Yikes, should we sell our MoCo home and move to NoVA?

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Anonymous wrote:A couple things:

* The NoVa is for millennials, MoCo is over meme on here doesn’t play out in my experience. Older, established neighborhoods in both locations are full of aging boomers. There aren’t millennials living in SFHs in the Yorktown HS district in Arlington, McLean, Potomac, Glen Echo or Great Falls. Similarly, you see just as many young people at Mosaic as you do at Pike and Rose. If anything, if you’re looking to raise a family close in I’d argue that Bethesda and Chevy Chase are much better for families than close-in VA, like Arlington. Much better schools (BCC is a 9/10 compared to 7/10 Yorktown and 5/10 W-L) and downtown Bethesda is a much better place for teens than Clarendon because there aren’t as many young, drunk frat boys lurking around. Go both places on a Friday night and see where you’d rather have your kids hang out. There is a bigger network of private pools and clubs for families in Bethesda as well.

*MoCo is trying not to attract as much development as VA. Knocking it for not having as much job creation is odd. I’m sure if Arlington permitted mixed-use hi-rises along Lorcom Lane and Military Road it would lead to job growth, but would that be good for quality of life and make it more of a desirable place to live? Like PP said, MoCo is greener and more open. There’s a reason for that: purposefully limiting growth.

/rolls eye

Yeah you didn’t develop on purpose, it was all part of some grand strategy

Please, you elected incompetent people who scared away businesses and now you are facing a death spiral of taxes and no growth

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Anonymous wrote:A couple things:

* The NoVa is for millennials, MoCo is over meme on here doesn’t play out in my experience. Older, established neighborhoods in both locations are full of aging boomers. There aren’t millennials living in SFHs in the Yorktown HS district in Arlington, McLean, Potomac, Glen Echo or Great Falls. Similarly, you see just as many young people at Mosaic as you do at Pike and Rose. If anything, if you’re looking to raise a family close in I’d argue that Bethesda and Chevy Chase are much better for families than close-in VA, like Arlington. Much better schools (BCC is a 9/10 compared to 7/10 Yorktown and 5/10 W-L) and downtown Bethesda is a much better place for teens than Clarendon because there aren’t as many young, drunk frat boys lurking around. Go both places on a Friday night and see where you’d rather have your kids hang out. There is a bigger network of private pools and clubs for families in Bethesda as well.

*MoCo is trying not to attract as much development as VA. Knocking it for not having as much job creation is odd. I’m sure if Arlington permitted mixed-use hi-rises along Lorcom Lane and Military Road it would lead to job growth, but would that be good for quality of life and make it more of a desirable place to live? Like PP said, MoCo is greener and more open. There’s a reason for that: purposefully limiting growth.

Chevy Chase and Bethesda costs millions of dollars for homes. Sure, yeah, it's great if you're an elitist.


And lol at not trying to attract development. There's a difference between reasonably planned growth and 0 economic growth. MoCo is creating almost ZERO jobs and economic growth. It faces a huge oncoming liability for pension and its tax base is deteriorating. Tax increases are coming to MoCo because it cannot economically grow. Let's see how good your agrument that 'well at least MoCo is green' holds up when taxes increase or the county's budget gets obliterated once the huge wave of retirees comes and there is no money for schools.

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Anonymous wrote:VA is trending strong left and the next state elections will bring in a big wave of progressives and a Dem majority. The state has some sort of pro business reputation currently, most likely based on years of moderates, and developers basically getting what they wanted.. But that’s not always going to be so. Stay tuned. Change is in the air. And I agree with those who argue that some laws and policies need to be changed.

This is 100% true. Democrats ruin all prosperity and if they don't it turns into a SFO with no affordable housing and you have to kick feces out of the street as you walk.

fairfax county was 55 - 40 hillary - trump in 2016. Despite appearances, NoVA is not as hyperliberal as Maryland and DC

For references:
DC 90 - 4
MoCo was 75 - 19

Wrong as to Fairfax County being only 55-40 for Clinton in 2016:

Clinton: 355,133
Trump: 157,710

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Anonymous wrote:VA is trending strong left and the next state elections will bring in a big wave of progressives and a Dem majority. The state has some sort of pro business reputation currently, most likely based on years of moderates, and developers basically getting what they wanted.. But that’s not always going to be so. Stay tuned. Change is in the air. And I agree with those who argue that some laws and policies need to be changed.

