How and why is Baltimore so troubled? Is there any solution or is it terminally doomed?

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Anonymous wrote:Study the history. Racist housing policies created dead zones in the inner city. Invest in some stores and businesses and medical facilities and grocery stores in areas that have nothing but liquor stores. A resident can’t get a job if s/he can’t get to it.

Investment happens in whites areas, just perpetuating the same problems.


And stores can’t stay in business if the merchandise keeps disappearing, they are regularly robbed at gunpoint, and the local job pool is filled with people with poorly developed work habits.


That’s not true. It’s just your racist stereotypes. You aren’t looking for solutions.


Denying reality isn't the way to change anything, PP. Arguing that it's this or that and putting efforts and money in the wrong direction doesn't help. Nothing can happen while people are in denial.

OPeople know the way to improve these communities. I think someone even alluded to it on this thread. You need to do targeted education/campaigns and really try to RAISE those kids from the ground up, assuming almost nothing. In my mind, this would actually involve a completely different school program with completely different subjects and emphasis and rules. You need to step into the life of a 5 year old, or a 15 year old, and basically teach them what decent parents should have taught them all along from birth. But such a thing is un-PC to suggest, and so these types of REAL SOLUTIONS go ignored and the cycles continue.

In Australia, there are issues with the native indigenous communities. Alcoholism mostly, and related crimes and domestic issues. The government had to STEP OUT of those communities altogether, absolutely forget about the idea of educating them according to national standards and just let them try to sort themselves out. Luckily they tend to have very strong tribal leadership and they improve a lot this way. Actually some of them end up with a zero tolerance attitude towards all crime and all alcohol - they become "dry communities". It would have been totally outrageous and very un-PC for the government to suggest that by themselves, but since it came from within, there was no national protest and actually things are way better now. Fetal alcohol syndrome, for example, was becoming an enormous problem and it has improved a lot for obvious reasons.

Sometimes you really do need to treat people differently in order to have the best outcomes for all. Fair isn't always equal.


I work in the juvenile justice system. I currently (unfortunately) work for the state of MD in one of the all-male juvenile treatment centers for incarcerated youth. Previously, I worked at another school that was privately owned by a corporation, but the state placed young men at our facility from Maryland, 98% Baltimore and DC, and the random Frederick or Hagerstown kid occasionally. This school takes a very similar mentality to that which you mentioned. They emphasize family and community involvement. They are very much different from regular public education, intentionally.

They have 5 values that they teach the kids and staff, and every moment on campus is centered around them. They are:
-Community Connections (they are engaged with the community, through volunteering, participating in events like 5ks, attending events, catering for events, doing construction, getting jobs) to develop positive relationships and a sense of belonging and purpose.
- Environment - Their program environment is therapeutic, gender-specific and trauma-informed which promotes learning and growth through a normative atmosphere. They have many schools throughout the US, all gender-divided, and all staff are trained and re-trained on trauma informed care. *
- Positive Youth Development- This behavior management system has studied the adolescent brain, and embraces it through scientifically proven methods of bringing about change and reformation. These kids are given incentives, recognition and respect. There is a respect for the voice of the youth.
Partnerships with Families- The program aims to connect youths with their families, to help rebuild their communities.
Programming: There is structured , purposeful, pro-social and strength-based programming that is delivered by diverse, motivated staff.

The programming is really what sets these schools apart and gives them the ability to successfully impact and impart change and healing upon these kids. They have 9 hours every day of what they call programming, which is education, vocational training (every kid leaves with a certification – auto mechanic, barber, culinary, welding, etc), health and wellness [((the state calls kids in their schools Youth, like Youth Smith or Youth Johnson. These schools use the phrase ‘Student Athlete Smith’ or ‘Student Athlete Johnson.’) The kids are required to be on a sports team, even if they are entirely unathletic and uninterested. They are taught how to be on a team, how to support and motivate and learn. Along with this, the teachers/coaches/nurses/principal/everyone on campus eats meals together. Staff is offered 3 free meals a day, and a VAST majority eat at least 2 there. The dining hall is set up for family style meals, in that each table has 4 chairs. 2 kids sit with 2 adults. They are, likely for the first time, sitting down for a meal, having conversation, there are no electronics. They serve one another, and they clean up after one another. They are learning how to be a family, which due to their circumstances they have never experienced.] The last two programs are community service and clinical services. The youth become deeply involved in the local community through volunteering. Then clinical services – there is a full medical staff available for any mental or physical needs.

