Leaving Clemente/TPMS STEM Magnet for Robert Frost - would you do it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our neighboring Thomas Jefferson HS gives seats to the top performers and then take lottery among top X% in every MS. This admission process is ruled recently as discrimination against Asians. Yet, it's way much better than the stupid pure-lottery admission process now at MCPS.

MCPS is suiciding its own reputable GT program.

I do think taking the top X% makes sense I don't think the numbers work out as well for the MCPS lotteries. TJ can do that because it's so large. They take hundreds for the incoming freshman class. MCPS could and has filled magnets with all 99th percentile kids and then had more left over. How do you differentiate between those 99th percentile kids? Should there be a lottery for the 99th percentile kids with a higher odds, and then a separate lottery for the rest?

[Anonymous]

To answer the OP, I think many parents would be very happy if you left Clemente/TPMS magnet program for whatever reason

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To answer the OP, I think many parents would be very happy if you left Clemente/TPMS magnet program for whatever reason

Why? They aren’t going to fill the spot except from maybe within the school at this point.
MCPS needs to just get rid of the magnets. They’ve already screwed them up.

[Anonymous]

um this thread was from 2021. OP is long gone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our neighboring Thomas Jefferson HS gives seats to the top performers and then take lottery among top X% in every MS. This admission process is ruled recently as discrimination against Asians. Yet, it's way much better than the stupid pure-lottery admission process now at MCPS.

MCPS is suiciding its own reputable GT program.

I do think taking the top X% makes sense I don't think the numbers work out as well for the MCPS lotteries. TJ can do that because it's so large. They take hundreds for the incoming freshman class. MCPS could and has filled magnets with all 99th percentile kids and then had more left over. How do you differentiate between those 99th percentile kids? Should there be a lottery for the 99th percentile kids with a higher odds, and then a separate lottery for the rest?

You are correct. Lottery among 99%ers is way much more fair and would hold these magnet programs strong. I'm fine with letting the 99%ers who are out of luck in the lottery learn a lesson that success is made by diligence, talent plus luck if their pool is made by 99%ers. But lottery for the top 15%? That's a pure power-ball game, and nothing related to talent (IQ) nor working hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:um this thread was from 2021. OP is long gone.

And the magnet ship is sinking more. While OP was debating painfully, now the choice would become easier to make.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:um this thread was from 2021. OP is long gone.

But the discussion is still relevant which is why I revived it. And then, here you go commenting it and bumping the thread up even more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To answer the OP, I think many parents would be very happy if you left Clemente/TPMS magnet program for whatever reason

This would not help you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our neighboring Thomas Jefferson HS gives seats to the top performers and then take lottery among top X% in every MS. This admission process is ruled recently as discrimination against Asians. Yet, it's way much better than the stupid pure-lottery admission process now at MCPS.

MCPS is suiciding its own reputable GT program.

You're an idiot. Thomas Jefferson is a High School. Currently there are no lotteries in the HS admission process.
Not sure what you're trying to compare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our neighboring Thomas Jefferson HS gives seats to the top performers and then take lottery among top X% in every MS. This admission process is ruled recently as discrimination against Asians. Yet, it's way much better than the stupid pure-lottery admission process now at MCPS.

MCPS is suiciding its own reputable GT program.

You're an idiot. Thomas Jefferson is a High School. Currently there are no lotteries in the HS admission process.
Not sure what you're trying to compare.

Didn't they eliminate the test for HS admissions so now it's impossible to distinguish between the 12345 kids with inflated straight A's?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our neighboring Thomas Jefferson HS gives seats to the top performers and then take lottery among top X% in every MS. This admission process is ruled recently as discrimination against Asians. Yet, it's way much better than the stupid pure-lottery admission process now at MCPS.

MCPS is suiciding its own reputable GT program.

You're an idiot. Thomas Jefferson is a High School. Currently there are no lotteries in the HS admission process.
Not sure what you're trying to compare.

HS has eliminated the CoGAT test this year. How to differentiate students with inflated GPA and MAP-test tail distribution which is acknowledged by NEWA that should not be used for differentiation?
Also, wait and see. Things could become worse next year and they could easily eliminate the HS holistic review because they have successfully removed the ES and MS ones.

This is not just discrimination against Asian. This is a true discrimination against any 99%ers in poor school zones and have no parent support. They are now thrown into a big ocean without any hope of getting a chance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our neighboring Thomas Jefferson HS gives seats to the top performers and then take lottery among top X% in every MS. This admission process is ruled recently as discrimination against Asians. Yet, it's way much better than the stupid pure-lottery admission process now at MCPS.

