Why are vegans so preachy?

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Anonymous wrote:Because they feel a moral imperative to stop the needless killing of animals. People who believe something strongly SHOULD be "preachy" about it. Doesn't mean you have to listen.

You keep saying that words. I don't think it means what you think it means.

I'm pretty sure I do know. But thanks for playing.

All available evidence to the contrary . . .

Yet you can cite none whatsoever. Lots of people are vegetarian or vegan. They do just fine. It's needless. Listen, I'm not a vegan. But I'm not so delusional that I pretend that I HAVE to eat meat or meat products in order to survive. I eat cheese and eggs because they taste good. I ate meat for most of my life because I enjoyed it. But I never needed it for survival or for health. That's just the truth.

What a narrow view - "A human doesn't need meat to survive, therefore the killing of all animals is needless." Way to lose the forest for the trees.

As our foodways exist now, there is simply no way to feed the entire population of the US a balanced vegan diet. It doesn't exist, and it would be catastrophic to try. Could we transition to that? Sure, I guess, over many, many years. So by definition, at this moment in time, we *need* to continue eating meat.

You really don't. But, let's say you're right. The problem many vegetarians and vegans have is not necessarily the eating of the meat, per se (though that is the case for many of them). It's the inhuman treatment of the animals -which is true and it's vile- and the unsanitary conditions they live it. Those conditions are a major source of pollution, water contamination, and antibiotic resistance. That people continue to eat meat on the scale they do, knowing these things, shows how lazy people are. If they spent 5 minutes educating themselves about it, they would be repulsed. As it stands, the slovenly Americans just continue to choke down burger after burger without a second thought.

All of that may be true. In fact, much of it is (although you appear to be confused about the definition of slovenly). But not of it has anything to do with "needless." So, thanks for your contribution?

Well, I said that "you really don't" which addresses the "needless" aspect. I'll go further, since you seem hell bent on not actually reading what people are saying and replying with your glib remarks. People do not NEED meat. We don't NEED milk (as the only other animal who deliberately drinks the breast milk of another animal). There is countless food wasted every day -fruits and vegetables- that could be used in lieu of meat and meat products. This is well documented. And those large, wasteland feedlots could be utilized, as well as more efficient farming methods. But, I see that you won't agree with anything anyone says. So, go eat your burger.

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Anonymous wrote:Because they feel a moral imperative to stop the needless killing of animals. People who believe something strongly SHOULD be "preachy" about it. Doesn't mean you have to listen.

You keep saying that words. I don't think it means what you think it means.

I'm pretty sure I do know. But thanks for playing.

All available evidence to the contrary . . .

Yet you can cite none whatsoever. Lots of people are vegetarian or vegan. They do just fine. It's needless. Listen, I'm not a vegan. But I'm not so delusional that I pretend that I HAVE to eat meat or meat products in order to survive. I eat cheese and eggs because they taste good. I ate meat for most of my life because I enjoyed it. But I never needed it for survival or for health. That's just the truth.

What a narrow view - "A human doesn't need meat to survive, therefore the killing of all animals is needless." Way to lose the forest for the trees.

As our foodways exist now, there is simply no way to feed the entire population of the US a balanced vegan diet. It doesn't exist, and it would be catastrophic to try. Could we transition to that? Sure, I guess, over many, many years. So by definition, at this moment in time, we *need* to continue eating meat.

You really don't. But, let's say you're right. The problem many vegetarians and vegans have is not necessarily the eating of the meat, per se (though that is the case for many of them). It's the inhuman treatment of the animals -which is true and it's vile- and the unsanitary conditions they live it. Those conditions are a major source of pollution, water contamination, and antibiotic resistance. That people continue to eat meat on the scale they do, knowing these things, shows how lazy people are. If they spent 5 minutes educating themselves about it, they would be repulsed. As it stands, the slovenly Americans just continue to choke down burger after burger without a second thought.

All of that may be true. In fact, much of it is (although you appear to be confused about the definition of slovenly). But not of it has anything to do with "needless." So, thanks for your contribution?