One thing that they emphasize is “family and community aftercare.” If you research statistics or stories about the incarcerated population, they are royally screwed over when they leave prison or jail. These schools aim to ease this transition. They work carefully with the kids’ family at home, or foster home, or guardian. They offer transitional housing. The kids, after learning and growing and being promoted through the levels of the school, can get a job and earn money. They start by working on campus, serving peers, and then transition to real jobs in the real community. The school teachers them about their paychecks, about bank accounts, about real financial information that normal school misses, and that kids who are coming from the streets absolutely know nothing about.

Sorry. This has become a novel. But I am INCREDIBLY passionate about this. This one tiny school is changing kids’ lives. SOMEHOW this must be possible to do in the public schools, and in the state-run detention/treatment centers. Where I work now, the recidivism rate is like 98%. That’s disgusting. These kids deserve better.


*Think about if you were to walk out of your house right now and see somebody get shot three times by someone driving past, and die, their blood all over the sidewalk in front of your house. Where your kids are usually standing to catch the bus. If that happened to you or me, in McLean or Frederick or Bethesda, you would be traumatized. You would cry on social media. You would seek counseling for your PTSD, your anxiety, etc.
- Now. Imagine a life where seeing someone killed is absolutely nothing remarkable. Nobody gives a damn that you are 4 and have seen 9 neighbors get shot / beat up. From the very moment you opened your eyes, your entire community is entrenched in violence. Trauma means absolutely nothing out of the ordinary to anybody, so nobody cares. Your mother or grandmother certainly did not think it was necessary to send you to intensive therapy the first time you witnessed a shooting, or your step-dad beat up your mom and siblings. Or beat you to a pulp. This changes the brain. The brain after trauma needs to be treated differently. These kids cannot be taught like a standard public school. NO WONDER THEY ARE FAILING ALL OF THE SCHOOLS. When you have multiple siblings at home that need to eat, you haven't seen mom or her boyfriend in weeks, and somebody stole your EBT card.... You do not have time or energy to give a flying fudge about geometry theorems or the Han dynasty. You also do NOT respond / if you do it is NOT WELL to being yelled at, or bells ringing, or someone demanding you do something, without respect or rapport. Trauama informed care has 5 principles : safety, choice, collaboration, trustworthiness and empowerment. Teachers and those who work in trauma informed care ensurethat the physical and emotional safety of an individual is addressed before anything else. Next, the individual needs to know that the provider, whether teacher, therapist, social worker, case manager, PO, etc., is trustworthy. Trustworthiness can be evident in the establishment and consistency of boundaries and the clarity of what is expected in regards to tasks. (Example - teacher asks her class to be quiet in the hallway. You whisper something to your friend. She yells at you and you get a detention. You respond, and the situation becomes dramatic, escalated and far larger than you whispering something to a friend. Go back to the expectation that was set. She said quiet. She did not say how quiet, or how the level of quiet would be measured. So to the student, he did nothing wrong. Technically, he didn't. Clarity of what is expected is crucial. Specific directions will change everything. ). Additionally, the more choice an individual has and the more control they have over their service experience through a collaborative effort with service providers, the more likely the individual will participate in services and the more effective the services may be. Finally, focusing on an individual's strengths and empowering them to build on those strengths while developing stronger coping skills provides a healthy foundation for individuals to fall back on if and when they stop receiving services. nine hours of daily programming focused on education, vocational training, health and wellness, community service and clinical services.
Anonymous
I looked closely at Baltimore real estate earlier this year. Loved what I saw. Despite all the naysayers, it's a vibrant city. I've been to NYC only a few times, so not that familiar with it. Maybe Baltimore doesn't have Manhattan, but maybe it doesn't want or need to have a Manhattan? It has very cute neighborhoods that remind me of Georgetown back in the day. It has gorgeous waterfront, although no doubt the water is filthy dirty. It has a thriving downtown. It has excellent restaurants, better than the DC scene. It has quite the collection of colleges and universities.

