All Around Best - U of Michigan, U of Florida and U of Virginia

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread was designed to try to slide Florida in with UVA and Michigan. First, sorry about the Michigan and/or UVA rejections. Second, no one seriously believes Florida is in the same league as those two pkaces.

Florida is a perfectly fine school for many majors, especially instate students. But Michigan with a business degree over rides UF and UVA 100%. Michigan connections are far reaching.

As a graduate of UF I would not recommend it is way too big. Football fun that's it. Florida does have Shands attached so medical student majors maybe.

And who in their right mind sends their kid to Death DeSantis state at this point in time?

Michigan Ross is great, but not above UVA McIntire.

Please show any "rankings" that have UVA ahead of UM in Business.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall

UVA isn't even the best ACC school according to this.

And according to this

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges-for-business/

it isn't even the best in the state of Virginia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: U of Michigan, U of Florida and U of Virginia are the All Around Best schools. These three schools are all top 30 ranked schools based on US News and World Report that have strong Division IA sports teams, reasonable tuition (especially for in-state) and students/alumni that actually love attending the school.

Relating to the "top 10" thread, those schools only admit a small number of students (and those are typically legacy, minority, or sports hooks) and cost $75,000 plus per year.

Among the Publics, UC Berkeley, UCLA and U Mich are in a category of their own. All around great schools, many top programs - STEM and non-STEM. I'd add UVA to this category if your focus is exclusively on non-STEM. On par with most top Private schools. All other publics are a step below and you'd choose to attend one of them if the specific program you are interested in ranked high relative to the cost of attendance. For example, UC SD, U Wash, Austin, Georgia Tech, UIUC, Purdue, UMD are all great STEM schools, better than UVA in STEM and waaaay better than Florida. Actually not sure why Florida is ranked 30..

Are they really? If you survey UCLA and Berkeley undergraduate alumni in particular, would they think they had a great experience compared to other schools? I don't think they will (look at Niche, alumni giving rates). If you look at earnings and compare to other schools after adjusting for cost of living where graduates settle and what they major in, do they do better than other public schools? Again, I don't think so.

If you survey the alumni or ANY school, the majority of them will say they had a great experience. I have 2 friends, one works for the post office and the other is the CEO of a mid-size company. Both are extremely happy with their families/lives despite their disparities. Still doesn't negate the fact that the CEO dude's quality of life and life experiences are miles ahead of the other's.

I come across this POV all the time.. earnings adjusted for COL are the same across the country. That may be, at a point in time. However, over 30 years of employment, you also save and invest, buy homes that appreciate, have opportunities that don't even exist at other places, etc. Every friend of mine who chose to go the SF bay area is wealthier than I am. More than a handful of them own homes that are worth more than my 8-figure net worth. Where you begin your career (even if the COLA-adjusted starting salary is the same elsewhere) matters in the long run.

Compared to other schools they don't. If you look at data from Niche and USNWR, UCLA and Berkeley are average to below average in responses to questions on whether alumni got their money's worth, could they get needed classes, quality of teaching and professors interest in student success, and alumni giving rate. In every single category here they are below Michigan and UVA (and other public schools). They are way, way below private schools like Princeton and Duke.

Student opinion is not an accurate metric of the quality of the school. Schools that have easy classes and huge social life (and easy classes that allow for a large amount of time spent partying) will have higher ratings.

More rigor and course difficulty means lower student ratings, but rigor and course difficulty improves the academic reputation of the school.

This is a hilariously stupid take. The students experience isn’t accurate about the quality of the school? That’s literally the most important metric. And your rigor argument is debunked by William and Mary. Very rigorous academics but have the happiest students by Princeton rankings.

Hilariously stupid take? Only to an utterly idiotic moron.

Only look at the colleges ranked by overall satisfaction, the most important metric:

Vanderbilt University (1)
Kansas State (2)
Tulane (3)
Wisconsin (4)
Clemson (5)
Brown (6)
Virginia Tech (7)
Auburn (8)
Lehigh (9)
Thomas Aquinas (10)


Nowhere to be found: Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Yale, etc.

Jeez, better send your kids to Kansas State instead of Harvard, based on the most important metric!

You are the one that determined this to be the most important metric and then cherry picked. If you look at the top 20 below for "Their students love these colleges" I would say at least the ones in bold have some reputation for academic rigor (and I am not trying to slight any other schools, it was just my gut reaction). That is over half. There are probably many aspects other than just party school.

Vanderbilt University
Kansas State University
Tulane University
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Clemson University
Brown University
Virginia Tech
Auburn University
Lehigh University
Thomas Aquinas College (CA)
Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering
University of Richmond
Bowdoin College
William & Mary
Emory University
Washington University in St. Louis
United States Military Academy
Rice University
Elon University
University of Vermont

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread was designed to try to slide Florida in with UVA and Michigan. First, sorry about the Michigan and/or UVA rejections. Second, no one seriously believes Florida is in the same league as those two pkaces.

Florida is a perfectly fine school for many majors, especially instate students. But Michigan with a business degree over rides UF and UVA 100%. Michigan connections are far reaching.

