Covid rise - when to withdraw from day care?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We have three kids, one in preschool/daycare, and the older two in a distance learning hub in their school building. All three will keep going to these places until they’re forced to shut down. DH and I don’t go anywhere aside from occasional trips to the grocery store, we both work FT, and our kids need childcare.

Daycares don’t drive COVID transmission. Neither do small groups of older kids, wearing masks, and spaced apart appropriately.

I'm sure they don't drive in large numbers, but I know two people who got covid from their kids in day care earlier this year, so I would like to see local numbers. I'm not alarmist, I'm a parent who needs my day care open, but I want to have a clear and informed view of risk in December, not July.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have three kids, one in preschool/daycare, and the older two in a distance learning hub in their school building. All three will keep going to these places until they’re forced to shut down. DH and I don’t go anywhere aside from occasional trips to the grocery store, we both work FT, and our kids need childcare.

Daycares don’t drive COVID transmission. Neither do small groups of older kids, wearing masks, and spaced apart appropriately.

I'm sure they don't drive in large numbers, but I know two people who got covid from their kids in day care earlier this year, so I would like to see local numbers. I'm not alarmist, I'm a parent who needs my day care open, but I want to have a clear and informed view of risk in December, not July.

My child was positive but asymptomatic. DH and I caught it from him. We were positive with mild symptoms (now fully recovered). We're both working from home and had no outside contact other than through DS in daycare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have three kids, one in preschool/daycare, and the older two in a distance learning hub in their school building. All three will keep going to these places until they’re forced to shut down. DH and I don’t go anywhere aside from occasional trips to the grocery store, we both work FT, and our kids need childcare.

Daycares don’t drive COVID transmission. Neither do small groups of older kids, wearing masks, and spaced apart appropriately.

I'm sure they don't drive in large numbers, but I know two people who got covid from their kids in day care earlier this year, so I would like to see local numbers. I'm not alarmist, I'm a parent who needs my day care open, but I want to have a clear and informed view of risk in December, not July.

My child was positive but asymptomatic. DH and I caught it from him. We were positive with mild symptoms (now fully recovered). We're both working from home and had no outside contact other than through DS in daycare.

Were there other known cases in the day care?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Now. Outbreaks galore in this area's preschools.

I haven't seen any headlines about that- do you have any links? Not doubting you, just want to be better informed.

We are pulling now since we were going to 2 weeks before Christmas anyway. Numbers are getting bad and it seems pretty deserted in our Petworth neighborhood- like people traveled/mingled for Thanksgiving. Maybe I'm imagining it

I'm so frustrated that i can't find numbers on prevalence. It seems like they stopped publishing info on outbreaks in childcares over the summer, when they were at restricted capacity.

We were also considering pulling 2 weeks before Christmas but not sure it's reasonable to see family even then. And there is probably a greater risk to our family after Thanksgiving and after Christmas, not the 2 weeks in between. Really not sure what to do. Probably send the kid and pray.

In MoCo, Earl Stoddard basically said they don't want to publish those numbers because he doesn't want to show people the numbers are low. I'm completely serious. It came up when the council was asking him and Dr. Gayles about their failed attempt to reduce childcare capacity to 50%.

This is a true statement. So all of you parents that are still drinking the propaganda regarding high levels of COVID in preschools should reconsider and get a spot before it’s too late.

[Anonymous]

We have a 1 and a 3 year old. They made it through March-June but I don’t think mentally they would have lasted longer. It wasn’t an okay thing to do to our children. Our daycare hasn’t had an outbreak yet this year. And it’s small and I know the parents. My kids mental well being is as important as their physical. I feel like my friends who have been able to juggle had easier job or jobs that let them work or start later. My job was completely inflexible

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have three kids, one in preschool/daycare, and the older two in a distance learning hub in their school building. All three will keep going to these places until they’re forced to shut down. DH and I don’t go anywhere aside from occasional trips to the grocery store, we both work FT, and our kids need childcare.

Daycares don’t drive COVID transmission. Neither do small groups of older kids, wearing masks, and spaced apart appropriately.

I'm sure they don't drive in large numbers, but I know two people who got covid from their kids in day care earlier this year, so I would like to see local numbers. I'm not alarmist, I'm a parent who needs my day care open, but I want to have a clear and informed view of risk in December, not July.

My child was positive but asymptomatic. DH and I caught it from him. We were positive with mild symptoms (now fully recovered). We're both working from home and had no outside contact other than through DS in daycare.

Were there other known cases in the day care?

Can you tell us more about the daycare? Was it a center and how long were they close?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now. Outbreaks galore in this area's preschools.

I haven't seen any headlines about that- do you have any links? Not doubting you, just want to be better informed.

