% of college (swim) student-athletes who are full vs partial vs no scholarship?

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And if you have a female swimmer I’d think twice before putting her on birth control pills to ‘stop her periods’ as that can lower her natural testosterone levels , impairing her ability to put on muscle and thus get faster.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you have a female swimmer I’d think twice before putting her on birth control pills to ‘stop her periods’ as that can lower her natural testosterone levels , impairing her ability to put on muscle and thus get faster.

The combination of ethinyl estradiol and norgestimate may increase sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and decrease free testosterone resulting in a decrease in the severity of facial acne in otherwise healthy women with this skin condition.

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2005/021690lbl.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Is a 12-year-old gal with AAA, A, AA, A, A finishes last 5 tournaments good enough for D1 or Ivy?

No. This 12 yo would have to carry over those AAA times and achieve it in the next age groups. But the chances are pretty high that if you are AAA at 12, you would be able to achieve it at 17 if you train.
It also depends on which events AA-AAA was achieved: if he/she does these times only in one stroke/same event it’s not good enough. At 12 a good indicator of college ability is several AA and higher time cuts in different strokes and distances: for example, breast/free/IM or back/free/fly etc.

Nobody has any idea if your 12 yo DD will be good enough for D1 or Ivy. First of all, for an Ivy, your DD needs the grades/test scores and most students will not have them. While Ivies may bend a little for athletes, they still expect very high grades/test scores.

As for swimming, everyone here needs to understand the difference between boys and girls. If your 12 you DD has already had her growth spurt, these times are not particularly impressive. And, honestly, based on what I've seen, she may not get any faster and may actually get slower. As girls enter their teens, they often put on weight and can't swim as fast. I've seen it over and over again. If your DD has not started her growth spurt yet, then maybe she'll continue to drop time and could end up a very good swimmer and a college athlete. Boys tend to be a different because they get bigger and stronger, which generally means they swim faster as they get older. But for both boy and girl swimmers, the reality is that the early developers/early stars don't always continue to be at the top. I was at Junior/Senior Champs this weekend (which, I assume, is where OP was) and I saw kids who used to be phenoms at 12/13 because they grew early. Now, they're still very good swimmers, but many other swimmers have caught up and passed them by.

The kids who don't have the size advantage when they're young learn to work hard, while the early developers often don't have to work hard when they're young, and then don't have the drive/dedication when their peers catch up physically. All the parents of giant 12 YOs who think their kids are going to the Olympics/get college scholarships need to check themselves and realize that a lot can happen in 5-6 years.

Gee - Katie Ledecky put on weight in her teen years and she’s kicking ass. You have no idea what you are talking about. I hope that you aren’t in charge of or advising anyone.

Ledecky was an amazing natural talent, she is very tall and continued growing even after age 16, more of an exception for females. She also trained with male swimmers thus she has those times and was able to sustain that training. She also comes from an extremely wealthy family, and her parents invested in private lessons, training, nutrition, power training and all kind of support for her since very early age. However, to say that girls cannot improve after 13 is not right. I've seen several PVS girls who, after being "stuck" in shorter distances switched to other teams that specialize on longer distance around age 14-15 y.o, and eventually getting what they wanted in terms of college cuts.

Could you post the teams (not the swimmers please)?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is a 12-year-old gal with AAA, A, AA, A, A finishes last 5 tournaments good enough for D1 or Ivy?

No. This 12 yo would have to carry over those AAA times and achieve it in the next age groups. But the chances are pretty high that if you are AAA at 12, you would be able to achieve it at 17 if you train.
It also depends on which events AA-AAA was achieved: if he/she does these times only in one stroke/same event it’s not good enough. At 12 a good indicator of college ability is several AA and higher time cuts in different strokes and distances: for example, breast/free/IM or back/free/fly etc.

Nobody has any idea if your 12 yo DD will be good enough for D1 or Ivy. First of all, for an Ivy, your DD needs the grades/test scores and most students will not have them. While Ivies may bend a little for athletes, they still expect very high grades/test scores.

As for swimming, everyone here needs to understand the difference between boys and girls. If your 12 you DD has already had her growth spurt, these times are not particularly impressive. And, honestly, based on what I've seen, she may not get any faster and may actually get slower. As girls enter their teens, they often put on weight and can't swim as fast. I've seen it over and over again. If your DD has not started her growth spurt yet, then maybe she'll continue to drop time and could end up a very good swimmer and a college athlete. Boys tend to be a different because they get bigger and stronger, which generally means they swim faster as they get older. But for both boy and girl swimmers, the reality is that the early developers/early stars don't always continue to be at the top. I was at Junior/Senior Champs this weekend (which, I assume, is where OP was) and I saw kids who used to be phenoms at 12/13 because they grew early. Now, they're still very good swimmers, but many other swimmers have caught up and passed them by.