As a graduate of UF I would not recommend it is way too big. Football fun that's it. Florida does have Shands attached so medical student majors maybe.

And who in their right mind sends their kid to Death DeSantis state at this point in time?

Michigan Ross is great, but not above UVA McIntire.

Please show any "rankings" that have UVA ahead of UM in Business.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall

UVA isn't even the best ACC school according to this.

And according to this

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges-for-business/

it isn't even the best in the state of Virginia.

USNWR is really a dead ranking with nothing other than a reputation ranking. Business grads are looking for high paying jobs and these are the top 10 according to actual data collected by Poets & Quants, the only site that really collects primary data any more:

School Total Average Pay
University of Pennsylvania (Wharton $91,353
Carnegie Mellon University (Tepper) 89,930
Washington University in St. Louis (Olin) $86,090
New York University (Stern) $85,930
University of Virginia (McIntire) $85,591
Cornell University (Dyson) $83,023
Georgetown University (McDonough) $82,878
University of Michigan (Ross) $82,012
University of California-Berkeley $79,133
William & Mary (Mason) $77,138
https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/2019/12/31/starting-salaries-bonuses-for-business-majors-in-2019/2/

In Poets and Quants overall ranking, UVA McIntire is 2 and Ross is 4, with Wharton at 1 and NYU Stern 3.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/2021/01/11/best-undergraduate-business-schools-ranking/4/

[Anonymous]

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You are the one that determined this to be the most important metric and then cherry picked. If you look at the top 20 below for "Their students love these colleges" I would say at least the ones in bold have some reputation for academic rigor (and I am not trying to slight any other schools, it was just my gut reaction). That is over half. There are probably many aspects other than just party school.

Vanderbilt University
Kansas State University
Tulane University
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Clemson University
Brown University
Virginia Tech
Auburn University
Lehigh University
Thomas Aquinas College (CA)
Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering
University of Richmond
[b]Bowdoin College
William & Mary
Emory University
Washington University in St. Louis
United States Military Academy
Rice University[/b]
Elon University
University of Vermont

FIFY

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread was designed to try to slide Florida in with UVA and Michigan. First, sorry about the Michigan and/or UVA rejections. Second, no one seriously believes Florida is in the same league as those two pkaces.

Florida is a perfectly fine school for many majors, especially instate students. But Michigan with a business degree over rides UF and UVA 100%. Michigan connections are far reaching.

As a graduate of UF I would not recommend it is way too big. Football fun that's it. Florida does have Shands attached so medical student majors maybe.

And who in their right mind sends their kid to Death DeSantis state at this point in time?

Michigan Ross is great, but not above UVA McIntire.

Please show any "rankings" that have UVA ahead of UM in Business.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall

UVA isn't even the best ACC school according to this.

And according to this

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges-for-business/

it isn't even the best in the state of Virginia.

USNWR is really a dead ranking with nothing other than a reputation ranking. Business grads are looking for high paying jobs and these are the top 10 according to actual data collected by Poets & Quants, the only site that really collects primary data any more:

School Total Average Pay
University of Pennsylvania (Wharton $91,353
Carnegie Mellon University (Tepper) 89,930
Washington University in St. Louis (Olin) $86,090
New York University (Stern) $85,930
University of Virginia (McIntire) $85,591
Cornell University (Dyson) $83,023
Georgetown University (McDonough) $82,878
University of Michigan (Ross) $82,012
University of California-Berkeley $79,133
William & Mary (Mason) $77,138
https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/2019/12/31/starting-salaries-bonuses-for-business-majors-in-2019/2/

In Poets and Quants overall ranking, UVA McIntire is 2 and Ross is 4, with Wharton at 1 and NYU Stern 3.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/2021/01/11/best-undergraduate-business-schools-ranking/4/

LOL, Poets and Quants

How about a recognized rating system?

And if you are going to go on rote pay/income, how about adjusting for COL in the region where the university is located?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread was designed to try to slide Florida in with UVA and Michigan. First, sorry about the Michigan and/or UVA rejections. Second, no one seriously believes Florida is in the same league as those two pkaces.

Florida is a perfectly fine school for many majors, especially instate students. But Michigan with a business degree over rides UF and UVA 100%. Michigan connections are far reaching.

As a graduate of UF I would not recommend it is way too big. Football fun that's it. Florida does have Shands attached so medical student majors maybe.

And who in their right mind sends their kid to Death DeSantis state at this point in time?

Michigan Ross is great, but not above UVA McIntire.

Please show any "rankings" that have UVA ahead of UM in Business.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall

UVA isn't even the best ACC school according to this.

And according to this

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges-for-business/

it isn't even the best in the state of Virginia.

