Ethnicity on applications?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With respect to the experience of children in particular, it doesn't matter what culture/race one "identifies with" but rather how they are treated by their peers and the outside world. Take the example of a Korean adopted by a white American family. For all intents and purposes, they are culturally white/American. But, they most definitely will not have the same experiences as a white child growing up in the same household.

Similarly, with half (insert ethnicity here) children, I would argue that the experience they have culturally in their household matters less than the expectations and perception of the outside world. Personally, I am half asian, but was raised with exactly zero contact with any asian relatives and asian culture. But that fact did not matter at all, as to everyone else, I was simply "asian".

The situation with admissions is definitely more complicated and nuanced, as schools attempt to build a diverse class of both experience and racial composition. Personally, I think it's unethical for a person who is physically and culturally white passing to claim 'credit' for an ethnicity or cultural group that they aren't socially 'punished' for belonging to.

Sorry, wrong again! Nothing wrong at all! Until they change the rules, we will play by the rules, and nothing wrong with claim an ethnicity that is truly yours. Yes, we are white and rich, but my mother's birth certificate says Cuba. The question asks for ethnicity. Now "how" ethnic you are.

Like I said... unethical

[Anonymous]

Regardless of what you put down they are going to meet with you then decide if you are what the need or want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: [..] the culture child was raised in is classic "east coast elite." Not a lot of family around, so minimal exposure to Latin or Middle Eastern culture while growing up.
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"Minimal exposure" is the key. To be blatantly honest I think you are just considering the ethnicity thing because it might benefit you in the application. That said, put however the kid feels like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With respect to the experience of children in particular, it doesn't matter what culture/race one "identifies with" but rather how they are treated by their peers and the outside world. Take the example of a Korean adopted by a white American family. For all intents and purposes, they are culturally white/American. But, they most definitely will not have the same experiences as a white child growing up in the same household.

Similarly, with half (insert ethnicity here) children, I would argue that the experience they have culturally in their household matters less than the expectations and perception of the outside world. Personally, I am half asian, but was raised with exactly zero contact with any asian relatives and asian culture. But that fact did not matter at all, as to everyone else, I was simply "asian".

The situation with admissions is definitely more complicated and nuanced, as schools attempt to build a diverse class of both experience and racial composition. Personally, I think it's unethical for a person who is physically and culturally white passing to claim 'credit' for an ethnicity or cultural group that they aren't socially 'punished' for belonging to.

Sorry, wrong again! Nothing wrong at all! Until they change the rules, we will play by the rules, and nothing wrong with claim an ethnicity that is truly yours. Yes, we are white and rich, but my mother's birth certificate says Cuba. The question asks for ethnicity. Now "how" ethnic you are.

Like I said... unethical

Agree, is unethical (similar to a fraud indeed -at least it is a misrepresentation)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: [..] the culture child was raised in is classic "east coast elite." Not a lot of family around, so minimal exposure to Latin or Middle Eastern culture while growing up.
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"Minimal exposure" is the key. To be blatantly honest I think you are just considering the ethnicity thing because it might benefit you in the application. That said, put however the kid feels like.

OP here - Please take the time to read what I wrote before making accusations:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reason why is that the OP is trying to figure a way get get URM status

This is the OP here. Actually, neither I nor my spouse wanted to list the underrepresented minorities on the application. It was our child who did, because our child identifies with them. Ultimately, we decided not to, precisely for the reasons that many identified. We were definitely not going for a leg up or a hook, but we did want to be true to our child and his identity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: [..] the culture child was raised in is classic "east coast elite." Not a lot of family around, so minimal exposure to Latin or Middle Eastern culture while growing up.
"

"Minimal exposure" is the key. To be blatantly honest I think you are just considering the ethnicity thing because it might benefit you in the application. That said, put however the kid feels like.

OP here - Please take the time to read what I wrote before making accusations:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reason why is that the OP is trying to figure a way get get URM status

This is the OP here. Actually, neither I nor my spouse wanted to list the underrepresented minorities on the application. It was our child who did, because our child identifies with them. Ultimately, we decided not to, precisely for the reasons that many identified. We were definitely not going for a leg up or a hook, but we did want to be true to our child and his identity.

PP of the first quote. Sorry then. I am not a native speaker and I did misinterpreted the word "disingenuous".

[Anonymous]

Middle eastern is considered white and no “diversity” benefit to specifying (went to private, am half ME half American)

[Anonymous]

How often do white people get around other white people and prove how nonwhite they are? Hmmm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How often do white people get around other white people and prove how nonwhite they are? Hmmm

Never. Or at least I never heard it.

That’s probably because for almost all white people race isn’t an issue.

When we are stereotyped or called names, we laugh it off.