Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative

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Anonymous wrote:I said it in the other thread and I’ll say it again. There is a reasonable and even compelling public interest in increasing the number of underrepresented minorities at a STEM magnet high school, funded entirely by tax payers. This is basic stuff. Cultural silos should not be allowed to form in public high schools. If that means white and Asian kids (Males too), who are historically overrepresented in the field have it harder, tough cookies. It’s not actually “harder” if you think about what other populations have to overcome to even have a shot in STEM. If you don’t think STEM fields have a diversity problem, I can’t help you. You have no idea what you’re talking about. We need diversity if we want innovation.

I actually don’t think this is true.

“Cultural silos” (whatever that means) can be allowed
We don’t “need” diversity for innovation; we need best & brightest for innovation

That means lots of Asian & Indian students.

Corporate America vehemently disagrees with you.

Innovation requires a lot of skill sets and perspectives, not just kids who are really good at memorizing things in cram schools.

Ok. So let’s say the highest performing students are not allowed in the most academic schools. And instead our most creative students are allowed in our most academic schools: what happens? They perform poorly in their classes. That’s my guess.

Why push creative students to be highly academic? Why not allow creative students to be creative? They should be filling our art schools, or theatre and music schools. They should be pursuing liberal arts education, which is VERY important field of study.

We need engineers and doctors and economists. The fact that many of them are Indian and Asian shouldn’t bother people.

I don’t even know where to start with this. Honestly. We need creative students that are STEM capable. Both. We need kids that are both. They will be our nation’s next generation of entrepreneurs. We need talented STEM students from all walk of life, because that diversity brings real value—as in, perspectives that are not normally considered, solutions for problems people didn’t know existed because they are stuck in their bubbles. It’s not lip service. It’s a real need. Our STEM magnet school cannot afford to NOT be diverse. So what if some “deserving” kids don’t get in? It’s not all about your kid. There will be other opportunities for your child, TJ isn’t the end all. Perhaps we disagree on the purpose of the school in the first place.

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I think the lack of diversity at TJ is an indictment if the entire AAP pipeline in FCPS, and it can’t be solved through the TJ admission’s process. There’s another thread here about just how uncommitted the FCPS PTB are to AAP, and it’s just exacerbating the diversity problem. I say this as an AAP parent, with a kid that is actually gifted, and isn’t being served well by the current system. I believe in it, I just don’t think FCPS does, or we’d see a more diverse set of kids rise up through the ranks. It’s all on the parents as it is, and that’s why we see the results we do.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the lack of diversity at TJ is an indictment if the entire AAP pipeline in FCPS, and it can’t be solved through the TJ admission’s process. There’s another thread here about just how uncommitted the FCPS PTB are to AAP, and it’s just exacerbating the diversity problem. I say this as an AAP parent, with a kid that is actually gifted, and isn’t being served well by the current system. I believe in it, I just don’t think FCPS does, or we’d see a more diverse set of kids rise up through the ranks. It’s all on the parents as it is, and that’s why we see the results we do.

There should be one test on one day for all say 1st graders. It should be limited to say the top 1-2% max No appeals etc. If its 100% asian or 100% black who cares.

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Anonymous wrote:Blm

one of the biggest racist organizations on the planet and woke white liberals are too dumb to realize it

Marxist--see their website.

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White person here. I don't understand why Asians have problems with African American and Hispanic students in the top tier high schools in our country.

High school stats should reflect the population stats.

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I have no interest in TJ, but why don’t they implement a similar application/acceptance system of Ivy League and other good colleges:

Have the test but also take into consideration background, personality, extracurricular activities etc? Do they have to write an essay? Is there an interview?

Yes, it would probably mean that an Asian or white male would have to score much higher on the test than a Hispanic or black female, but as long the black/hispanic (some other race) scores enough or the minimum they consider acceptable (meaning, the child has a chance to succeed in the program); that would be ideal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no interest in TJ, but why don’t they implement a similar application/acceptance system of Ivy League and other good colleges:

Have the test but also take into consideration background, personality, extracurricular activities etc? Do they have to write an essay? Is there an interview?

Yes, it would probably mean that an Asian or white male would have to score much higher on the test than a Hispanic or black female, but as long the black/hispanic (some other race) scores enough or the minimum they consider acceptable (meaning, the child has a chance to succeed in the program); that would be ideal.

Exactly. Admissions protesters are always citing that they have higher scores and don't get in. That's just not how it works. Once you achieve a minimum standard on scores, everyone is qualified to get in (based on their score). Then, there are other factors to consider. Why is this so hard to understand?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have no interest in TJ, but why don’t they implement a similar application/acceptance system of Ivy League and other good colleges:

Have the test but also take into consideration background, personality, extracurricular activities etc? Do they have to write an essay? Is there an interview?

