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Anonymous wrote:I love these people that support the status quo. "Elite" does not have to be national at the league level. Keep it local until the end of the season. If you can't see that such a program is in everyone's best interest then you are part of the problem.

I really want to meet the morons who decided that "Elite" has to mean extensive travel. In any age group in either the ECNL or DA, the top three or four teams are elite while the rest are just average. So why not take the local ECNL and DA teams and have them match up against top local non-DA/ECNL teams and play each other twice durign the year. Take FCV, Arlinigton and then add McLean, Bethesda, MUFC, Richmond or BRYC and then add Baltimore Union, Baltimore Celtic, MRM Rush, Pipeline, SAC, Herndon, Coppermine, etc. Just among that group, you have 20+ games. Each team can do its own showcases 2-4x a year and then have local and regional playoffs, which lead to a national playoff.

If that doen's work, please give me something else that doesn't require that I travel 200+ miles to play an inferior team all for the plessure of my DD playing "elite" soccer.

It's typical in any sporting league that there are scant few top teams, then a fat section of middling ones, and some bottom feeders. ECNL and DA are no different. The teams in these two leagues are looking for highest average talent level to provide the best challenges for their mostly college bound athletes. If there was a local league that offered the same level of competition, with the same college recruiting opportunities, you might see clubs heading that way. There could be, but there isn't. And so we mush on. We are consumers who purchase the best product that meets our needs each year. Nobody is going to make their kids martyrs to further this crusade.

People still don't get it. Its like that can't even think outside the box. First, ECNL and DA are not the only teams sending players to DI and not every player playing ECNL and DA is going to play DI. Second, if you out rid of the travel and jys created a stricture that was more local league play, girls currently traveking hours to practice with ECNL or DA teams might play for their local clubs.

I can't discuss this issue with folks who are just ok accepting the status quo. I don't think the status quo is sustainable in the current environment.

Stop. There just is not enough local talent to support what you want. If you think there is then you have not seen top talent play before. The older FCV and McLean teams are top nationally ranked teams because they were formed when there were only two elite options available in VA. You will be hard pressed to find YOUNGER teams of similar caliber in the area due to dilution.

These leagues are showcase league that deliver on college exposure that draws coaches that Jeff Cup or the Disney Showcase will never match. The showcases are why parents shell out thousands of dollars. I’m sorry, but Power 5 colleges will not attend a CCL or NCSL level event. These showcases are designed to provide college coaches the opportunity to scout lots of players at fewer events. They do not have the recruiting budget to hit every club sponsored showcase up and down the East Coast.

Your dream of a revolution has been done before and the market moved in the direction it is currently because College Coaches win and the players who have talent and can afford the bill win.

You would be luck to get one or two players from any of the DA or ECNL teams in this area playing for a college soccer power/big name school. There are just not that many slots available. The coaches will go to the showcases and watch the top 2-3 players on the top teams. Everyone else is just the rest of the team. A bottom or middle of the pack DA/ECNL team will see coaches but the coaches are not really watching those teams.

First off, college coaches don't watch teams, they watch players. Even if a great player plays on a crap team, they will come.
Second, you may want to go have a look if you think only the top 1-2 players from any local teams are going to high level D1 programs.

The “crap” team must still play against strong competition to draw any interest in a player. There are just not any NCSL or ODSL kids playing at Mid Major D1 programs. And for the one or two unicorns it is not a recommended pathway for a college bound player.

A college player has to get in front of a college coach and game film is the only “cheap” way to accomplish that otherwise showcases or ID camps are the only way to get in front of a coach. And at $200 a pop for ID camps, which most are not much more than supplemental income, a player must really pop and THEN the coach might come and watch a game.

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Anonymous wrote:Our soccer club sent a notification about DMV United: “The DMV UNITED initiative has brought together organizations across the beltway region to join in sharing best practices for supporting
player development remotely and keeping them active at home. By sharing these best practices, along with club management tactics, the DMV United team stands ready to deliver impactful programming the moment it is safe for our community to return to play."

It's interesting to see which DMV clubs chose or were asked to join and which did not: https://dmvunited.org/member-clubs

Does anyone know the back-story to this organization? Is this just a bunch of local clubs trying to cover themselves during the pandemic? I can't figure out the angle.