I didn't know about the blockbuster tactics of the 1950s until this thread, and it doesn't sound ethical. They didn't do any favors to the AAs who just wanted a better life for their families. Look at those people today, more than half a century later. Trapped like city rats in their ghettos.

Ended up not investing in Baltimore, although I wanted to. To me it seems prices are either stagnant, or dropping somewhat. I don't know where Baltimore is going with getting a handle on poverty and crime. I don't know what the government is doing to attract business, although as I understand it private enterprise is somewhat assuming that role (UnderArmour, JHU). At this point and as an outsider, I suspect I would lose my shirt by investing in Baltimore real estate, so I'm holding off for the time being.
Anonymous
DC has the ballooning federal government and contractors and everything that comes with it. Baltimore has nothing. Please don’t conflate DC and Baltimore as peers and act like DC bootstrapped their way they out of being a dangerous cesspool. Without fed gov, DC would still be as dumpy as Baltimore.
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It’s doomed......hopeless. Leaders are all incompetent and corrupt and the electorate is disonteeestwd.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:For anyone busting on gentrification, name one functional and successful American city where the majority of the population is poor and black. I expect crickets. . .


New Orleans
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Study the history. Racist housing policies created dead zones in the inner city. Invest in some stores and businesses and medical facilities and grocery stores in areas that have nothing but liquor stores. A resident can’t get a job if s/he can’t get to it.

Investment happens in whites areas, just perpetuating the same problems.


And stores can’t stay in business if the merchandise keeps disappearing, they are regularly robbed at gunpoint, and the local job pool is filled with people with poorly developed work habits.


That’s not true. It’s just your racist stereotypes. You aren’t looking for solutions.


Denying reality isn't the way to change anything, PP. Arguing that it's this or that and putting efforts and money in the wrong direction doesn't help. Nothing can happen while people are in denial.

People know the way to improve these communities. I think someone even alluded to it on this thread. You need to do targeted education/campaigns and really try to RAISE those kids from the ground up, assuming almost nothing. In my mind, this would actually involve a completely different school program with completely different subjects and emphasis and rules. You need to step into the life of a 5 year old, or a 15 year old, and basically teach them what decent parents should have taught them all along from birth. But such a thing is un-PC to suggest, and so these types of REAL SOLUTIONS go ignored and the cycles continue.

In Australia, there are issues with the native indigenous communities. Alcoholism mostly, and related crimes and domestic issues. The government had to STEP OUT of those communities altogether, absolutely forget about the idea of educating them according to national standards and just let them try to sort themselves out. Luckily they tend to have very strong tribal leadership and they improve a lot this way. Actually some of them end up with a zero tolerance attitude towards all crime and all alcohol - they become "dry communities". It would have been totally outrageous and very un-PC for the government to suggest that by themselves, but since it came from within, there was no national protest and actually things are way better now. Fetal alcohol syndrome, for example, was becoming an enormous problem and it has improved a lot for obvious reasons.

Sometimes you really do need to treat people differently in order to have the best outcomes for all. Fair isn't always equal.


Are you comparing black inner city youth to aboriginal tribes?


To the detriment of aboriginal tribes.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:DC has the ballooning federal government and contractors and everything that comes with it. Baltimore has nothing. Please don’t conflate DC and Baltimore as peers and act like DC bootstrapped their way they out of being a dangerous cesspool. Without fed gov, DC would still be as dumpy as Baltimore.

True.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For anyone busting on gentrification, name one functional and successful American city where the majority of the population is poor and black. I expect crickets. . .