We are pulling now since we were going to 2 weeks before Christmas anyway. Numbers are getting bad and it seems pretty deserted in our Petworth neighborhood- like people traveled/mingled for Thanksgiving. Maybe I'm imagining it

I'm so frustrated that i can't find numbers on prevalence. It seems like they stopped publishing info on outbreaks in childcares over the summer, when they were at restricted capacity.

We were also considering pulling 2 weeks before Christmas but not sure it's reasonable to see family even then. And there is probably a greater risk to our family after Thanksgiving and after Christmas, not the 2 weeks in between. Really not sure what to do. Probably send the kid and pray.

In MoCo, Earl Stoddard basically said they don't want to publish those numbers because he doesn't want to show people the numbers are low. I'm completely serious. It came up when the council was asking him and Dr. Gayles about their failed attempt to reduce childcare capacity to 50%.

This is a true statement. So all of you parents that are still drinking the propaganda regarding high levels of COVID in preschools should reconsider and get a spot before it’s too late.

Too late for what? Everyone I know who hasn’t sent their kid back by now has no plans to this entire year- they aren’t planning to re-enroll until Sept 2021. Places are shutting down because they can’t find enough kids to enroll.

[Anonymous]

9:37 again- and for those with 4yos who will enter kindergarten next year, there is literally no point in paying to hold a spot you’ll never use. There are always camp options in the summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have three kids, one in preschool/daycare, and the older two in a distance learning hub in their school building. All three will keep going to these places until they’re forced to shut down. DH and I don’t go anywhere aside from occasional trips to the grocery store, we both work FT, and our kids need childcare.

Daycares don’t drive COVID transmission. Neither do small groups of older kids, wearing masks, and spaced apart appropriately.

I'm sure they don't drive in large numbers, but I know two people who got covid from their kids in day care earlier this year, so I would like to see local numbers. I'm not alarmist, I'm a parent who needs my day care open, but I want to have a clear and informed view of risk in December, not July.

You know that many daycares were open for children of essential workers throughout the pandemic, right? If daycares were a major driver of transmission, even in areas with high positivity rates, we’d know it by now. Cases here and there, sure. We have neighbors who all got COVID from their youngest being in daycare (they were all fine, thankfully).

If you want no exposure to your kid, keep them home. But please don’t imply that daycares are some hidden source of major COVID spread. They’re not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have three kids, one in preschool/daycare, and the older two in a distance learning hub in their school building. All three will keep going to these places until they’re forced to shut down. DH and I don’t go anywhere aside from occasional trips to the grocery store, we both work FT, and our kids need childcare.

Daycares don’t drive COVID transmission. Neither do small groups of older kids, wearing masks, and spaced apart appropriately.

I'm sure they don't drive in large numbers, but I know two people who got covid from their kids in day care earlier this year, so I would like to see local numbers. I'm not alarmist, I'm a parent who needs my day care open, but I want to have a clear and informed view of risk in December, not July.

You know that many daycares were open for children of essential workers throughout the pandemic, right? If daycares were a major driver of transmission, even in areas with high positivity rates, we’d know it by now. Cases here and there, sure. We have neighbors who all got COVID from their youngest being in daycare (they were all fine, thankfully).

If you want no exposure to your kid, keep them home. But please don’t imply that daycares are some hidden source of major COVID spread. They’re not.

Where did you get that from PP? The data should be available. What's wrong with asking for that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have three kids, one in preschool/daycare, and the older two in a distance learning hub in their school building. All three will keep going to these places until they’re forced to shut down. DH and I don’t go anywhere aside from occasional trips to the grocery store, we both work FT, and our kids need childcare.

Daycares don’t drive COVID transmission. Neither do small groups of older kids, wearing masks, and spaced apart appropriately.

I'm sure they don't drive in large numbers, but I know two people who got covid from their kids in day care earlier this year, so I would like to see local numbers. I'm not alarmist, I'm a parent who needs my day care open, but I want to have a clear and informed view of risk in December, not July.

You know that many daycares were open for children of essential workers throughout the pandemic, right? If daycares were a major driver of transmission, even in areas with high positivity rates, we’d know it by now. Cases here and there, sure. We have neighbors who all got COVID from their youngest being in daycare (they were all fine, thankfully).

If you want no exposure to your kid, keep them home. But please don’t imply that daycares are some hidden source of major COVID spread. They’re not.

Where did you get that from PP? The data should be available. What's wrong with asking for that?

Yeah I don’t believe this claim at all. I believe they truly are a driver but if you have the data to prove me wrong I’ll gladly reconsider.