Anyone think these clubs just joined up so they could all agree to not give refunds? Seems like that’s the only thing these teams are “United “ on

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Anonymous wrote:Our soccer club sent a notification about DMV United: “The DMV UNITED initiative has brought together organizations across the beltway region to join in sharing best practices for supporting
player development remotely and keeping them active at home. By sharing these best practices, along with club management tactics, the DMV United team stands ready to deliver impactful programming the moment it is safe for our community to return to play."

It's interesting to see which DMV clubs chose or were asked to join and which did not: https://dmvunited.org/member-clubs

Does anyone know the back-story to this organization? Is this just a bunch of local clubs trying to cover themselves during the pandemic? I can't figure out the angle.

Anyone think these clubs just joined up so they could all agree to not give refunds? Seems like that’s the only thing these teams are “United “ on

This is all about egos and clubs poaching other club’s coaches. Some area clubs underpay their coaches while a few staff members get way overpaid. And yeah, United in not giving refunds - if no one does it, why should we. Feels a little bit like collusion...

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Anonymous wrote:I love these people that support the status quo. "Elite" does not have to be national at the league level. Keep it local until the end of the season. If you can't see that such a program is in everyone's best interest then you are part of the problem.

I really want to meet the morons who decided that "Elite" has to mean extensive travel. In any age group in either the ECNL or DA, the top three or four teams are elite while the rest are just average. So why not take the local ECNL and DA teams and have them match up against top local non-DA/ECNL teams and play each other twice durign the year. Take FCV, Arlinigton and then add McLean, Bethesda, MUFC, Richmond or BRYC and then add Baltimore Union, Baltimore Celtic, MRM Rush, Pipeline, SAC, Herndon, Coppermine, etc. Just among that group, you have 20+ games. Each team can do its own showcases 2-4x a year and then have local and regional playoffs, which lead to a national playoff.

If that doen's work, please give me something else that doesn't require that I travel 200+ miles to play an inferior team all for the plessure of my DD playing "elite" soccer.

It's typical in any sporting league that there are scant few top teams, then a fat section of middling ones, and some bottom feeders. ECNL and DA are no different. The teams in these two leagues are looking for highest average talent level to provide the best challenges for their mostly college bound athletes. If there was a local league that offered the same level of competition, with the same college recruiting opportunities, you might see clubs heading that way. There could be, but there isn't. And so we mush on. We are consumers who purchase the best product that meets our needs each year. Nobody is going to make their kids martyrs to further this crusade.

People still don't get it. Its like that can't even think outside the box. First, ECNL and DA are not the only teams sending players to DI and not every player playing ECNL and DA is going to play DI. Second, if you out rid of the travel and jys created a stricture that was more local league play, girls currently traveking hours to practice with ECNL or DA teams might play for their local clubs.

I can't discuss this issue with folks who are just ok accepting the status quo. I don't think the status quo is sustainable in the current environment.

Stop. There just is not enough local talent to support what you want. If you think there is then you have not seen top talent play before. The older FCV and McLean teams are top nationally ranked teams because they were formed when there were only two elite options available in VA. You will be hard pressed to find YOUNGER teams of similar caliber in the area due to dilution.

These leagues are showcase league that deliver on college exposure that draws coaches that Jeff Cup or the Disney Showcase will never match. The showcases are why parents shell out thousands of dollars. I’m sorry, but Power 5 colleges will not attend a CCL or NCSL level event. These showcases are designed to provide college coaches the opportunity to scout lots of players at fewer events. They do not have the recruiting budget to hit every club sponsored showcase up and down the East Coast.

Your dream of a revolution has been done before and the market moved in the direction it is currently because College Coaches win and the players who have talent and can afford the bill win.

You would be luck to get one or two players from any of the DA or ECNL teams in this area playing for a college soccer power/big name school. There are just not that many slots available. The coaches will go to the showcases and watch the top 2-3 players on the top teams. Everyone else is just the rest of the team. A bottom or middle of the pack DA/ECNL team will see coaches but the coaches are not really watching those teams.

