids and Einstein kids who live across Connecticut Ave are expected to walk.

There is Conn., Viers Mill, University, and Georgia for these kids. So, someone want them walking in the dark, not all housing areas have sidewalks, for up to two miles.

Yes, the kids walk, or take public buses.

Public busses don't go everywhere.

So if there aren't public buses for the kids to take, then the kids walk. If Connecticut Ave is safe for Wheaton HS and Einstein HS kids to cross, then it's also safe for B-CC HS kids to cross. If Connecticut Ave is unsafe for B-CC HS kids to cross, then it's also unsafe for Wheaton HS and Einstein HS kids to cross. So, which is it?

I don’t think it’s safe for any of them.

Which means that MCPS should have to spend even more money on school buses and school bus drivers, because the roads aren't safe. Which even further constrains MCPS's ability to adjust school start times.

I don’t want start times changed. It would mess up driving and activities for us. They should provide more bus service. Two miles is not all that close in the dark, rain, cold.

What do you think they should cut, in order to provide even more bus service?

Also are you saying that typical high school students are incapable of walking 40 minutes one way when it's raining or chilly (it is rarely actually cold in Montgomery County)? Or riding a bike for 10-15 minutes, one way.

As a responsible parent, no I don't want my kids walking in the dark, cold, rain, or snow crossing multiple major roads and other streets with no sidewalks. And, no, I don't want them riding their bikes that distance with a heavy backpack, their instruments, and more. You must live in a nicer cushy area but for us, it looks very different.

So, we will drive them and moving it later would really mess up things.

DCUM's gonna DCUM.

But yes, you do have the choice of driving your kids to school.

No, it’s not. They’d have to walk in the dark, cold, almost two miles across several major roads and many more without sidewalks. It’s safety. Or, should they just not go to school?

Most of the year, it's not cold. It's only dark in the mornings for some of the year. It's never dark in the afternoons. What do the other kids in your neighborhood do?

Parents, rides with others. I see very few walking.

Have you considered any of those alternative choices for getting your kids to school?

I’m not having my teen in the car with a newer driver. Mine cannot drive for a few years. So, we arranged our schedules to make it work. So, things should be harder on my family because you cannot send your kids to bed and enforce it. Clearly your kids run your home.

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Anonymous wrote:So many decisions are made based on free transportation. Snow days, flooded roads, start times, end times. It’s ridiculous. We need to do away with school buses, boost the public buses and make decisions based on what’s best for our kids.

Seriously? We’re going to have public buses running through all the developments and cul-de-sacs of MoCo? Or are kids going to walk a mile out of their neighborhoods to get to the main roads?

Many areas don't have easy access to public transportation. The MCPS rule for HS is 2 miles regardless of the conditions. We have two major roads and few street have sidewalks. We have to drive back and forth. So, the early start is better to drop off before work.

That is incorrect. MCPS provides school bus service to a lot of high school students who live less than 2 miles from the high school.

And mostly when there are major roads to cross.

We have two major roads in several different directions. Multiple more other directions. No crossing guards.

We live a little less than 2 miles from our high school and our kids have to cross a multi lane state route without a crossing guard (although there are traffic lights) and we don’t get bus service, despite families appealing to the school district. How major does a major road have to be for high school students who live less than 2 miles from their school to get bus service?

It depends on the area. B-CC kids who live across Connecticut Ave get school bus service. Wheaton kids and Einstein kids who live across Connecticut Ave are expected to walk.

There is Conn., Viers Mill, University, and Georgia for these kids. So, someone want them walking in the dark, not all housing areas have sidewalks, for up to two miles.

Yes, the kids walk, or take public buses.

Public busses don't go everywhere.

So if there aren't public buses for the kids to take, then the kids walk. If Connecticut Ave is safe for Wheaton HS and Einstein HS kids to cross, then it's also safe for B-CC HS kids to cross. If Connecticut Ave is unsafe for B-CC HS kids to cross, then it's also unsafe for Wheaton HS and Einstein HS kids to cross. So, which is it?

I don’t think it’s safe for any of them.

Which means that MCPS should have to spend even more money on school buses and school bus drivers, because the roads aren't safe. Which even further constrains MCPS's ability to adjust school start times.

I don’t want start times changed. It would mess up driving and activities for us. They should provide more bus service. Two miles is not all that close in the dark, rain, cold.

What do you think they should cut, in order to provide even more bus service?

Also are you saying that typical high school students are incapable of walking 40 minutes one way when it's raining or chilly (it is rarely actually cold in Montgomery County)? Or riding a bike for 10-15 minutes, one way.

As a responsible parent, no I don't want my kids walking in the dark, cold, rain, or snow crossing multiple major roads and other streets with no sidewalks. And, no, I don't want them riding their bikes that distance with a heavy backpack, their instruments, and more. You must live in a nicer cushy area but for us, it looks very different.

