Teachers: why aren’t you weighing in on the redshirt debates?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only people in the country who seem to be having this debate are on DCUM. As I was scrolling along I happened upon this post, so I thought that I would toss my two cents into the mix.
My Two Cents: You people worry too much.

This isn't true - I have friends in the midwest and pacific northwest who are having the same discussions.

[Anonymous]

I have an early July girl - and I am worried about her maturity and ability to follow directions. I never, ever would have considered redshirting my older children, who also have summer birthdays, but this one is a handful, and I'm not sure she'll be ready.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only people in the country who seem to be having this debate are on DCUM. As I was scrolling along I happened upon this post, so I thought that I would toss my two cents into the mix.
My Two Cents: You people worry too much.

This isn't true - I have friends in the midwest and pacific northwest who are having the same discussions.

Same. This isn't a DC-only issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those who redshirt, did you have your child tested by someone (i.e., someone not involved with the current preschool, no self-interest)?

Redshirting and August boy. He was tested by 3 defferent uprofessionals with no affiliation with the preschool. One was an MD. They all said he would do better being held back a year.

Curious where do you go for the testing? What tests are there?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those who redshirt, did you have your child tested by someone (i.e., someone not involved with the current preschool, no self-interest)?

Redshirting and August boy. He was tested by 3 defferent uprofessionals with no affiliation with the preschool. One was an MD. They all said he would do better being held back a year.

Curious where do you go for the testing? What tests are there?

Also curious that professionals would suggest holding back instead of recommending supports put in place for any diagnoses learning disabilities/psychiatric diagnoses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those who redshirt, did you have your child tested by someone (i.e., someone not involved with the current preschool, no self-interest)?

Redshirting and August boy. He was tested by 3 defferent uprofessionals with no affiliation with the preschool. One was an MD. They all said he would do better being held back a year.

Curious where do you go for the testing? What tests are there?

Also curious that professionals would suggest holding back instead of recommending supports put in place for any diagnoses learning disabilities/psychiatric diagnoses.

Why do you find this so hard to believe? There are many professionals who feel current K curriculums are inappropriate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I teach a primary grade in FCPS and am killing time during a practice.

I think red-shirting is ridiculous and created a problem that didn't need to exist. What happens in my grade is that there are kids with summer birthdays held back for K who are way more mature and advanced than kids who went on time. So, I basically do my best to meet the kids where they are, but I have been in many CLT or kid watch meetings where a teacher would go on about a kid who is 16 months younger than the oldest kid in the class. There is a broader range of behavior expectations based on age. It just sucks that the academics ramp up and we can't modify for this so we have kids who are frustrated and this begins the whole kid watch nonsense.

Take a look at that ADHD study. I think there was a correlation by age.

I just wish we all would send our kids on time so we had a year between the kids. This year I have 18 months between my oldest and youngest.

It's interesting that in a thread where people were asking for teachers' opinions, this post was basically ignored.

The entire red-shirting thing is a parent driven thing.

I'm a former elementary school teacher who posted a few pages ago and my post was ignored as well. I said that the reason you don't hear teachers weighing in on this is because it's not something teacher give time and attention to thinking about. Redshirting is of interest to parents, not teachers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those who redshirt, did you have your child tested by someone (i.e., someone not involved with the current preschool, no self-interest)?

Redshirting and August boy. He was tested by 3 defferent uprofessionals with no affiliation with the preschool. One was an MD. They all said he would do better being held back a year.

Curious where do you go for the testing? What tests are there?

Err.. should say professionals (thanks autocorrect).

OT, LCSW x2, Developmental pediatrician.

The doctor did neurodevelopmental testing and assessment. I'm not sure exactly what the others did but I had to fol out a hundred (ok... maybe 30) decent surveys on him and his behaviors. His teachers also filled them out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those who redshirt, did you have your child tested by someone (i.e., someone not involved with the current preschool, no self-interest)?

Redshirting and August boy. He was tested by 3 defferent uprofessionals with no affiliation with the preschool. One was an MD. They all said he would do better being held back a year.

Curious where do you go for the testing? What tests are there?

Also curious that professionals would suggest holding back instead of recommending supports put in place for any diagnoses learning disabilities/psychiatric diagnoses.

Why do you find this so hard to believe? There are many professionals who feel current K curriculums are inappropriate.

Obviously this included continuing support from the various professionals. One of the lcsw s (one with the school system) said we could go ahead with K if we wanted and then he would get held back there. But others advised if we held him back now, he would be unaware of being held back. We found a traditional K for him that would also support his needs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those who redshirt, did you have your child tested by someone (i.e., someone not involved with the current preschool, no self-interest)?

Redshirting and August boy. He was tested by 3 defferent uprofessionals with no affiliation with the preschool. One was an MD. They all said he would do better being held back a year.

Curious where do you go for the testing? What tests are there?

Also curious that professionals would suggest holding back instead of recommending supports put in place for any diagnoses learning disabilities/psychiatric diagnoses.

Why do you find this so hard to believe? There are many professionals who feel current K curriculums are inappropriate.

Holding back only makes things worse for kids who need supports as the younger you start service and supports the better. So, if a true professional recommends no services but hold back, something is really off.