First off, college coaches don't watch teams, they watch players. Even if a great player plays on a crap team, they will come.
Second, you may want to go have a look if you think only the top 1-2 players from any local teams are going to high level D1 programs.

The “crap” team must still play against strong competition to draw any interest in a player. There are just not any NCSL or ODSL kids playing at Mid Major D1 programs. And for the one or two unicorns it is not a recommended pathway for a college bound player.

A college player has to get in front of a college coach and game film is the only “cheap” way to accomplish that otherwise showcases or ID camps are the only way to get in front of a coach. And at $200 a pop for ID camps, which most are not much more than supplemental income, a player must really pop and THEN the coach might come and watch a game.

You are naive if you believe that top DI programs don't take non-ECNL/DA players. I don't know any serious travel players with college ambitions playing in NCSL or ODSL. EDP and to a lesser extent, CCL, are the leagues. I know some clubs that field showcase teams that play in elite tournaments against ECNL teams. Pipeline consistently fields nationally competitive teams. Yes, ECNL is the ideal platform but you are not going to attract attention from UVA, UNC, Duke or PSU playing for a team in the ECNL's MA or NE that can't qualify for the Champions League. You are better off playing for Pipeline and going to ID Camps.

The point is to imagine a scenario where the ECNL/DA does not exist or if they do, it is consolidated while including other locally competitive teams and all league play is local. Save the travel for showcases and national playoffs. There is no need to drive 400+ miles for a league game where you beat an opponent by 5+ goals. Wake up!

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Anonymous wrote:I love these people that support the status quo. "Elite" does not have to be national at the league level. Keep it local until the end of the season. If you can't see that such a program is in everyone's best interest then you are part of the problem.

I really want to meet the morons who decided that "Elite" has to mean extensive travel. In any age group in either the ECNL or DA, the top three or four teams are elite while the rest are just average. So why not take the local ECNL and DA teams and have them match up against top local non-DA/ECNL teams and play each other twice durign the year. Take FCV, Arlinigton and then add McLean, Bethesda, MUFC, Richmond or BRYC and then add Baltimore Union, Baltimore Celtic, MRM Rush, Pipeline, SAC, Herndon, Coppermine, etc. Just among that group, you have 20+ games. Each team can do its own showcases 2-4x a year and then have local and regional playoffs, which lead to a national playoff.

If that doen's work, please give me something else that doesn't require that I travel 200+ miles to play an inferior team all for the plessure of my DD playing "elite" soccer.

It's typical in any sporting league that there are scant few top teams, then a fat section of middling ones, and some bottom feeders. ECNL and DA are no different. The teams in these two leagues are looking for highest average talent level to provide the best challenges for their mostly college bound athletes. If there was a local league that offered the same level of competition, with the same college recruiting opportunities, you might see clubs heading that way. There could be, but there isn't. And so we mush on. We are consumers who purchase the best product that meets our needs each year. Nobody is going to make their kids martyrs to further this crusade.

People still don't get it. Its like that can't even think outside the box. First, ECNL and DA are not the only teams sending players to DI and not every player playing ECNL and DA is going to play DI. Second, if you out rid of the travel and jys created a stricture that was more local league play, girls currently traveking hours to practice with ECNL or DA teams might play for their local clubs.

I can't discuss this issue with folks who are just ok accepting the status quo. I don't think the status quo is sustainable in the current environment.

Stop. There just is not enough local talent to support what you want. If you think there is then you have not seen top talent play before. The older FCV and McLean teams are top nationally ranked teams because they were formed when there were only two elite options available in VA. You will be hard pressed to find YOUNGER teams of similar caliber in the area due to dilution.

These leagues are showcase league that deliver on college exposure that draws coaches that Jeff Cup or the Disney Showcase will never match. The showcases are why parents shell out thousands of dollars. I’m sorry, but Power 5 colleges will not attend a CCL or NCSL level event. These showcases are designed to provide college coaches the opportunity to scout lots of players at fewer events. They do not have the recruiting budget to hit every club sponsored showcase up and down the East Coast.

Your dream of a revolution has been done before and the market moved in the direction it is currently because College Coaches win and the players who have talent and can afford the bill win.