So, we will drive them and moving it later would really mess up things.

DCUM's gonna DCUM.

But yes, you do have the choice of driving your kids to school.

No, it’s not. They’d have to walk in the dark, cold, almost two miles across several major roads and many more without sidewalks. It’s safety. Or, should they just not go to school?

Most of the year, it's not cold. It's only dark in the mornings for some of the year. It's never dark in the afternoons. What do the other kids in your neighborhood do?

Parents, rides with others. I see very few walking.

Have you considered any of those alternative choices for getting your kids to school?

I’m not having my teen in the car with a newer driver. Mine cannot drive for a few years. So, we arranged our schedules to make it work. So, things should be harder on my family because you cannot send your kids to bed and enforce it. Clearly your kids run your home.

More choices that you have made.

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Anonymous wrote:So many decisions are made based on free transportation. Snow days, flooded roads, start times, end times. It’s ridiculous. We need to do away with school buses, boost the public buses and make decisions based on what’s best for our kids.

Seriously? We’re going to have public buses running through all the developments and cul-de-sacs of MoCo? Or are kids going to walk a mile out of their neighborhoods to get to the main roads?

Many areas don't have easy access to public transportation. The MCPS rule for HS is 2 miles regardless of the conditions. We have two major roads and few street have sidewalks. We have to drive back and forth. So, the early start is better to drop off before work.

That is incorrect. MCPS provides school bus service to a lot of high school students who live less than 2 miles from the high school.

And mostly when there are major roads to cross.

We have two major roads in several different directions. Multiple more other directions. No crossing guards.

We live a little less than 2 miles from our high school and our kids have to cross a multi lane state route without a crossing guard (although there are traffic lights) and we don’t get bus service, despite families appealing to the school district. How major does a major road have to be for high school students who live less than 2 miles from their school to get bus service?

It depends on the area. B-CC kids who live across Connecticut Ave get school bus service. Wheaton kids and Einstein kids who live across Connecticut Ave are expected to walk.

There is Conn., Viers Mill, University, and Georgia for these kids. So, someone want them walking in the dark, not all housing areas have sidewalks, for up to two miles.

Yes, the kids walk, or take public buses.

Public busses don't go everywhere.

So if there aren't public buses for the kids to take, then the kids walk. If Connecticut Ave is safe for Wheaton HS and Einstein HS kids to cross, then it's also safe for B-CC HS kids to cross. If Connecticut Ave is unsafe for B-CC HS kids to cross, then it's also unsafe for Wheaton HS and Einstein HS kids to cross. So, which is it?

I don’t think it’s safe for any of them.

Which means that MCPS should have to spend even more money on school buses and school bus drivers, because the roads aren't safe. Which even further constrains MCPS's ability to adjust school start times.

I don’t want start times changed. It would mess up driving and activities for us. They should provide more bus service. Two miles is not all that close in the dark, rain, cold.

What do you think they should cut, in order to provide even more bus service?

Also are you saying that typical high school students are incapable of walking 40 minutes one way when it's raining or chilly (it is rarely actually cold in Montgomery County)? Or riding a bike for 10-15 minutes, one way.

As a responsible parent, no I don't want my kids walking in the dark, cold, rain, or snow crossing multiple major roads and other streets with no sidewalks. And, no, I don't want them riding their bikes that distance with a heavy backpack, their instruments, and more. You must live in a nicer cushy area but for us, it looks very different.

So, we will drive them and moving it later would really mess up things.

DCUM's gonna DCUM.

But yes, you do have the choice of driving your kids to school.

No, it’s not. They’d have to walk in the dark, cold, almost two miles across several major roads and many more without sidewalks. It’s safety. Or, should they just not go to school?

Most of the year, it's not cold. It's only dark in the mornings for some of the year. It's never dark in the afternoons. What do the other kids in your neighborhood do?

Parents, rides with others. I see very few walking.

Have you considered any of those alternative choices for getting your kids to school?

I’m not having my teen in the car with a newer driver. Mine cannot drive for a few years. So, we arranged our schedules to make it work. So, things should be harder on my family because you cannot send your kids to bed and enforce it. Clearly your kids run your home.

More choices that you have made.

Yes, we choose to support our kids by getting them to school on time, picking them up and taking them to their activities - things that interest them that they choose. And, yet, you can't get your kids to go to bed or wake up. Maybe you are the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree the matter was settled years ago. The OP just can't seem to accept this.

Nothing is settled forever.

But this seems to be settled for now since nothing has changed.

Dissatisfied people are free to lobby for change.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree the matter was settled years ago. The OP just can't seem to accept this.

Nothing is settled forever.

But this seems to be settled for now since nothing has changed.

Dissatisfied people are free to lobby for change.

But it's a waste of time since the matter was already settled.