The kids who don't have the size advantage when they're young learn to work hard, while the early developers often don't have to work hard when they're young, and then don't have the drive/dedication when their peers catch up physically. All the parents of giant 12 YOs who think their kids are going to the Olympics/get college scholarships need to check themselves and realize that a lot can happen in 5-6 years.

Gee - Katie Ledecky put on weight in her teen years and she’s kicking ass. You have no idea what you are talking about. I hope that you aren’t in charge of or advising anyone.

Ledecky was an amazing natural talent, she is very tall and continued growing even after age 16, more of an exception for females. She also trained with male swimmers thus she has those times and was able to sustain that training. She also comes from an extremely wealthy family, and her parents invested in private lessons, training, nutrition, power training and all kind of support for her since very early age. However, to say that girls cannot improve after 13 is not right. I've seen several PVS girls who, after being "stuck" in shorter distances switched to other teams that specialize on longer distance around age 14-15 y.o, and eventually getting what they wanted in terms of college cuts.

Being ‘skinny’ and not gaining weight in puberty isn’t going to get you anywhere. Katie is a big strong gal and so are many of the other top swimmers.
Katie Ledeckys Family is more normal than you realize and anyone can kluge together a good nutrition and strength training program - and it doesn’t involve starving yourself.

Nobody said anything about swimmers starving themselves or being skinny. Why are you so defensive? Some female swimmers go through puberty, gain weight, gain strength, and do extremely well. But many can't adjust to the change in their bodies. top female swimmers are strong but slim. Regan Smith, who broke two American records this weekend, comes to mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is a 12-year-old gal with AAA, A, AA, A, A finishes last 5 tournaments good enough for D1 or Ivy?

No. This 12 yo would have to carry over those AAA times and achieve it in the next age groups. But the chances are pretty high that if you are AAA at 12, you would be able to achieve it at 17 if you train.
It also depends on which events AA-AAA was achieved: if he/she does these times only in one stroke/same event it’s not good enough. At 12 a good indicator of college ability is several AA and higher time cuts in different strokes and distances: for example, breast/free/IM or back/free/fly etc.

Nobody has any idea if your 12 yo DD will be good enough for D1 or Ivy. First of all, for an Ivy, your DD needs the grades/test scores and most students will not have them. While Ivies may bend a little for athletes, they still expect very high grades/test scores.

As for swimming, everyone here needs to understand the difference between boys and girls. If your 12 you DD has already had her growth spurt, these times are not particularly impressive. And, honestly, based on what I've seen, she may not get any faster and may actually get slower. As girls enter their teens, they often put on weight and can't swim as fast. I've seen it over and over again. If your DD has not started her growth spurt yet, then maybe she'll continue to drop time and could end up a very good swimmer and a college athlete. Boys tend to be a different because they get bigger and stronger, which generally means they swim faster as they get older. But for both boy and girl swimmers, the reality is that the early developers/early stars don't always continue to be at the top. I was at Junior/Senior Champs this weekend (which, I assume, is where OP was) and I saw kids who used to be phenoms at 12/13 because they grew early. Now, they're still very good swimmers, but many other swimmers have caught up and passed them by.

The kids who don't have the size advantage when they're young learn to work hard, while the early developers often don't have to work hard when they're young, and then don't have the drive/dedication when their peers catch up physically. All the parents of giant 12 YOs who think their kids are going to the Olympics/get college scholarships need to check themselves and realize that a lot can happen in 5-6 years.

Gee - Katie Ledecky put on weight in her teen years and she’s kicking ass. You have no idea what you are talking about. I hope that you aren’t in charge of or advising anyone.

Ledecky was an amazing natural talent, she is very tall and continued growing even after age 16, more of an exception for females. She also trained with male swimmers thus she has those times and was able to sustain that training. She also comes from an extremely wealthy family, and her parents invested in private lessons, training, nutrition, power training and all kind of support for her since very early age. However, to say that girls cannot improve after 13 is not right. I've seen several PVS girls who, after being "stuck" in shorter distances switched to other teams that specialize on longer distance around age 14-15 y.o, and eventually getting what they wanted in terms of college cuts.

Being ‘skinny’ and not gaining weight in puberty isn’t going to get you anywhere. Katie is a big strong gal and so are many of the other top swimmers.
Katie Ledeckys Family is more normal than you realize and anyone can kluge together a good nutrition and strength training program - and it doesn’t involve starving yourself.

Nobody said anything about swimmers starving themselves or being skinny. Why are you so defensive? Some female swimmers go through puberty, gain weight, gain strength, and do extremely well. But many can't adjust to the change in their bodies. Many top female swimmers are strong but slim. Regan Smith, who broke two American records this weekend, comes to mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is a 12-year-old gal with AAA, A, AA, A, A finishes last 5 tournaments good enough for D1 or Ivy?