You would be luck to get one or two players from any of the DA or ECNL teams in this area playing for a college soccer power/big name school. There are just not that many slots available. The coaches will go to the showcases and watch the top 2-3 players on the top teams. Everyone else is just the rest of the team. A bottom or middle of the pack DA/ECNL team will see coaches but the coaches are not really watching those teams.

First off, college coaches don't watch teams, they watch players. Even if a great player plays on a crap team, they will come.
Second, you may want to go have a look if you think only the top 1-2 players from any local teams are going to high level D1 programs.

The “crap” team must still play against strong competition to draw any interest in a player. There are just not any NCSL or ODSL kids playing at Mid Major D1 programs. And for the one or two unicorns it is not a recommended pathway for a college bound player.

A college player has to get in front of a college coach and game film is the only “cheap” way to accomplish that otherwise showcases or ID camps are the only way to get in front of a coach. And at $200 a pop for ID camps, which most are not much more than supplemental income, a player must really pop and THEN the coach might come and watch a game.

You are naive if you believe that top DI programs don't take non-ECNL/DA players. I don't know any serious travel players with college ambitions playing in NCSL or ODSL. EDP and to a lesser extent, CCL, are the leagues. I know some clubs that field showcase teams that play in elite tournaments against ECNL teams. Pipeline consistently fields nationally competitive teams. Yes, ECNL is the ideal platform but you are not going to attract attention from UVA, UNC, Duke or PSU playing for a team in the ECNL's MA or NE that can't qualify for the Champions League. You are better off playing for Pipeline and going to ID Camps.

The point is to imagine a scenario where the ECNL/DA does not exist or if they do, it is consolidated while including other locally competitive teams and all league play is local. Save the travel for showcases and national playoffs. There is no need to drive 400+ miles for a league game where you beat an opponent by 5+ goals. Wake up!

I never said non-DA/ECNL players don’t make D1 but their ability to get in front of them is very limited.

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Anonymous wrote:I love these people that support the status quo. "Elite" does not have to be national at the league level. Keep it local until the end of the season. If you can't see that such a program is in everyone's best interest then you are part of the problem.

I really want to meet the morons who decided that "Elite" has to mean extensive travel. In any age group in either the ECNL or DA, the top three or four teams are elite while the rest are just average. So why not take the local ECNL and DA teams and have them match up against top local non-DA/ECNL teams and play each other twice durign the year. Take FCV, Arlinigton and then add McLean, Bethesda, MUFC, Richmond or BRYC and then add Baltimore Union, Baltimore Celtic, MRM Rush, Pipeline, SAC, Herndon, Coppermine, etc. Just among that group, you have 20+ games. Each team can do its own showcases 2-4x a year and then have local and regional playoffs, which lead to a national playoff.

If that doen's work, please give me something else that doesn't require that I travel 200+ miles to play an inferior team all for the plessure of my DD playing "elite" soccer.

It's typical in any sporting league that there are scant few top teams, then a fat section of middling ones, and some bottom feeders. ECNL and DA are no different. The teams in these two leagues are looking for highest average talent level to provide the best challenges for their mostly college bound athletes. If there was a local league that offered the same level of competition, with the same college recruiting opportunities, you might see clubs heading that way. There could be, but there isn't. And so we mush on. We are consumers who purchase the best product that meets our needs each year. Nobody is going to make their kids martyrs to further this crusade.

People still don't get it. Its like that can't even think outside the box. First, ECNL and DA are not the only teams sending players to DI and not every player playing ECNL and DA is going to play DI. Second, if you out rid of the travel and jys created a stricture that was more local league play, girls currently traveking hours to practice with ECNL or DA teams might play for their local clubs.

I can't discuss this issue with folks who are just ok accepting the status quo. I don't think the status quo is sustainable in the current environment.

Stop. There just is not enough local talent to support what you want. If you think there is then you have not seen top talent play before. The older FCV and McLean teams are top nationally ranked teams because they were formed when there were only two elite options available in VA. You will be hard pressed to find YOUNGER teams of similar caliber in the area due to dilution.