We never had anyone say holdback child who had a fall birthday and true SN/delays. What kind of professionals say hold back without some kind of services?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those who redshirt, did you have your child tested by someone (i.e., someone not involved with the current preschool, no self-interest)?

Redshirting and August boy. He was tested by 3 defferent uprofessionals with no affiliation with the preschool. One was an MD. They all said he would do better being held back a year.

Curious where do you go for the testing? What tests are there?

Also curious that professionals would suggest holding back instead of recommending supports put in place for any diagnoses learning disabilities/psychiatric diagnoses.

Why do you find this so hard to believe? There are many professionals who feel current K curriculums are inappropriate.

Obviously this included continuing support from the various professionals. One of the lcsw s (one with the school system) said we could go ahead with K if we wanted and then he would get held back there. But others advised if we held him back now, he would be unaware of being held back. We found a traditional K for him that would also support his needs.

An LCSW should not be doing evaluations and assessments like that. School system ones tend to have huge bias and generally are not very good. You should have started with a developmental ped. Your child would be aware you held him back. If he is that delayed, he needs services and supports and if someone is telling you that you don't need them and hold back, they are making a poor recommendation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those who redshirt, did you have your child tested by someone (i.e., someone not involved with the current preschool, no self-interest)?

Redshirting and August boy. He was tested by 3 defferent uprofessionals with no affiliation with the preschool. One was an MD. They all said he would do better being held back a year.

Curious where do you go for the testing? What tests are there?

Err.. should say professionals (thanks autocorrect).

OT, LCSW x2, Developmental pediatrician.

The doctor did neurodevelopmental testing and assessment. I'm not sure exactly what the others did but I had to fol out a hundred (ok... maybe 30) decent surveys on him and his behaviors. His teachers also filled them out.

An OT should not be making those diagnosis and recommendations. Most of the time if you go to an OT, they will always find something wrong to justify services.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those who redshirt, did you have your child tested by someone (i.e., someone not involved with the current preschool, no self-interest)?

Redshirting and August boy. He was tested by 3 defferent uprofessionals with no affiliation with the preschool. One was an MD. They all said he would do better being held back a year.

Curious where do you go for the testing? What tests are there?

Also curious that professionals would suggest holding back instead of recommending supports put in place for any diagnoses learning disabilities/psychiatric diagnoses.

Why do you find this so hard to believe? There are many professionals who feel current K curriculums are inappropriate.

Obviously this included continuing support from the various professionals. One of the lcsw s (one with the school system) said we could go ahead with K if we wanted and then he would get held back there. But others advised if we held him back now, he would be unaware of being held back. We found a traditional K for him that would also support his needs.

An LCSW should not be doing evaluations and assessments like that. School system ones tend to have huge bias and generally are not very good. You should have started with a developmental ped. Your child would be aware you held him back. If he is that delayed, he needs services and supports and if someone is telling you that you don't need them and hold back, they are making a poor recommendation.

DP. Redshirting is fine for NT kids. It's fine for kids with SN too, not a poor idea.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those who redshirt, did you have your child tested by someone (i.e., someone not involved with the current preschool, no self-interest)?

Redshirting and August boy. He was tested by 3 defferent uprofessionals with no affiliation with the preschool. One was an MD. They all said he would do better being held back a year.

Curious where do you go for the testing? What tests are there?

Also curious that professionals would suggest holding back instead of recommending supports put in place for any diagnoses learning disabilities/psychiatric diagnoses.

See my response my response above.The recommendation came from a developmental pediatrician (among others). And he had been recording services both public and private for 2 years. But so glad you made your own story to respond to.

Why do you find this so hard to believe? There are many professionals who feel current K curriculums are inappropriate.

Obviously this included continuing support from the various professionals. One of the lcsw s (one with the school system) said we could go ahead with K if we wanted and then he would get held back there. But others advised if we held him back now, he would be unaware of being held back. We found a traditional K for him that would also support his needs.

An LCSW should not be doing evaluations and assessments like that. School system ones tend to have huge bias and generally are not very good. You should have started with a developmental ped. Your child would be aware you held him back. If he is that delayed, he needs services and supports and if someone is telling you that you don't need them and hold back, they are making a poor recommendation.

See my response my response above at 21:57.The recommendation came from a developmental pediatrician (among others). And he had been receivingg services both public and private for 2 years. But so glad you made your own story to respond to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those who redshirt, did you have your child tested by someone (i.e., someone not involved with the current preschool, no self-interest)?

Redshirting and August boy. He was tested by 3 defferent uprofessionals with no affiliation with the preschool. One was an MD. They all said he would do better being held back a year.

Curious where do you go for the testing? What tests are there?

Err.. should say professionals (thanks autocorrect).

OT, LCSW x2, Developmental pediatrician.

The doctor did neurodevelopmental testing and assessment. I'm not sure exactly what the others did but I had to fol out a hundred (ok... maybe 30) decent surveys on him and his behaviors. His teachers also filled them out.

An OT should not be making those diagnosis and recommendations. Most of the time if you go to an OT, they will always find something wrong to justify services.

Same poster. I agree as far as the OT. But the developmental ped made the primary recommendation.