This is 100% true. Democrats ruin all prosperity and if they don't it turns into a SFO with no affordable housing and you have to kick feces out of the street as you walk.

fairfax county was 55 - 40 hillary - trump in 2016. Despite appearances, NoVA is not as hyperliberal as Maryland and DC

For references:
DC 90 - 4
MoCo was 75 - 19

I am not sure where you are getting your information, but it's not correct. Fairfax County went 64-29 for Hillary. Also, there are several municipalities in NoVA that are not part of Fairfax County. For references:
Arlington: 76-16 Hillary/Trump
Alexandria: 76-18 Hillary/Trump
Falls Church: 76-17 Hillary/Trump
Fairfax City: 62-31 Hillary/Trump

Even Loudoun and Prince William didn't get to 40% Trump. Loudoun was 55-38, and PW was 58-37.

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Anonymous wrote:as a fiscal conservative, I agree with the doomsday predictions of MoCo (or really any political jurisdiction run by liberals)*, but I bought in close-in MoCo because it's where my job is and the houses are nice and more affordable than elsewhere.

I expect 0 appreciation over time. Think being in Chevy Chase entitles me to not depreciate, but we'll see.

*CT, NJ, Illinois, Westchester County, Chicago, etc.

It's almost like people don't believe others can drive 30-60 minutes to a job in Virginia or something. Fact: People can get to work in Virginia and live in Maryland.

Yes, but then why put up with the crappy commutes, lack of jobs, deteriorating schools

Because if the housing prices in Arlington rise at 10 percent a year like the NoVa boosters claim, then Bethesda's 2% annual increase (and superior schools) makes the extra 20 minute commute more tolerable.

Personally I’d rather have a nice house in Bethesda than pretty much any house in Arlington. Don’t really care about appreciation.

Said no investor ever.

What are you talking about? If Arlington gets too expensive, it becomes out of reach for a certain type of buyer and makes other areas more attractive.

Let me make this simple for you. Option 1: buy now in Arlington and my house will appreciate 10% per year. Option 2: buy now in Bethesda and my house will appreciate 2% per year. In what world would I rather purchase something with a 2% appreciation rate over something with a 10% appreciation rate?

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Anonymous wrote:as a fiscal conservative, I agree with the doomsday predictions of MoCo (or really any political jurisdiction run by liberals)*, but I bought in close-in MoCo because it's where my job is and the houses are nice and more affordable than elsewhere.

I expect 0 appreciation over time. Think being in Chevy Chase entitles me to not depreciate, but we'll see.

*CT, NJ, Illinois, Westchester County, Chicago, etc.

It's almost like people don't believe others can drive 30-60 minutes to a job in Virginia or something. Fact: People can get to work in Virginia and live in Maryland.

Yes, but then why put up with the crappy commutes, lack of jobs, deteriorating schools

Because if the housing prices in Arlington rise at 10 percent a year like the NoVa boosters claim, then Bethesda's 2% annual increase (and superior schools) makes the extra 20 minute commute more tolerable.

Personally I’d rather have a nice house in Bethesda than pretty much any house in Arlington. Don’t really care about appreciation.

Personally I’d rather have a nice house in Bethesda than pretty much any house in Arlington. Don’t really care about appreciation.

Said no investor ever.

What are you talking about? If Arlington gets too expensive, it becomes out of reach for a certain type of buyer and makes other areas more attractive.

Let me make this simple for you. Option 1: buy now in Arlington and my house will appreciate 10% per year. Option 2: buy now in Bethesda and my house will appreciate 2% per year. In what world would I rather purchase something with a 2% appreciation rate over something with a 10% appreciation rate?

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Anonymous wrote:as a fiscal conservative, I agree with the doomsday predictions of MoCo (or really any political jurisdiction run by liberals)*, but I bought in close-in MoCo because it's where my job is and the houses are nice and more affordable than elsewhere.