These leagues are showcase league that deliver on college exposure that draws coaches that Jeff Cup or the Disney Showcase will never match. The showcases are why parents shell out thousands of dollars. I’m sorry, but Power 5 colleges will not attend a CCL or NCSL level event. These showcases are designed to provide college coaches the opportunity to scout lots of players at fewer events. They do not have the recruiting budget to hit every club sponsored showcase up and down the East Coast.

Your dream of a revolution has been done before and the market moved in the direction it is currently because College Coaches win and the players who have talent and can afford the bill win.

You would be luck to get one or two players from any of the DA or ECNL teams in this area playing for a college soccer power/big name school. There are just not that many slots available. The coaches will go to the showcases and watch the top 2-3 players on the top teams. Everyone else is just the rest of the team. A bottom or middle of the pack DA/ECNL team will see coaches but the coaches are not really watching those teams.

First off, college coaches don't watch teams, they watch players. Even if a great player plays on a crap team, they will come.
Second, you may want to go have a look if you think only the top 1-2 players from any local teams are going to high level D1 programs.

The “crap” team must still play against strong competition to draw any interest in a player. There are just not any NCSL or ODSL kids playing at Mid Major D1 programs. And for the one or two unicorns it is not a recommended pathway for a college bound player.

A college player has to get in front of a college coach and game film is the only “cheap” way to accomplish that otherwise showcases or ID camps are the only way to get in front of a coach. And at $200 a pop for ID camps, which most are not much more than supplemental income, a player must really pop and THEN the coach might come and watch a game.

You are naive if you believe that top DI programs don't take non-ECNL/DA players. I don't know any serious travel players with college ambitions playing in NCSL or ODSL. EDP and to a lesser extent, CCL, are the leagues. I know some clubs that field showcase teams that play in elite tournaments against ECNL teams. Pipeline consistently fields nationally competitive teams. Yes, ECNL is the ideal platform but you are not going to attract attention from UVA, UNC, Duke or PSU playing for a team in the ECNL's MA or NE that can't qualify for the Champions League. You are better off playing for Pipeline and going to ID Camps.

The point is to imagine a scenario where the ECNL/DA does not exist or if they do, it is consolidated while including other locally competitive teams and all league play is local. Save the travel for showcases and national playoffs. There is no need to drive 400+ miles for a league game where you beat an opponent by 5+ goals. Wake up!

Of course Pipeline Dad.

Since Pipeline is so great why are you at all concerned about DA or ECNL anyways? You have all that you need where you are now.

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Pipeline dad wrote:
You are naive if you believe that top DI programs don't take non-ECNL/DA players. I don't know any serious travel players with college ambitions playing in NCSL or ODSL. EDP and to a lesser extent, CCL, are the leagues. I know some clubs that field showcase teams that play in elite tournaments against ECNL teams. Pipeline consistently fields nationally competitive teams. Yes, ECNL is the ideal platform but you are not going to attract attention from UVA, UNC, Duke or PSU playing for a team in the ECNL's MA or NE that can't qualify for the Champions League. You are better off playing for Pipeline and going to ID Camps.

The point is to imagine a scenario where the ECNL/DA does not exist or if they do, it is consolidated while including other locally competitive teams and all league play is local. Save the travel for showcases and national playoffs. There is no need to drive 400+ miles for a league game where you beat an opponent by 5+ goals. Wake up!

Meanwhile Pipeline is trying to get into ECNL. Go figure.
In any event, next season, you will have the full-on MA and NE ECNL conferences available, plus another whole tier of ECNL RL action boasting a much smaller travel radius. And then your EDP's, CCL's and the multi-tiered NCLS as well, also with regional travel. Plenty of choices for the travel averse. Surely you can find a solution in here, or were you expecting ECNL and GDA to come to you?

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Pipeline dad wrote:
You are naive if you believe that top DI programs don't take non-ECNL/DA players. I don't know any serious travel players with college ambitions playing in NCSL or ODSL. EDP and to a lesser extent, CCL, are the leagues. I know some clubs that field showcase teams that play in elite tournaments against ECNL teams. Pipeline consistently fields nationally competitive teams. Yes, ECNL is the ideal platform but you are not going to attract attention from UVA, UNC, Duke or PSU playing for a team in the ECNL's MA or NE that can't qualify for the Champions League. You are better off playing for Pipeline and going to ID Camps.

