Tell me about owning a bird.
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Read Pete Marra’s Book a year or two ago and there are multiple studies that say TNR doesn’t work. In Florida and Texas for starters, I think, but no longer have the book. If you work for the Ally Cat Allies, or the program on Oglethorpe street that does TNR, then it’s highly unlikely you’d be aware of these studies. Feeding cats so they live longer before they die of disease or freeze to death or get hit by a car is the opposite of humane. |
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Where do you live, OP? Forgive if I missed it. How about a small flock of chickens? My boys do care for their chickens. We have 8. Also, they sell the eggs. Chicks are super fun and loveable, then they go outside when they are bigger and messier.
They can be very affectionate if you raise them well. My girls and my rooster are delightful pets. Mine can free range during the day on our farm, but they have tons of cute urban coops. If you live on a small property, only get hens. I recommend something cute. We have Eastern Eggers....they lay organic blue and green eggs. It also teaches my boys about working for money as they care for the chickens but can keep the money they earn selling eggs. Of course this is subsidized by us on some of the costs, but it is a start to teaching entrepreneurism. |
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| Forgot to mention, join Backyard chickens on FB to learn about chicken care. Tons of info and a supportive group. We ordered our day old chicks from Mypetchicken.com but you will habe to wait to get just a few, they only ship in bulk this time of year so the chicks don’t die of cold. |
Anonymous
I am well aware of Pete Mara and his bizarre anti-cat agenda. Read outside of him, would be my recommendation. Killing outdoor cats - which is what Mara advocates, along with some other members of the bird community - doesn't lead to fewer outdoor cats, and doesn't accomplish what he and the other bird people want to accomplish. TNR is the only effective way of reducing outdoor cat populations. It's really strange that the anti-cat people would prefer to kill cats instead of fix them even though doing so is both crueler and less effective. |
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^ additionally, it's only two groups that phrase this debate in the terms you've used. PETA, which is a bunch of evil anti-animal crazies who actually prefer killing animals to saving them often on the grounds that death is kinder than the risk of death; I could post links for days, and bird people like Pete Mara. Every true animal welfare group supports TNR. Because it's humane and effective. |
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| Birds live for a really time- possibly decades. They poop everywhere. They're hard to train/discipline. It's a lifestyle. |
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| Owning a bird is for the birds. |
Anonymous
We had one in a group house. Nightmare. It screamed a lot. Then one roommate got mad at it and hit it. More screaming. As this was SOCAL hopefully someone just opened the window and let it go. |
Anonymous
This, all this and especially the last sentence. Probably one of the most ignorant choices in "pets" there are. Along the lines of those flying squirrels. |
Anonymous
Read Pete Marra’s Book a year or two ago and there are multiple studies that say TNR doesn’t work. In Florida and Texas for starters, I think, but no longer have the book. If you work for the Ally Cat Allies, or the program on Oglethorpe street that does TNR, then it’s highly unlikely you’d be aware of these studies. Feeding cats so they live longer before they die of disease or freeze to death or get hit by a car is the opposite of humane. I am well aware of Pete Mara and his bizarre anti-cat agenda. Read outside of him, would be my recommendation. Killing outdoor cats - which is what Mara advocates, along with some other members of the bird community - doesn't lead to fewer outdoor cats, and doesn't accomplish what he and the other bird people want to accomplish. TNR is the only effective way of reducing outdoor cat populations. It's really strange that the anti-cat people would prefer to kill cats instead of fix them even though doing so is both crueler and less effective. ^ additionally, it's only two groups that phrase this debate in the terms you've used. PETA, which is a bunch of evil anti-animal crazies who actually prefer killing animals to saving them often on the grounds that death is kinder than the risk of death; I could post links for days, and bird people like Pete Mara. Every true animal welfare group supports TNR. Because it's humane and effective. Pete Marra does NOT advocate killing cats. That’s a lie perpetuated by the TNR folks. He advocates dealing with cats responsibly. He actually says that capturing all feral cats is “hardly practical” and punts on the question of how to deal with feral cats. I remember a few years when his book came out, hundreds of you