New Orleans




Lol....funny.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For anyone busting on gentrification, name one functional and successful American city where the majority of the population is poor and black. I expect crickets. . .


New Orleans


Sorry, but it's a shithole.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For anyone busting on gentrification, name one functional and successful American city where the majority of the population is poor and black. I expect crickets. . .


New Orleans


Sorry, but it's a shithole.


+1 A failed city.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:]For anyone busting on gentrification, name one functional and successful American city where the majority of the population is poor and black. I expect crickets. . .



I would think any city where the majority of the population is poor would be considered unsuccessful by definition. Isn't a successful city one where the population has gotten better jobs and so is not poor?

I mean there are cities where the people who did well simply left - certainly that is an issue in DC - to the extent DCPS and DC's social service system have succeeded in giving people a hand up, you won't see those folks in DC - they are in PG (but also MoCo, Charles Cty, and NoVa) I bet to the extent poor black kids have done well in Baltimore schools, they now live in Baltimore County or beyond.




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Maybe they need to give a REALLY sweet deal to a big tech company or something.


Sounds like an incredibly moronic idea.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Interesting post. In the 80's Baltimore was going under serious gentrification. The Inner Harbor was a date destination, leisurely walk over to Little Italy where the Nanas still sat on their front porches, the Aquarium had new exhibits (sea horses!) and there was a huge, live music venue in a power plant (name escapes me now, was it just the Power Plant?).

After the rioters destroyed the city (what was the point of that riot anyway?|, it's continued to go downhill.

Baltimore was wayyy ahead of DC in gentrification in the 80's. I worked in a DC office overlooking Franklin Park at 14 and K in the late 80's. The park was known as needle park and johns, pimps, and prostitutes mingled with the druggies 24/7. Wasn't safe to cut through the park in daylight, due to crime, needles, homeless camps.


I think that if you don’t know why the riot occurred, you are not credible in your other statements. The immediate cause was extensively covered in the media. And underlying causes have also been discussed widely. I’m a Baltimore City native and grew up during the height of the crack epidemic a few blocks from Penn North.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:First off, it isn't oceanfront. But it is coastal in the same way DC is. Baltimore is like Philly - never going to be a city of 2+ million people again, but will do ok given proximity to other elite cities as a lower cost alternative. That's what kills St Louis/Detroit/flyiver nation.

They need to bulldoze a bunch of neighborhoods and revamp around education, distribution, and back office jobs.


Philadelphia's population is actually growing. Just a FYI. Slow but it's growing.

Lots of people completely wrote off DC in the 1980s and early 1990s. So who knows what the future holds. I agree Baltimore is deeply troubled and has extremely entrenched dysfunctional problems that will be very difficult to overcome. Philadelphia is better positioned due to having a bigger critical mass of people and more resources and the city is rebounding in a way Baltimore is not. Not as rapidly as DC has but it's not all doom or gloom there either. If anything I'd predict Philadelphia as the next hot city on the East Coast, far more affordable than either DC and New York, but not far from either, and with many great resources.

But back to Baltimore. I really don't know. I grew up in Baltimore and love Baltimore and I just don't know what the future holds. It's a constant pattern of one step forward, one step backward.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Study the history. Racist housing policies created dead zones in the inner city. Invest in some stores and businesses and medical facilities and grocery stores in areas that have nothing but liquor stores. A resident can’t get a job if s/he can’t get to it.

Investment happens in whites areas, just perpetuating the same problems.


Eh. Most of the poor urban Baltimore neighorhoods used to be solid white neighborhoods and even not that long ago. 1950 Baltimore was 80% white. I find all this blame on redlining and other racist real estate policies of the 1920s-1950s just an excuse for what the real problem is: a dysfunctional urban poor population that has no motivation or desire to change their lot. All the ones who could get out left a long time ago. But no one wants to face the simple truth: poor Baltimore is responsible for 99% of their own problems. They'd rather blame everything and everyone else.
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