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Nothing is ever settled! ALL Anne Arundel Public middle schools start at 9:15 a.m. They shifted their sports program to the after hours and are not experiencing any problems.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree the matter was settled years ago. The OP just can't seem to accept this.

Nothing is settled forever.

But this seems to be settled for now since nothing has changed.

Dissatisfied people are free to lobby for change.

But it's a waste of time since the matter was already settled.

"Settled" only means one group of people decided something. It doesn't mean another group can't decide something else.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree the matter was settled years ago. The OP just can't seem to accept this.

Nothing is settled forever.

But this seems to be settled for now since nothing has changed.

Dissatisfied people are free to lobby for change.

But it's a waste of time since the matter was already settled.

You’re a very black and white thinker, very rigid. Other people are more flexible. Flexible people can agitate for whatever they want. I’m sorry that unsettles you.

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Anonymous wrote:So many decisions are made based on free transportation. Snow days, flooded roads, start times, end times. It’s ridiculous. We need to do away with school buses, boost the public buses and make decisions based on what’s best for our kids.

Seriously? We’re going to have public buses running through all the developments and cul-de-sacs of MoCo? Or are kids going to walk a mile out of their neighborhoods to get to the main roads?

Many areas don't have easy access to public transportation. The MCPS rule for HS is 2 miles regardless of the conditions. We have two major roads and few street have sidewalks. We have to drive back and forth. So, the early start is better to drop off before work.

That is incorrect. MCPS provides school bus service to a lot of high school students who live less than 2 miles from the high school.

And mostly when there are major roads to cross.

We have two major roads in several different directions. Multiple more other directions. No crossing guards.

We live a little less than 2 miles from our high school and our kids have to cross a multi lane state route without a crossing guard (although there are traffic lights) and we don’t get bus service, despite families appealing to the school district. How major does a major road have to be for high school students who live less than 2 miles from their school to get bus service?

It depends on the area. B-CC kids who live across Connecticut Ave get school bus service. Wheaton kids and Einstein kids who live across Connecticut Ave are expected to walk.

There is Conn., Viers Mill, University, and Georgia for these kids. So, someone want them walking in the dark, not all housing areas have sidewalks, for up to two miles.

Yes, the kids walk, or take public buses.

Public busses don't go everywhere.

So if there aren't public buses for the kids to take, then the kids walk. If Connecticut Ave is safe for Wheaton HS and Einstein HS kids to cross, then it's also safe for B-CC HS kids to cross. If Connecticut Ave is unsafe for B-CC HS kids to cross, then it's also unsafe for Wheaton HS and Einstein HS kids to cross. So, which is it?

I don’t think it’s safe for any of them.

Which means that MCPS should have to spend even more money on school buses and school bus drivers, because the roads aren't safe. Which even further constrains MCPS's ability to adjust school start times.

I don’t want start times changed. It would mess up driving and activities for us. They should provide more bus service. Two miles is not all that close in the dark, rain, cold.

What do you think they should cut, in order to provide even more bus service?

Also are you saying that typical high school students are incapable of walking 40 minutes one way when it's raining or chilly (it is rarely actually cold in Montgomery County)? Or riding a bike for 10-15 minutes, one way.

As a responsible parent, no I don't want my kids walking in the dark, cold, rain, or snow crossing multiple major roads and other streets with no sidewalks. And, no, I don't want them riding their bikes that distance with a heavy backpack, their instruments, and more. You must live in a nicer cushy area but for us, it looks very different.

So, we will drive them and moving it later would really mess up things.

DCUM's gonna DCUM.

But yes, you do have the choice of driving your kids to school.

No, it’s not. They’d have to walk in the dark, cold, almost two miles across several major roads and many more without sidewalks. It’s safety. Or, should they just not go to school?

Most of the year, it's not cold. It's only dark in the mornings for some of the year. It's never dark in the afternoons. What do the other kids in your neighborhood do?

Parents, rides with others. I see very few walking.

Have you considered any of those alternative choices for getting your kids to school?

I’m not having my teen in the car with a newer driver. Mine cannot drive for a few years. So, we arranged our schedules to make it work. So, things should be harder on my family because you cannot send your kids to bed and enforce it. Clearly your kids run your home.

More choices that you have made.

Yes, we choose to support our kids by getting them to school on time, picking them up and taking them to their activities - things that interest them that they choose. And, yet, you can't get your kids to go to bed or wake up. Maybe you are the problem.

They are the problem. Some of us understand this is no easy solution and we need to just make the best of it.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree the matter was settled years ago. The OP just can't seem to accept this.

Nothing is settled forever.

But this seems to be settled for now since nothing has changed.

Dissatisfied people are free to lobby for change.

But it's a waste of time since the matter was already settled.

You’re a very black and white thinker, very rigid. Other people are more flexible. Flexible people can agitate for whatever they want. I’m sorry that unsettles you.

True but because we've been over this and its settled they will accomplish nothing.