TNR folks went on Amazon and trashed his book without reading it, as many of you proudly admitted, and as you’re admitting now. Amazon had to delete most of your posts. Most “true” nature groups actually think feral and outdoor cats are a travesty, contrary to what you say. Cats are invasive species, damage the environment, kill native animals, and have already driven dozens of species to extinction. Sterilization doesn’t solve any of that because you can’t capture and sterilize all feral cats, not even in most individual colonies. And why are the “bird people” you denigrate wrong, so that native bird (and small mammal and reptile species) have less rights than your invasive cats? I don’t belong to PETA although I do contribute to City Wildlife and the American Bird Conservancy (which also thinks TNR is a crock). I’ve never met the Marta, but he’s an internationally-respected Smithsonian scientist. He knows a thing or two about the science. Sorry if you’re on the payroll of Alley Cat Allies, but facts are facts. TNR is cruel to cats and doesn’t work. |
Anonymous
I am well aware of Pete Mara and his bizarre anti-cat agenda. Read outside of him, would be my recommendation. Killing outdoor cats - which is what Mara advocates, along with some other members of the bird community - doesn't lead to fewer outdoor cats, and doesn't accomplish what he and the other bird people want to accomplish. TNR is the only effective way of reducing outdoor cat populations. It's really strange that the anti-cat people would prefer to kill cats instead of fix them even though doing so is both crueler and less effective. ^ additionally, it's only two groups that phrase this debate in the terms you've used. PETA, which is a bunch of evil anti-animal crazies who actually prefer killing animals to saving them often on the grounds that death is kinder than the risk of death; I could post links for days, and bird people like Pete Mara. Every true animal welfare group supports TNR. Because it's humane and effective. Pete Marra does NOT advocate killing cats. That’s a lie perpetuated by the TNR folks. He advocates dealing with cats responsibly. He actually says that capturing all feral cats is “hardly practical” and punts on the question of how to deal with feral cats. I remember a few years when his book came out, hundreds of you TNR folks went on Amazon and trashed his book without reading it, as many of you proudly admitted, and as you’re admitting now. Amazon had to delete most of your posts. Most “true” nature groups actually think feral and outdoor cats are a travesty, contrary to what you say. Cats are invasive species, damage the environment, kill native animals, and have already driven dozens of species to extinction. Sterilization doesn’t solve any of that because you can’t capture and sterilize all feral cats, not even in most individual colonies. And why are the “bird people” you denigrate wrong, so that native bird (and small mammal and reptile species) have less rights than your invasive cats? I don’t belong to PETA although I do contribute to City Wildlife and the American Bird Conservancy (which also thinks TNR is a crock). I’ve never met the Marta, but he’s an internationally-respected Smithsonian scientist. He knows a thing or two about the science. Sorry if you’re on the payroll of Alley Cat Allies, but facts are facts. TNR is cruel to cats and doesn’t work. Yes, much better to kill cats in order to save them. TNR is the only humane and effective way to manage outdoor cats. I do not work for Alley Cat Allies, but I am pretty sure I know who you work for. Say hi to Ingrid. |
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Pete Marra does NOT advocate killing cats. That’s a lie perpetuated by the TNR folks. He advocates dealing with cats responsibly. He actually says that capturing all feral cats is “hardly practical” and punts on the question of how to deal with feral cats. I remember a few years when his book came out, hundreds of you TNR folks went on Amazon and trashed his book without reading it, as many of you proudly admitted, and as you’re admitting now. Amazon had to delete most of your posts. Most “true” nature groups actually think feral and outdoor cats are a travesty, contrary to what you say. Cats are invasive species, damage the environment, kill native animals, and have already driven dozens of species to extinction. Sterilization doesn’t solve any of that because you can’t capture and sterilize all feral cats, not even in most individual colonies. And why are the “bird people” you denigrate wrong, so that native bird (and small mammal and reptile species) have less rights than your invasive cats? I don’t belong to PETA although I do contribute to City Wildlife and the American Bird Conservancy (which also thinks TNR is a crock). I’ve never met Marra, but he’s an internationally-respected Smithsonian scientist. He knows a thing or two about the science. Just because you’re on the payroll of Alley Cat Allies, or volunteer for them, doesn’t negate the facts. TNR is cruel to cats and doesn’t work. |