I expect 0 appreciation over time. Think being in Chevy Chase entitles me to not depreciate, but we'll see.

*CT, NJ, Illinois, Westchester County, Chicago, etc.

It's almost like people don't believe others can drive 30-60 minutes to a job in Virginia or something. Fact: People can get to work in Virginia and live in Maryland.

Yes, but then why put up with the crappy commutes, lack of jobs, deteriorating schools

Because if the housing prices in Arlington rise at 10 percent a year like the NoVa boosters claim, then Bethesda's 2% annual increase (and superior schools) makes the extra 20 minute commute more tolerable.

Personally I’d rather have a nice house in Bethesda than pretty much any house in Arlington. Don’t really care about appreciation.

Personally I’d rather have a nice house in Bethesda than pretty much any house in Arlington. Don’t really care about appreciation.

Said no investor ever.

What are you talking about? If Arlington gets too expensive, it becomes out of reach for a certain type of buyer and makes other areas more attractive.

Let me make this simple for you. Option 1: buy now in Arlington and my house will appreciate 10% per year. Option 2: buy now in Bethesda and my house will appreciate 2% per year. In what world would I rather purchase something with a 2% appreciation rate over something with a 10% appreciation rate?

Personally I’d rather have a nice house in Bethesda than pretty much any house in Arlington. Don’t really care about appreciation.

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This is just a troll post, or if not, then just another way someone is reposting to argue that MoCo is declining, which to me amounts to the same thing,

No person who owns a house in MoCo and works in DC seriously considers selling their house in MoCo and moving to Va because the next time they are looking for a job it might be easier to find one in Va than MoCo.

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lol at MoCo purposely slowing development. Cmon now; that's great spin.

The reality is that MoCo has some economic development issues. While they do have great incentives for businesses and a GREAT biotech/pharma industry, they have a lot to go.

As for it being greener, there might be an arguement for that - part of the county is reserved for agriculture (the Ag Reserve) so tehre's that.

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I see decades of NoVa having an inferiority complex doesn’t shake easily even with a cycle of prosperity

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Anonymous wrote:as a fiscal conservative, I agree with the doomsday predictions of MoCo (or really any political jurisdiction run by liberals)*, but I bought in close-in MoCo because it's where my job is and the houses are nice and more affordable than elsewhere.

I expect 0 appreciation over time. Think being in Chevy Chase entitles me to not depreciate, but we'll see.

*CT, NJ, Illinois, Westchester County, Chicago, etc.

It's almost like people don't believe others can drive 30-60 minutes to a job in Virginia or something. Fact: People can get to work in Virginia and live in Maryland.

Yes, but then why put up with the crappy commutes, lack of jobs, deteriorating schools

Because if the housing prices in Arlington rise at 10 percent a year like the NoVa boosters claim, then Bethesda's 2% annual increase (and superior schools) makes the extra 20 minute commute more tolerable.

Said no investor ever.

Guess you spend little time in Montgomery County. "The brown people" are a major topic of conversation.

What are you talking about? If Arlington gets too expensive, it becomes out of reach for a certain type of buyer and makes other areas more attractive.

Yes we call those people “poor minorities” and they will all end up in MoCo

Well there it is. The biggest difference between MoCo and NOVA. The racism.

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Unless you can afford 1 million for a home in close in NoVa, I don't think it is worth it to live in Fairfax county due to congestion and the lack of urban planning.

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Lets think logically, MD is terrible because of liberal policies, moving to VA will destroy it as well

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Anonymous wrote:I see decades of NoVa having an inferiority complex doesn’t shake easily even with a cycle of prosperity

Well, it's more like decades of prosperity, and enough to lead MoCo to pay consultants to advise the county on how to catch up to Fairfax.

The last time Fairfax paid any attention to MoCo was back in the 1970s.

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Anonymous wrote:I see decades of NoVa having an inferiority complex doesn’t shake easily even with a cycle of prosperity

Well, it's more like decades of prosperity, and enough to lead MoCo to pay consultants to advise the county on how to catch up to Fairfax.

The last time Fairfax paid any attention to MoCo was back in the 1970s.

Sure ok