MCPS is suiciding its own reputable GT program.

You're an idiot. Thomas Jefferson is a High School. Currently there are no lotteries in the HS admission process.
Not sure what you're trying to compare.

HS has eliminated the CoGAT test this year. How to differentiate students with inflated GPA and MAP-test tail distribution which is acknowledged by NEWA that should not be used for differentiation?
Also, wait and see. Things could become worse next year and they could easily eliminate the HS holistic review because they have successfully removed the ES and MS ones.

This is not just discrimination against Asian. This is a true discrimination against any 99%ers in poor school zones and have no parent support. They are now thrown into a big ocean without any hope of getting a chance.

I think it's a safe bet as to not if but when the HS magnet becomes a lottery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our neighboring Thomas Jefferson HS gives seats to the top performers and then take lottery among top X% in every MS. This admission process is ruled recently as discrimination against Asians. Yet, it's way much better than the stupid pure-lottery admission process now at MCPS.

MCPS is suiciding its own reputable GT program.

You're an idiot. Thomas Jefferson is a High School. Currently there are no lotteries in the HS admission process.
Not sure what you're trying to compare.

HS has eliminated the CoGAT test this year. How to differentiate students with inflated GPA and MAP-test tail distribution which is acknowledged by NEWA that should not be used for differentiation?
Also, wait and see. Things could become worse next year and they could easily eliminate the HS holistic review because they have successfully removed the ES and MS ones.

This is not just discrimination against Asian. This is a true discrimination against any 99%ers in poor school zones and have no parent support. They are now thrown into a big ocean without any hope of getting a chance.

Not so fast. They moved the threshold MAP-R percentile for being placed in the lottery for CES from 75% last year to 85% this year. The 85% threshold that is being used this year is a return to previous levels for CES entry. So I wouldn't say things are getting worse. I think MCPS is tightening entry, at least for this year compared to last year. We'll have to see what they do next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our neighboring Thomas Jefferson HS gives seats to the top performers and then take lottery among top X% in every MS. This admission process is ruled recently as discrimination against Asians. Yet, it's way much better than the stupid pure-lottery admission process now at MCPS.

MCPS is suiciding its own reputable GT program.

You're an idiot. Thomas Jefferson is a High School. Currently there are no lotteries in the HS admission process.
Not sure what you're trying to compare.

HS has eliminated the CoGAT test this year. How to differentiate students with inflated GPA and MAP-test tail distribution which is acknowledged by NEWA that should not be used for differentiation?
Also, wait and see. Things could become worse next year and they could easily eliminate the HS holistic review because they have successfully removed the ES and MS ones.

This is not just discrimination against Asian. This is a true discrimination against any 99%ers in poor school zones and have no parent support. They are now thrown into a big ocean without any hope of getting a chance.

Not so fast. They moved the threshold MAP-R percentile for being placed in the lottery for CES from 75% last year to 85% this year. The 85% threshold that is being used this year is a return to previous levels for CES entry. So I wouldn't say things are getting worse. I think MCPS is tightening entry, at least for this year compared to last year. We'll have to see what they do next year.

That's not credible. Prior to the lottery even our local CES was turning away kids with 97% national score on the CogAT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our neighboring Thomas Jefferson HS gives seats to the top performers and then take lottery among top X% in every MS. This admission process is ruled recently as discrimination against Asians. Yet, it's way much better than the stupid pure-lottery admission process now at MCPS.

MCPS is suiciding its own reputable GT program.

You're an idiot. Thomas Jefferson is a High School. Currently there are no lotteries in the HS admission process.
Not sure what you're trying to compare.

HS has eliminated the CoGAT test this year. How to differentiate students with inflated GPA and MAP-test tail distribution which is acknowledged by NEWA that should not be used for differentiation?
Also, wait and see. Things could become worse next year and they could easily eliminate the HS holistic review because they have successfully removed the ES and MS ones.

This is not just discrimination against Asian. This is a true discrimination against any 99%ers in poor school zones and have no parent support. They are now thrown into a big ocean without any hope of getting a chance.

Not so fast. They moved the threshold MAP-R percentile for being placed in the lottery for CES from 75% last year to 85% this year. The 85% threshold that is being used this year is a return to previous levels for CES entry. So I wouldn't say things are getting worse. I think MCPS is tightening entry, at least for this year compared to last year. We'll have to see what they do next year.

That's not credible. Prior to the lottery even our local CES was turning away kids with 97% national score on the CogAT.

It is credible. Even before the pandemic there was a 15-percentile spread among kids who attended CES. Cogat scores weren't the only criteria, so kids got turned away for a myriad of reasons, including grades and teacher bias.