The point is to imagine a scenario where the ECNL/DA does not exist or if they do, it is consolidated while including other locally competitive teams and all league play is local. Save the travel for showcases and national playoffs. There is no need to drive 400+ miles for a league game where you beat an opponent by 5+ goals. Wake up!

Meanwhile Pipeline is trying to get into ECNL. Go figure.
In any event, next season, you will have the full-on MA and NE ECNL conferences available, plus another whole tier of ECNL RL action boasting a much smaller travel radius. And then your EDP's, CCL's and the multi-tiered NCLS as well, also with regional travel. Plenty of choices for the travel averse. Surely you can find a solution in here, or were you expecting ECNL and GDA to come to you?

How many players per year in the DC area go to play at top
20 programs? Versus how many play ECNL in DC area in a given year? Just so we put all of this scholarship-chasing into perspective.

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Pipeline dad wrote:
You are naive if you believe that top DI programs don't take non-ECNL/DA players. I don't know any serious travel players with college ambitions playing in NCSL or ODSL. EDP and to a lesser extent, CCL, are the leagues. I know some clubs that field showcase teams that play in elite tournaments against ECNL teams. Pipeline consistently fields nationally competitive teams. Yes, ECNL is the ideal platform but you are not going to attract attention from UVA, UNC, Duke or PSU playing for a team in the ECNL's MA or NE that can't qualify for the Champions League. You are better off playing for Pipeline and going to ID Camps.

The point is to imagine a scenario where the ECNL/DA does not exist or if they do, it is consolidated while including other locally competitive teams and all league play is local. Save the travel for showcases and national playoffs. There is no need to drive 400+ miles for a league game where you beat an opponent by 5+ goals. Wake up!

Meanwhile Pipeline is trying to get into ECNL. Go figure.
In any event, next season, you will have the full-on MA and NE ECNL conferences available, plus another whole tier of ECNL RL action boasting a much smaller travel radius. And then your EDP's, CCL's and the multi-tiered NCLS as well, also with regional travel. Plenty of choices for the travel averse. Surely you can find a solution in here, or were you expecting ECNL and GDA to come to you?

How many players per year in the DC area go to play at top
20 programs? Versus how many play ECNL in DC area in a given year? Just so we put all of this scholarship-chasing into perspective.

+1000

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Pipeline dad wrote:
You are naive if you believe that top DI programs don't take non-ECNL/DA players. I don't know any serious travel players with college ambitions playing in NCSL or ODSL. EDP and to a lesser extent, CCL, are the leagues. I know some clubs that field showcase teams that play in elite tournaments against ECNL teams. Pipeline consistently fields nationally competitive teams. Yes, ECNL is the ideal platform but you are not going to attract attention from UVA, UNC, Duke or PSU playing for a team in the ECNL's MA or NE that can't qualify for the Champions League. You are better off playing for Pipeline and going to ID Camps.

The point is to imagine a scenario where the ECNL/DA does not exist or if they do, it is consolidated while including other locally competitive teams and all league play is local. Save the travel for showcases and national playoffs. There is no need to drive 400+ miles for a league game where you beat an opponent by 5+ goals. Wake up!

Meanwhile Pipeline is trying to get into ECNL. Go figure.
In any event, next season, you will have the full-on MA and NE ECNL conferences available, plus another whole tier of ECNL RL action boasting a much smaller travel radius. And then your EDP's, CCL's and the multi-tiered NCLS as well, also with regional travel. Plenty of choices for the travel averse. Surely you can find a solution in here, or were you expecting ECNL and GDA to come to you?

How many players per year in the DC area go to play at top
20 programs? Versus how many play ECNL in DC area in a given year? Just so we put all of this scholarship-chasing into perspective.

Do your own research champ. Sounds like you have some misconceptions going on.