Well, I said that "you really don't" which addresses the "needless" aspect. I'll go further, since you seem hell bent on not actually reading what people are saying and replying with your glib remarks. People do not NEED meat. We don't NEED milk (as the only other animal who deliberately drinks the breast milk of another animal). There is countless food wasted every day -fruits and vegetables- that could be used in lieu of meat and meat products. This is well documented. And those large, wasteland feedlots could be utilized, as well as more efficient farming methods. But, I see that you won't agree with anything anyone says. So, go eat your burger.

"People don't need meat" is not the point. It may be possible, at some point in the future, to convert feedlots to farm the correct products to provide 235 million Americans with a balanced vegan dirt. But, unless you have some magic vegan fairy dust, that doesn't happen overnight. So, at this moment, we do "need" to eat animals.

Also, if you think saying, "you really don't" is "addressing" a point a PP made, your analytical skills are . . . lacking. I expect more from my 7 yo.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t find vegans to be too preachy about their diet. What I find in my experience is that, socially, they want to eat at vegan restaurants all the time. I am cool with eating a vegan meal here and there. My vegan friend came into town and wanted to try a bunch of vegan places. I went along happily, but deep down inside I thought it was incredibly selfish. I don’t need to always eat meat, but I certainly don’t want to eat your substitute meat products that are not healthy. I wanted to suggest a burger place that happens to have amazing veggie burgers and great salads, but didn’t want to offend. It was a bit of walking on egg shells when it came to figuring out our meals.

You are a very nice friend to divert from your usual diet for a couple of days! In can certainly be hard to find a good vegan meal at most restaurants. Is there anywhere in particular you enjoyed? I don’t know a ton of actual vegan restaurants in this area.

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I don't know, I'm a vegan. My kids are vegetarians, but eat a lot of vegan meals. We don't care what other people do or eat, but we don't buy meat, so if someone wants a steak, they aren't getting it here for dinner.

We eat a lot of different kinds of foods. One big thing is that we eat tons of Asian, Indian, West African, and tex-mex meals. I think cooking requires looking beyond meat, start, veg, fruit meal planning. I cook lentils, quinoa, beans, tempeh, seitan (I make amazing seitan wings inspired by City o City in Denver that even my meat eating friends requests). I like cooking and for me being a vegan requires some creativity, but it can be a great thing.

I don't like the meat industry and like a PP has issues with dairy. So, it was a combination of social and health concerns that led me here. But I'm happy, I make food that I think is yummy, and I don't begrudge anyone else's choice.

What's weird about this time in our world is that there is this sort of zero-sum view of life choices and a view that if someone isn't doing what you're doing, it's wrong. I don't think this is the case, but I see that in so many different contexts. Politics. Religion. Sex and sexuality. Racism. I wish we'd just spend more time focusing on our own happiness and less time caring about what people do.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know, I'm a vegan. My kids are vegetarians, but eat a lot of vegan meals. We don't care what other people do or eat, but we don't buy meat, so if someone wants a steak, they aren't getting it here for dinner.

We eat a lot of different kinds of foods. One big thing is that we eat tons of Asian, Indian, West African, and tex-mex meals. I think cooking requires looking beyond meat, start, veg, fruit meal planning. I cook lentils, quinoa, beans, tempeh, seitan (I make amazing seitan wings inspired by City o City in Denver that even my meat eating friends requests). I like cooking and for me being a vegan requires some creativity, but it can be a great thing.

I don't like the meat industry and like a PP has issues with dairy. So, it was a combination of social and health concerns that led me here. But I'm happy, I make food that I think is yummy, and I don't begrudge anyone else's choice.

What's weird about this time in our world is that there is this sort of zero-sum view of life choices and a view that if someone isn't doing what you're doing, it's wrong. I don't think this is the case, but I see that in so many different contexts. Politics. Religion. Sex and sexuality. Racism. I wish we'd just spend more time focusing on our own happiness and less time caring about what people do.

+1.

I would love the seitan wing recipe if f you don’t mind sharing!

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A couple of the fattest people I know are vegans. Too many fries and vegan cakes, I guess.