[Anonymous]

I just wanted to say that if you are sending your child to daycare (and no judgment from me if you are -- I get it), you need to behave as though there could be an outbreak at your daycare any day.

I say this because I know a family that contracted Covid from their daycare right before Thanksgiving and almost certainly gave it to their family on Thanksgiving before realizing they had it. Their daycare followed every safety protocol you can imagine -- masks, temp checks, no one allowed in with any symptoms at all, etc. But a teacher tested positive the day before Thanksgiving and by the time people were contacted, multiple families already had symptoms and now there are more than 10 positives, plus more people who have symptoms but have not yet tested positive.

I don't know if daycares are a major source of spread in general. But if Covid gets into a daycare, there is every possibility that it will spread. Who knows -- maybe the teacher who got it was a super spreader, or maybe she got it from an asymptomatic child who was a super spreader. Maybe there is some lapse in their safety measures that hasn't occurred to anyone yet. Who knows? But the point is, if your kid is in daycare (or private school), your family is exposed to many other families and you need to behave accordingly. Act as you would if you were working in an ER or going to work in a grocery store every day. Don't visit elderly relatives, don't take other risks.

Just be smart about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just wanted to say that if you are sending your child to daycare (and no judgment from me if you are -- I get it), you need to behave as though there could be an outbreak at your daycare any day.

I say this because I know a family that contracted Covid from their daycare right before Thanksgiving and almost certainly gave it to their family on Thanksgiving before realizing they had it. Their daycare followed every safety protocol you can imagine -- masks, temp checks, no one allowed in with any symptoms at all, etc. But a teacher tested positive the day before Thanksgiving and by the time people were contacted, multiple families already had symptoms and now there are more than 10 positives, plus more people who have symptoms but have not yet tested positive.

I don't know if daycares are a major source of spread in general. But if Covid gets into a daycare, there is every possibility that it will spread. Who knows -- maybe the teacher who got it was a super spreader, or maybe she got it from an asymptomatic child who was a super spreader. Maybe there is some lapse in their safety measures that hasn't occurred to anyone yet. Who knows? But the point is, if your kid is in daycare (or private school), your family is exposed to many other families and you need to behave accordingly. Act as you would if you were working in an ER or going to work in a grocery store every day. Don't visit elderly relatives, don't take other risks.

Just be smart about it.

Right. I know of a daycare where a class is currently shut down while awaiting test results for one family with Covid symptoms- which has now taken over a week with still no results! So I guess the bright spot is that if it does come back positive they'll already be over halfway through a 14-day quarantine, but it puts a lot of families in a bind because one family was careless. With the testing so slow right now, the results are almost meaningless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just wanted to say that if you are sending your child to daycare (and no judgment from me if you are -- I get it), you need to behave as though there could be an outbreak at your daycare any day.

I say this because I know a family that contracted Covid from their daycare right before Thanksgiving and almost certainly gave it to their family on Thanksgiving before realizing they had it. Their daycare followed every safety protocol you can imagine -- masks, temp checks, no one allowed in with any symptoms at all, etc. But a teacher tested positive the day before Thanksgiving and by the time people were contacted, multiple families already had symptoms and now there are more than 10 positives, plus more people who have symptoms but have not yet tested positive.

I don't know if daycares are a major source of spread in general. But if Covid gets into a daycare, there is every possibility that it will spread. Who knows -- maybe the teacher who got it was a super spreader, or maybe she got it from an asymptomatic child who was a super spreader. Maybe there is some lapse in their safety measures that hasn't occurred to anyone yet. Who knows? But the point is, if your kid is in daycare (or private school), your family is exposed to many other families and you need to behave accordingly. Act as you would if you were working in an ER or going to work in a grocery store every day. Don't visit elderly relatives, don't take other risks.

Just be smart about it.

Right. I know of a daycare where a class is currently shut down while awaiting test results for one family with Covid symptoms- which has now taken over a week with still no results! So I guess the bright spot is that if it does come back positive they'll already be over halfway through a 14-day quarantine, but it puts a lot of families in a bind because one family was careless. With the testing so slow right now, the results are almost meaningless.

Oh gosh, please don't stigmatize people that get Covid. You don't have to be "careless" to get it. You just have to be a family that can't quarantine. And that includes anyone who sends their child to daycare. I say that as someone with my child in daycare. We only see her elderly grandparents outside and masked, and will pull her out temporarily before Christmas so we can isolate and get tested. Of course you can catch Covid from daycare.

[Anonymous]

Anyone who thinks every person their child interacts with at daycare can or should be completely quarantined from anyone outside the daycare is just being ridiculous. You really think child care teachers' families are all office workers working remotely? You don't think any health care workers need child care? GMAFB.