[Anonymous]

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Pipeline dad wrote:
You are naive if you believe that top DI programs don't take non-ECNL/DA players. I don't know any serious travel players with college ambitions playing in NCSL or ODSL. EDP and to a lesser extent, CCL, are the leagues. I know some clubs that field showcase teams that play in elite tournaments against ECNL teams. Pipeline consistently fields nationally competitive teams. Yes, ECNL is the ideal platform but you are not going to attract attention from UVA, UNC, Duke or PSU playing for a team in the ECNL's MA or NE that can't qualify for the Champions League. You are better off playing for Pipeline and going to ID Camps.

The point is to imagine a scenario where the ECNL/DA does not exist or if they do, it is consolidated while including other locally competitive teams and all league play is local. Save the travel for showcases and national playoffs. There is no need to drive 400+ miles for a league game where you beat an opponent by 5+ goals. Wake up!

Meanwhile Pipeline is trying to get into ECNL. Go figure.
In any event, next season, you will have the full-on MA and NE ECNL conferences available, plus another whole tier of ECNL RL action boasting a much smaller travel radius. And then your EDP's, CCL's and the multi-tiered NCLS as well, also with regional travel. Plenty of choices for the travel averse. Surely you can find a solution in here, or were you expecting ECNL and GDA to come to you?

How many players per year in the DC area go to play at top
20 programs? Versus how many play ECNL in DC area in a given year? Just so we put all of this scholarship-chasing into perspective.

Do your own research champ. Sounds like you have some misconceptions going on.

DP. I agree with PP, sounds like you don't have any perspective.

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If the average roster size is 25 then you can assume that teams bring in about six to seven new players per year. Multiply by 20 and you have 120 to 140 new positions per year. Consider that between FCV and Mclean, about a dozen players are heading to schools such as FSU, Florida, UVA, Duke, Georgetown, Penn State, Clemson, and VT.

No other teams come close to producing that many players going to top schools. This gets to the point that you have one dominant team playing against mediocre teams funded by parents brainwashed into believing that you become elite and get a DI scholarship to a top program by traveling for hours to play other teams that are not any stronger than teams in the area.

UNC, which is probably the best program ever has recruited three players from the DMV in the past four years. One, played for a non-ECNL/DA team and was just drafted in the NWSL, one was at FCV (when club was ECNL) and another played for McLean (ECNL).


ECNL/DA are great platforms to get recruitied but that does not mean you need either to get recruitied by a top program. The main point of the discussion it where we will be six months from now and my bet is that parents, coaches and the powers-that-be will come to their senses and recognize that the current status quo is crazy and that given the current situation and the fact that the economy will struggle and that college sports will go through a restructuring where college scholarships for soccer might be decrease, travel soccer will become more local.

I know that many on here believe that they can drive their way to getting their kid into elite travel soccer but the writing is on the wall and the reality is that you shouldn't have to drive across multiple states to play league games.

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Anonymous wrote:If the average roster size is 25 then you can assume that teams bring in about six to seven new players per year. Multiply by 20 and you have 120 to 140 new positions per year. Consider that between FCV and Mclean, about a dozen players are heading to schools such as FSU, Florida, UVA, Duke, Georgetown, Penn State, Clemson, and VT.

No other teams come close to producing that many players going to top schools. This gets to the point that you have one dominant team playing against mediocre teams funded by parents brainwashed into believing that you become elite and get a DI scholarship to a top program by traveling for hours to play other teams that are not any stronger than teams in the area.

UNC, which is probably the best program ever has recruited three players from the DMV in the past four years. One, played for a non-ECNL/DA team and was just drafted in the NWSL, one was at FCV (when club was ECNL) and another played for McLean (ECNL).


ECNL/DA are great platforms to get recruitied but that does not mean you need either to get recruitied by a top program. The main point of the discussion it where we will be six months from now and my bet is that parents, coaches and the powers-that-be will come to their senses and recognize that the current status quo is crazy and that given the current situation and the fact that the economy will struggle and that college sports will go through a restructuring where college scholarships for soccer might be decrease, travel soccer will become more local.

I know that many on here believe that they can drive their way to getting their kid into elite travel soccer but the writing is on the wall and the reality is that you shouldn't have to drive across multiple states to play league games.

If you are such an amazing player that you can get recruited to UNC without ECNL/DA that is great. Most players are not of that caliber and they are well aware of that. So for an above average player who is talented ECNL/DA elevates their profile and visibility in ways that playing for a small club will not provide.

