AEM - mental health discussion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:as an APS teacher, I'm part of the APS educators group...and let me tell you, THAT was much much worse. A teacher posted the same article and said that we had to get back to schools now (I agree, for what it's worth) and people went NUTS on her. the chain and post were deleted and she was banned from the group.

https://twitter.com/marycantwellK/status/1353535754937446403

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My prediction is we will look back and the end result will be we have done far more damage to our kids than any benefit received from shutting down schools. Our society has been way too short sighted in all of this.

Agreed. I take COVID very seriously and follow all precautions, but the choice not to prioritize kids and schooling is a societal failure at various levels. Just saw Las Vegas finally reopened schools after realizing students were experiencing a mental health crisis leading to an increase in child suicide. It’s heartbreaking. American Academy of Pediatrics and Dr. Fauci advocate for safe reopenings, which is possible with safety measures and mitigation in place.

Its not leading to increasing suicide and parents are using that as an excuse. These kids have untreated mental health issues. Schools are not equip to handle that level of mental health and parents need to ge their kids more help. The issue is what is going on at home if kids are struggling that much at home. Parents are quick to blame the schools and others but not so quick to get their kid help and make the necessary changes in their home to meet their kids needs.

What is down is bullying, school violence and more, so what about all the kids thriving because of not having those stressors?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My prediction is we will look back and the end result will be we have done far more damage to our kids than any benefit received from shutting down schools. Our society has been way too short sighted in all of this.

Agreed. I take COVID very seriously and follow all precautions, but the choice not to prioritize kids and schooling is a societal failure at various levels. Just saw Las Vegas finally reopened schools after realizing students were experiencing a mental health crisis leading to an increase in child suicide. It’s heartbreaking. American Academy of Pediatrics and Dr. Fauci advocate for safe reopenings, which is possible with safety measures and mitigation in place.

Its not leading to increasing suicide and parents are using that as an excuse. These kids have untreated mental health issues. Schools are not equip to handle that level of mental health and parents need to ge their kids more help. The issue is what is going on at home if kids are struggling that much at home. Parents are quick to blame the schools and others but not so quick to get their kid help and make the necessary changes in their home to meet their kids needs.

What is down is bullying, school violence and more, so what about all the kids thriving because of not having those stressors?

THOSE KIDS CAN STAY VIRTUAL!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^Okayyyy, that's not quite how it played out. Noone used expletives so let's not escalate an already unsensitive comment.

Yeah, the recap wasn't very accurate. Both the parent and the staff member were pushing it too far, but the Cliff notes writer left out that the the staff member lost a coworker to covid and is, understandably, scared to go back in and is being told, "too bad, so sad," by the parents. It all sucks. Also, one of the parents criticizing the counselor also told a nurse that her profession doesn't care about getting COVID, so that gives you an idea how far these people are willing to go online. It all makes me so sad.

That’s not what he said. The nurse said that nurses at her hospital routinely eat in break rooms together unmasked. He responded that if that’s the case, it means either that those nurses do so because they appreciate that a short interval of indoor meals with social distancing isn’t a significant risk factor, or that they don’t care about getting covid. He then went on to say that the obvious conclusion is that nurses must appreciate that this isn’t a high-risk practice, either the implication being that the idea that nurses wouldn’t care about getting covid is absurd.

You can argue about whether indoor meals are high-risk, but to say he said nurses don’t care about getting covid is a gross and willful misreading of his comments.

Those nurses probably already had covid. Comparing nurses to schools is bizarre.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:as an APS teacher, I'm part of the APS educators group...and let me tell you, THAT was much much worse. A teacher posted the same article and said that we had to get back to schools now (I agree, for what it's worth) and people went NUTS on her. the chain and post were deleted and she was banned from the group.

https://twitter.com/marycantwellK/status/1353535754937446403

She’s an excellent teacher. And now my hero. I cannot believe they would ban teachers for wanting to go back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to see such cold and uncaring comments from a school counselor. If my child were at his school, that discussion would have destroyed any faith I might have had in their counseling services.

On the other hand, the other school counselor who joined in with is a wonderful person and counselor (based on professional interactions outside of AEM), and I was glad she joined in to offer constructive comments.

I'm curious to know what was cold and uncaring? He is grieving the loss of a co-worker, terrified to go back and is told to go back or quit. Perhaps I misse it.

Further down the chain, a parent writes in some detail about her son's issues and the lack of help he received from the school staff and the guy just straight up says he disagrees and dismisses her experience.

Schools are to educate. If her child is struggling that much, she needs to use her insurance or other resources and get the child help. There are no school professionals equip to deal with severe mental health issues. The best a school can do is do an IEP and move the child on to a school that is specialized in SN kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to see such cold and uncaring comments from a school counselor. If my child were at his school, that discussion would have destroyed any faith I might have had in their counseling services.

On the other hand, the other school counselor who joined in with is a wonderful person and counselor (based on professional interactions outside of AEM), and I was glad she joined in to offer constructive comments.