No. This 12 yo would have to carry over those AAA times and achieve it in the next age groups. But the chances are pretty high that if you are AAA at 12, you would be able to achieve it at 17 if you train.
It also depends on which events AA-AAA was achieved: if he/she does these times only in one stroke/same event it’s not good enough. At 12 a good indicator of college ability is several AA and higher time cuts in different strokes and distances: for example, breast/free/IM or back/free/fly etc.

Nobody has any idea if your 12 yo DD will be good enough for D1 or Ivy. First of all, for an Ivy, your DD needs the grades/test scores and most students will not have them. While Ivies may bend a little for athletes, they still expect very high grades/test scores.

As for swimming, everyone here needs to understand the difference between boys and girls. If your 12 you DD has already had her growth spurt, these times are not particularly impressive. And, honestly, based on what I've seen, she may not get any faster and may actually get slower. As girls enter their teens, they often put on weight and can't swim as fast. I've seen it over and over again. If your DD has not started her growth spurt yet, then maybe she'll continue to drop time and could end up a very good swimmer and a college athlete. Boys tend to be a different because they get bigger and stronger, which generally means they swim faster as they get older. But for both boy and girl swimmers, the reality is that the early developers/early stars don't always continue to be at the top. I was at Junior/Senior Champs this weekend (which, I assume, is where OP was) and I saw kids who used to be phenoms at 12/13 because they grew early. Now, they're still very good swimmers, but many other swimmers have caught up and passed them by.

The kids who don't have the size advantage when they're young learn to work hard, while the early developers often don't have to work hard when they're young, and then don't have the drive/dedication when their peers catch up physically. All the parents of giant 12 YOs who think their kids are going to the Olympics/get college scholarships need to check themselves and realize that a lot can happen in 5-6 years.

Gee - Katie Ledecky put on weight in her teen years and she’s kicking ass. You have no idea what you are talking about. I hope that you aren’t in charge of or advising anyone.

Ledecky was an amazing natural talent, she is very tall and continued growing even after age 16, more of an exception for females. She also trained with male swimmers thus she has those times and was able to sustain that training. She also comes from an extremely wealthy family, and her parents invested in private lessons, training, nutrition, power training and all kind of support for her since very early age. However, to say that girls cannot improve after 13 is not right. I've seen several PVS girls who, after being "stuck" in shorter distances switched to other teams that specialize on longer distance around age 14-15 y.o, and eventually getting what they wanted in terms of college cuts.

Could you post the teams (not the swimmers please)?

You need to go to Senior Champs results sheet and it gives you top 20 finalists' teams and even those clubs training sites abbreviations.

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Sorry, specifically which sites have a distance focus? (Seeing who changed teams requires loading old results data or knowing the athletes. Its not available from the web interface to SWIMS. Also I get that not all sites/teams can cater to every athlete, so not soliciting any criticism of the teams those athletes came from.)

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, specifically which sites have a distance focus? (Seeing who changed teams requires loading old results data or knowing the athletes. Its not available from the web interface to SWIMS. Also I get that not all sites/teams can cater to every athlete, so not soliciting any criticism of the teams those athletes came from.)

This year Senior Champs give sited abbreviations

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, specifically which sites have a distance focus? (Seeing who changed teams requires loading old results data or knowing the athletes. Its not available from the web interface to SWIMS. Also I get that not all sites/teams can cater to every athlete, so not soliciting any criticism of the teams those athletes came from.)

This year Senior Champs give sited abbreviations

I noticed that too. What's NCAP/West? I assume in VA somewhere....

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, specifically which sites have a distance focus? (Seeing who changed teams requires loading old results data or knowing the athletes. Its not available from the web interface to SWIMS. Also I get that not all sites/teams can cater to every athlete, so not soliciting any criticism of the teams those athletes came from.)

This year Senior Champs give sited abbreviations

I noticed that too. What's NCAP/West? I assume in VA somewhere....

That was my question as well, probably, several NCAP sites in Virginia but we are not in VA so it was of little interest for me

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I don't have the answer here, but you could just look at which teams/sites have more swimmers in the longer events. It seems as though the bigger teams vary a great deal between the sites.

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Also, please, keep in mind that training for longer distances requires about 16 hrs of training per week. The workouts at all large clubs are usually between 3.30-7pm each weekday, plus early mornings before school couple times/week.
It takes a lot of dedication and time management to devote that much time to swimming in high school, while juggling all the homework. Imagine that for Ivy college you not only need those AAA times, but also excellent grades. I don't even know how a student can manage it in high school. There are many excellent swimmers in Potomac Valley, but many end up in "sport-oriented" colleges like Georgia, Howard etc that that Division 1 in swimming, but not really well-ranked academic institutions.

No, seriously, can someone tell me how your swimmers manage to combine studies and swimming so much at that level?