We all understand how amazing Pipeline is but we all can’t logistically play for Pipeline so we muddle along as best we can.

So if you can list some non ECNL/DA teams, clubs and coaches who have a history of getting multiple players recruited to top D1 programs In all ears.

List five please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the average roster size is 25 then you can assume that teams bring in about six to seven new players per year. Multiply by 20 and you have 120 to 140 new positions per year. Consider that between FCV and Mclean, about a dozen players are heading to schools such as FSU, Florida, UVA, Duke, Georgetown, Penn State, Clemson, and VT.

No other teams come close to producing that many players going to top schools. This gets to the point that you have one dominant team playing against mediocre teams funded by parents brainwashed into believing that you become elite and get a DI scholarship to a top program by traveling for hours to play other teams that are not any stronger than teams in the area.

UNC, which is probably the best program ever has recruited three players from the DMV in the past four years. One, played for a non-ECNL/DA team and was just drafted in the NWSL, one was at FCV (when club was ECNL) and another played for McLean (ECNL).


ECNL/DA are great platforms to get recruitied but that does not mean you need either to get recruitied by a top program. The main point of the discussion it where we will be six months from now and my bet is that parents, coaches and the powers-that-be will come to their senses and recognize that the current status quo is crazy and that given the current situation and the fact that the economy will struggle and that college sports will go through a restructuring where college scholarships for soccer might be decrease, travel soccer will become more local.

I know that many on here believe that they can drive their way to getting their kid into elite travel soccer but the writing is on the wall and the reality is that you shouldn't have to drive across multiple states to play league games.

If you are such an amazing player that you can get recruited to UNC without ECNL/DA that is great. Most players are not of that caliber and they are well aware of that. So for an above average player who is talented ECNL/DA elevates their profile and visibility in ways that playing for a small club will not provide.

We all understand how amazing Pipeline is but we all can’t logistically play for Pipeline so we muddle along as best we can.

So if you can list some non ECNL/DA teams, clubs and coaches who have a history of getting multiple players recruited to top D1 programs In all ears.

List five please.

Pretty entertaining “conversation” with such demands

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the average roster size is 25 then you can assume that teams bring in about six to seven new players per year. Multiply by 20 and you have 120 to 140 new positions per year. Consider that between FCV and Mclean, about a dozen players are heading to schools such as FSU, Florida, UVA, Duke, Georgetown, Penn State, Clemson, and VT.

No other teams come close to producing that many players going to top schools. This gets to the point that you have one dominant team playing against mediocre teams funded by parents brainwashed into believing that you become elite and get a DI scholarship to a top program by traveling for hours to play other teams that are not any stronger than teams in the area.

UNC, which is probably the best program ever has recruited three players from the DMV in the past four years. One, played for a non-ECNL/DA team and was just drafted in the NWSL, one was at FCV (when club was ECNL) and another played for McLean (ECNL).


ECNL/DA are great platforms to get recruitied but that does not mean you need either to get recruitied by a top program. The main point of the discussion it where we will be six months from now and my bet is that parents, coaches and the powers-that-be will come to their senses and recognize that the current status quo is crazy and that given the current situation and the fact that the economy will struggle and that college sports will go through a restructuring where college scholarships for soccer might be decrease, travel soccer will become more local.

I know that many on here believe that they can drive their way to getting their kid into elite travel soccer but the writing is on the wall and the reality is that you shouldn't have to drive across multiple states to play league games.

If you are such an amazing player that you can get recruited to UNC without ECNL/DA that is great. Most players are not of that caliber and they are well aware of that. So for an above average player who is talented ECNL/DA elevates their profile and visibility in ways that playing for a small club will not provide.

We all understand how amazing Pipeline is but we all can’t logistically play for Pipeline so we muddle along as best we can.

So if you can list some non ECNL/DA teams, clubs and coaches who have a history of getting multiple players recruited to top D1 programs In all ears.

List five please.

Pretty entertaining “conversation” with such demands

Frankly it should be very easy to list 5 non-ECNL-DA clubs, teams or coaches with a track record of sending kids to top D1 programs.