I'm curious to know what was cold and uncaring? He is grieving the loss of a co-worker, terrified to go back and is told to go back or quit. Perhaps I misse it.

Further down the chain, a parent writes in some detail about her son's issues and the lack of help he received from the school staff and the guy just straight up says he disagrees and dismisses her experience.

Schools are to educate. If her child is struggling that much, she needs to use her insurance or other resources and get the child help. There are no school professionals equip to deal with severe mental health issues. The best a school can do is do an IEP and move the child on to a school that is specialized in SN kids.

Going to school is a routine that kids need. It is so much more draining learning virtually. The days I have zoom calls all day are the most exhausting. It is literally too much. You are not listening if that’s your response.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:as an APS teacher, I'm part of the APS educators group...and let me tell you, THAT was much much worse. A teacher posted the same article and said that we had to get back to schools now (I agree, for what it's worth) and people went NUTS on her. the chain and post were deleted and she was banned from the group.

https://twitter.com/marycantwellK/status/1353535754937446403

She’s an excellent teacher. And now my hero. I cannot believe they would ban teachers for wanting to go back.

At this point I stay in the group to be aware of who to avoid (as staff and a parent)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:as an APS teacher, I'm part of the APS educators group...and let me tell you, THAT was much much worse. A teacher posted the same article and said that we had to get back to schools now (I agree, for what it's worth) and people went NUTS on her. the chain and post were deleted and she was banned from the group.

https://twitter.com/marycantwellK/status/1353535754937446403

She’s an excellent teacher. And now my hero. I cannot believe they would ban teachers for wanting to go back.

She's my hero now too! My teacher friends in APS want to go back as well. I am so sorry to hear this woman was treated so badly on the teacher only forum.

[Anonymous]

Reading AEM (the "stay safe at home forever" crowd) over the summer made me so nuts because I realized there were so many inside players advocating against hybrid that it was unlikely to be an option this school year. We started applying DS to privates and Catholics. Fortunately he got into one so I can just read AEM now and breath heavy sighs of relief.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My prediction is we will look back and the end result will be we have done far more damage to our kids than any benefit received from shutting down schools. Our society has been way too short sighted in all of this.

Agreed. I take COVID very seriously and follow all precautions, but the choice not to prioritize kids and schooling is a societal failure at various levels. Just saw Las Vegas finally reopened schools after realizing students were experiencing a mental health crisis leading to an increase in child suicide. It’s heartbreaking. American Academy of Pediatrics and Dr. Fauci advocate for safe reopenings, which is possible with safety measures and mitigation in place.

Its not leading to increasing suicide and parents are using that as an excuse. These kids have untreated mental health issues. Schools are not equip to handle that level of mental health and parents need to ge their kids more help. The issue is what is going on at home if kids are struggling that much at home. Parents are quick to blame the schools and others but not so quick to get their kid help and make the necessary changes in their home to meet their kids needs.

What is down is bullying, school violence and more, so what about all the kids thriving because of not having those stressors?

Please cite to evidence to support your statements, because it kind of sounds like you have no furking clue what you are talking about and are making shit up for your own agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to see such cold and uncaring comments from a school counselor. If my child were at his school, that discussion would have destroyed any faith I might have had in their counseling services.

On the other hand, the other school counselor who joined in with is a wonderful person and counselor (based on professional interactions outside of AEM), and I was glad she joined in to offer constructive comments.

I'm curious to know what was cold and uncaring? He is grieving the loss of a co-worker, terrified to go back and is told to go back or quit. Perhaps I misse it.

Further down the chain, a parent writes in some detail about her son's issues and the lack of help he received from the school staff and the guy just straight up says he disagrees and dismisses her experience.

Schools are to educate. If her child is struggling that much, she needs to use her insurance or other resources and get the child help. There are no school professionals equip to deal with severe mental health issues. The best a school can do is do an IEP and move the child on to a school that is specialized in SN kids.

If virtual school in adequate to meet students’ needs, let’s fire all the teachers and put everyone in Virtual Virginia. Granted, I think thats a ridiculous idea, but it’s in line with your claims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone should report those insensitive comments to school leadership. Incredibly insensitive to parents who were having a fairly balanced discussion (and the conversations don’t always go that way!).

He was told that he and his coworkers are "completely worthless" and not equipped for their jobs. Parents forget teachers and counselors are on the forum and are human beings.

He previously said that people were going to die if they kids went to school and some other quite hysterical posts so NO he isn’t equipped to be a counselor if he isn’t capable of appropriate logical and common sense discussions.

[Anonymous]

I stay on AEM so I know who to avoid, but I never post. I’m sorry the teacher was banned from the other group, but her tweets, of course, only tell half the story. I hate how this is tearing groups apart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I stay on AEM so I know who to avoid, but I never post. I’m sorry the teacher was banned from the other group, but her tweets, of course, only tell half the story. I hate how this is tearing groups apart.

Not only that, the school she works at links to her personal twitter feed on her (public) staff page. Those tweets are popping up and without background info do not look good coming from a teacher. Yowsers.