I have an acquaintance on FB who recently went vegan and is now posting photos of everything she eats, which all looks terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:Because they feel a moral imperative to stop the needless killing of animals. People who believe something strongly SHOULD be "preachy" about it. Doesn't mean you have to listen.

You keep saying that words. I don't think it means what you think it means.

I'm pretty sure I do know. But thanks for playing.

All available evidence to the contrary . . .

Yet you can cite none whatsoever. Lots of people are vegetarian or vegan. They do just fine. It's needless. Listen, I'm not a vegan. But I'm not so delusional that I pretend that I HAVE to eat meat or meat products in order to survive. I eat cheese and eggs because they taste good. I ate meat for most of my life because I enjoyed it. But I never needed it for survival or for health. That's just the truth.

What a narrow view - "A human doesn't need meat to survive, therefore the killing of all animals is needless." Way to lose the forest for the trees.

As our foodways exist now, there is simply no way to feed the entire population of the US a balanced vegan diet. It doesn't exist, and it would be catastrophic to try. Could we transition to that? Sure, I guess, over many, many years. So by definition, at this moment in time, we *need* to continue eating meat.

You really don't. But, let's say you're right. The problem many vegetarians and vegans have is not necessarily the eating of the meat, per se (though that is the case for many of them). It's the inhuman treatment of the animals -which is true and it's vile- and the unsanitary conditions they live it. Those conditions are a major source of pollution, water contamination, and antibiotic resistance. That people continue to eat meat on the scale they do, knowing these things, shows how lazy people are. If they spent 5 minutes educating themselves about it, they would be repulsed. As it stands, the slovenly Americans just continue to choke down burger after burger without a second thought.

All of that may be true. In fact, much of it is (although you appear to be confused about the definition of slovenly). But not of it has anything to do with "needless." So, thanks for your contribution?

Well, I said that "you really don't" which addresses the "needless" aspect. I'll go further, since you seem hell bent on not actually reading what people are saying and replying with your glib remarks. People do not NEED meat. We don't NEED milk (as the only other animal who deliberately drinks the breast milk of another animal). There is countless food wasted every day -fruits and vegetables- that could be used in lieu of meat and meat products. This is well documented. And those large, wasteland feedlots could be utilized, as well as more efficient farming methods. But, I see that you won't agree with anything anyone says. So, go eat your burger.

Actually, a lot of people do. I posted earlier that I was vegan for 1.5 years and I felt terrible on it. Mental fog, irritable, fatigue, muscle weakness, etc. I tried everything I could to feel better while remaining vegan and nothing worked. I only felt better once I started eating meat again. I absolutely need meat to function, and the majority of people do. It's great if you can make a vegan diet work but most people can't.

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So many animals are NEEDLESSLY killed during the farming of those veggies and grains. Vegans are so disconnected from actual nature that they don't realize that there's death and destruction regardless of what they eat. At least when I kill that chicken I eat that chicken, but when farmer runs over a cute little family of bunnies harvesting grain for that vegan hot dog, that's the real needless killing.

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And where do we get the fertilizer for all those veggies? They'd rather have petro-chemicals sprayed all over the ground and feel good about eating tofu? Makes no sense.

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Op, how often do you ask people why they don't eat meat? I'm a vegetarian. Over the years, I've had so many people ASK me why I don't eat meat, then get all defensive and huffy with me about why humans should eat meat. In my younger years, I felt the need to stand up for my beliefs, thereby becoming preachy. Now days I don't engage. It's very strange. It's like somebody asking you why you don't like XYZ restaurant, then getting all bent out of shape about it. Dude, why did you ask me about it if you can't handle the answer?

For those who think vegans are preachy, pay closer attention to what you're saying to them.

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I have veggie friends who are nice about it, and have met some veggies who are obnoxious. It's obnoxious to say you're veggie and then talk about all the reasons you are better than everyone else.

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NP I don't ask them; it comes up in conversation, like when I ask them if they want a hot dog at the team party. Who would ask someone why they're veggie? That's personal. Also they're asking for a lecture.