Yes, it would probably mean that an Asian or white male would have to score much higher on the test than a Hispanic or black female, but as long the black/hispanic (some other race) scores enough or the minimum they consider acceptable (meaning, the child has a chance to succeed in the program); that would be ideal.

Exactly. Admissions protesters are always citing that they have higher scores and don't get in. That's just not how it works. Once you achieve a minimum standard on scores, everyone is qualified to get in (based on their score). Then, there are other factors to consider. Why is this so hard to understand?

hint they already do this

There just aren't a ton of black and hispanic students with even minimal standards/scores to make the cut

sorry woke/SJW there just aren't

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no interest in TJ, but why don’t they implement a similar application/acceptance system of Ivy League and other good colleges:

Have the test but also take into consideration background, personality, extracurricular activities etc? Do they have to write an essay? Is there an interview?

Yes, it would probably mean that an Asian or white male would have to score much higher on the test than a Hispanic or black female, but as long the black/hispanic (some other race) scores enough or the minimum they consider acceptable (meaning, the child has a chance to succeed in the program); that would be ideal.

Exactly. Admissions protesters are always citing that they have higher scores and don't get in. That's just not how it works. Once you achieve a minimum standard on scores, everyone is qualified to get in (based on their score). Then, there are other factors to consider. Why is this so hard to understand?

Quota queen, do you actually listen to yourself? The only reason that the minimum score is lowered is to allow for URMs to be accepted who have inferior test scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no interest in TJ, but why don’t they implement a similar application/acceptance system of Ivy League and other good colleges:

Have the test but also take into consideration background, personality, extracurricular activities etc? Do they have to write an essay? Is there an interview?

Yes, it would probably mean that an Asian or white male would have to score much higher on the test than a Hispanic or black female, but as long the black/hispanic (some other race) scores enough or the minimum they consider acceptable (meaning, the child has a chance to succeed in the program); that would be ideal.

I 100 percent agree with this. In addition to scores, students need to be able to actually COMMUNICATE effectively. I actually suggested interviews to the FCAG (at least for the Appeals process in AAP) but of course they said, too many resources needed!

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Anonymous wrote:White person here. I don't understand why Asians have problems with African American and Hispanic students in the top tier high schools in our country.

High school stats should reflect the population stats.

You're missing the point. Asians don't have problems with Blacks and Hispanics at TJ. Some people (some of which are Asian) have a problem with lowering admissions standards in the name of diversity. So, it's not the diversity that is objectionable (as I'd bet that most consider it preferable), it's the lower standards that is objectionable because that would eventually affect the rigor of the school. I hope you can see the difference.

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Ya get what ya vote for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:White person here. I don't understand why Asians have problems with African American and Hispanic students in the top tier high schools in our country.

High school stats should reflect the population stats.

You're missing the point. Asians don't have problems with Blacks and Hispanics at TJ. Some people (some of which are Asian) have a problem with lowering admissions standards in the name of diversity. So, it's not the diversity that is objectionable (as I'd bet that most consider it preferable), it's the lower standards that is objectionable because that would eventually affect the rigor of the school. I hope you can see the difference.

You call them lower standards. They are diversified standards. How did you figure that test scores show it all?

If some Asians or other people think the standards are getting lower, they don't have to apply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:White person here. I don't understand why Asians have problems with African American and Hispanic students in the top tier high schools in our country.

High school stats should reflect the population stats.

Unfortunately, if you are using a testing system, scoring on testing is not equally distributed among a non-homologous population due to a variety of factors. This is further complicated by the number of people who choose to apply.

It is politically inconvenient.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:White person here. I don't understand why Asians have problems with African American and Hispanic students in the top tier high schools in our country.

High school stats should reflect the population stats.

You're missing the point. Asians don't have problems with Blacks and Hispanics at TJ. Some people (some of which are Asian) have a problem with lowering admissions standards in the name of diversity. So, it's not the diversity that is objectionable (as I'd bet that most consider it preferable), it's the lower standards that is objectionable because that would eventually affect the rigor of the school. I hope you can see the difference.

You call them lower standards. They are diversified standards. How did you figure that test scores show it all?

If some Asians or other people think the standards are getting lower, they don't have to apply.

"Diversified standards" sounds like a euphemism. I would express concerns if "diversified standards" result in more remedial classes. If they don't then its a moot point. I work in a STEM profession. If you can hack it, more power to you no matter what you look like.