USNWR is really a dead ranking with nothing other than a reputation ranking. Business grads are looking for high paying jobs and these are the top 10 according to actual data collected by Poets & Quants, the only site that really collects primary data any more:

School Total Average Pay
University of Pennsylvania (Wharton $91,353
Carnegie Mellon University (Tepper) 89,930
Washington University in St. Louis (Olin) $86,090
New York University (Stern) $85,930
University of Virginia (McIntire) $85,591
Cornell University (Dyson) $83,023
Georgetown University (McDonough) $82,878
University of Michigan (Ross) $82,012
University of California-Berkeley $79,133
William & Mary (Mason) $77,138
https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/2019/12/31/starting-salaries-bonuses-for-business-majors-in-2019/2/

In Poets and Quants overall ranking, UVA McIntire is 2 and Ross is 4, with Wharton at 1 and NYU Stern 3.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/2021/01/11/best-undergraduate-business-schools-ranking/4/

LOL, Poets and Quants

How about a recognized rating system?

And if you are going to go on rote pay/income, how about adjusting for COL in the region where the university is located?

Poets and Quants are the former Businessweek people. They are much more comprehensive than anything else out there.

You think Ross people are decamping en masse to Eau Claire? My bet would be there is a significant NYC, Chicago, Silicon Valley, etc. component in most of the top schools.

[Anonymous]

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You are the one that determined this to be the most important metric and then cherry picked. If you look at the top 20 below for "Their students love these colleges" I would say at least the ones in bold have some reputation for academic rigor (and I am not trying to slight any other schools, it was just my gut reaction). That is over half. There are probably many aspects other than just party school.

Vanderbilt University
Kansas State University
Tulane University
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Clemson University
Brown University
Virginia Tech
Auburn University
Lehigh University
Thomas Aquinas College (CA)
Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering
University of Richmond
[b]Bowdoin College
William & Mary
Emory University
Washington University in St. Louis
United States Military Academy
Rice University[/b]
Elon University
University of Vermont

FIFY

I am fine with that except Rice no longer appears bold and I would disagree with that. My point was the list of "their students love these colleges" isn't a retread of biggest party schools.

[Anonymous]

Never Florida. Too many crazy people in the general population.

[Anonymous]

Rice should absolutely still have been bolded...that was a code error on my part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread was designed to try to slide Florida in with UVA and Michigan. First, sorry about the Michigan and/or UVA rejections. Second, no one seriously believes Florida is in the same league as those two pkaces.

Sorry about the Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT, Stanford rejections! I was the OP and this thread was started after watching helicopter moms and dads in the DMV on the Top 10 thread sound ridiculous comparing the ranking of those schools. I selected those three because I thought my strong academic and social student could thrive. Michigan football and Florida football really bring a school spirit that you don’t find at a small SLAC. The thread was not meant to turn into some critical critique of each school. It was simply to highlight here are some great schools to consider besides the top 10 on the other thread.

Everyone already knows that about UVA and Michigan. UVA football is solid too, by the way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
You are the one that determined this to be the most important metric and then cherry picked. If you look at the top 20 below for "Their students love these colleges" I would say at least the ones in bold have some reputation for academic rigor (and I am not trying to slight any other schools, it was just my gut reaction). That is over half. There are probably many aspects other than just party school.

Vanderbilt University
Kansas State University
Tulane University
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Clemson University
Brown University
Virginia Tech
Auburn University
Lehigh University
Thomas Aquinas College (CA)
Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering
University of Richmond
[b]Bowdoin College
William & Mary
Emory University
Washington University in St. Louis
United States Military Academy
Rice University[/b]
Elon University
University of Vermont

FIFY

I am fine with that except Rice no longer appears bold and I would disagree with that. My point was the list of "their students love these colleges" isn't a retread of biggest party schools.

Tulane?

[Anonymous]

consensus top 40 school

on the fun versus quality quotient, it ranks up there with Wisconsin

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: U of Michigan, U of Florida and U of Virginia are the All Around Best schools. These three schools are all top 30 ranked schools based on US News and World Report that have strong Division IA sports teams, reasonable tuition (especially for in-state) and students/alumni that actually love attending the school.

Relating to the "top 10" thread, those schools only admit a small number of students (and those are typically legacy, minority, or sports hooks) and cost $75,000 plus per year.

Michigan is tier above UVA and Florida.

As an “all around best school,” I concur.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You are the one that determined this to be the most important metric and then cherry picked. If you look at the top 20 below for "Their students love these colleges" I would say at least the ones in bold have some reputation for academic rigor (and I am not trying to slight any other schools, it was just my gut reaction). That is over half. There are probably many aspects other than just party school.

Vanderbilt University
Kansas State University
Tulane University
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Clemson University
Brown University
Virginia Tech
Auburn University
Lehigh University
Thomas Aquinas College (CA)
Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering
University of Richmond
[b]Bowdoin College
William & Mary
Emory University
Washington University in St. Louis
United States Military Academy
Rice University[/b]
Elon University
University of Vermont

FIFY

I am fine with that except Rice no longer appears bold and I would disagree with that. My point was the list of "their students love these colleges" isn't a retread of biggest party schools.

Tulane?

Absolutely. Top 40 school

[Anonymous]

My nephew goes to Florida. When our families got together recently my kids (W&M, top 10 private) were talking about classes with him and were amazed that most of his schoolwork is online quizzes and worksheets. He hadn't written a paper or done a project all year. They said it sounded like high school.