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Anonymous wrote:Because they feel a moral imperative to stop the needless killing of animals. People who believe something strongly SHOULD be "preachy" about it. Doesn't mean you have to listen.

You keep saying that words. I don't think it means what you think it means.

I'm pretty sure I do know. But thanks for playing.

All available evidence to the contrary . . .

Yet you can cite none whatsoever. Lots of people are vegetarian or vegan. They do just fine. It's needless. Listen, I'm not a vegan. But I'm not so delusional that I pretend that I HAVE to eat meat or meat products in order to survive. I eat cheese and eggs because they taste good. I ate meat for most of my life because I enjoyed it. But I never needed it for survival or for health. That's just the truth.

What a narrow view - "A human doesn't need meat to survive, therefore the killing of all animals is needless." Way to lose the forest for the trees.

As our foodways exist now, there is simply no way to feed the entire population of the US a balanced vegan diet. It doesn't exist, and it would be catastrophic to try. Could we transition to that? Sure, I guess, over many, many years. So by definition, at this moment in time, we *need* to continue eating meat.

You really don't. But, let's say you're right. The problem many vegetarians and vegans have is not necessarily the eating of the meat, per se (though that is the case for many of them). It's the inhuman treatment of the animals -which is true and it's vile- and the unsanitary conditions they live it. Those conditions are a major source of pollution, water contamination, and antibiotic resistance. That people continue to eat meat on the scale they do, knowing these things, shows how lazy people are. If they spent 5 minutes educating themselves about it, they would be repulsed. As it stands, the slovenly Americans just continue to choke down burger after burger without a second thought.

You just gave an excellent example of how being preachy has the opposite effect as intended. Had you just stated the facts in a balalance helpful way, some people might have actuallu listened and eventually adjusted thier thinking. But because you were so insulting, I want to eat a hamburger and dance around you singing songs about cow farts.

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Anonymous wrote:And where do we get the fertilizer for all those veggies? They'd rather have petro-chemicals sprayed all over the ground and feel good about eating tofu? Makes no sense.

Rather than feeding the crops to animals instead? It takes a lot more plants to produce a lb of beef than you realize.

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Anonymous wrote:Because they feel a moral imperative to stop the needless killing of animals. People who believe something strongly SHOULD be "preachy" about it. Doesn't mean you have to listen.

You keep saying that words. I don't think it means what you think it means.

I'm pretty sure I do know. But thanks for playing.

All available evidence to the contrary . . .

Yet you can cite none whatsoever. Lots of people are vegetarian or vegan. They do just fine. It's needless. Listen, I'm not a vegan. But I'm not so delusional that I pretend that I HAVE to eat meat or meat products in order to survive. I eat cheese and eggs because they taste good. I ate meat for most of my life because I enjoyed it. But I never needed it for survival or for health. That's just the truth.

What a narrow view - "A human doesn't need meat to survive, therefore the killing of all animals is needless." Way to lose the forest for the trees.

As our foodways exist now, there is simply no way to feed the entire population of the US a balanced vegan diet. It doesn't exist, and it would be catastrophic to try. Could we transition to that? Sure, I guess, over many, many years. So by definition, at this moment in time, we *need* to continue eating meat.

You really don't. But, let's say you're right. The problem many vegetarians and vegans have is not necessarily the eating of the meat, per se (though that is the case for many of them). It's the inhuman treatment of the animals -which is true and it's vile- and the unsanitary conditions they live it. Those conditions are a major source of pollution, water contamination, and antibiotic resistance. That people continue to eat meat on the scale they do, knowing these things, shows how lazy people are. If they spent 5 minutes educating themselves about it, they would be repulsed. As it stands, the slovenly Americans just continue to choke down burger after burger without a second thought.

You just gave an excellent example of how being preachy has the opposite effect as intended. Had you just stated the facts in a balalance helpful way, some people might have actuallu listened and eventually adjusted thier thinking. But because you were so insulting, I want to eat a hamburger and dance around you singing songs about cow farts.

Yeah! You go girl! Chow down and fart away.