How to combat low GBRS

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Anonymous wrote:You're assuming that the classroom teacher, AART, etc. know how to identify gifted baheviors. That is not always the case. They're not necessarily behaviors many lay people assume they are but one would hope educators would know that and know how to spot them.

So you think an AART has no training in spotting gifted behaviors?? Come on. They’re not just plucked off the street and left to figure out how to do their job.

Exactly. Sure, I think my kid is smart. But I don't presume to know more than my kid's AART when it comes to spotting gifted behavior. And this is because: (1) I have no degrees, training, or hands on experience in elementary education (other than having once been a child myself); and (2) I lack the ability to be objective when it comes to my own kid.

I presume to know more than the AART when it comes to spotting gifted behavior because I was labeled profoundly gifted as a child and I know it doesn't mean what many think it means. My child's GBRS 2 yeas ago was an 8. Her WISC was a 149. So yes, I think the AART was an idiot, along with the teachers. The committee also didn't put much stock in it. She was admitted. AAP turned out not to be advanced enough for her so she's now homeschooled and we're working on 8th grade cirriculum. She's 9. Had we left it up to the AART and the committee she'd be sitting in 4th grade Gen Ed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ you are choosing to trust one professional over another.

It turns out your kid was 2E, and whatever intervention you're doing is helping. So you are trusting the doctors, but did they prescribe meds? Not passing judgement, but if your kid is now on medication, that helps the kid focus, and that would help any kid focus, and give their best.

Child was diagnosed last year with a full psychoeducational eval and in working with the pediatrician as well. Not medicated, and no current plans to do so, per discussions with pediatrician.

I am not saying that there is anything wrong with 2E, or with any needed/beneficial interventions, and I certainly didn't want to come across that way. I was not saying that you were not right to trust your instinct, but I was only trying to point out that docs can be wrong too, even if there is a panel of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ you are choosing to trust one professional over another.

It turns out your kid was 2E, and whatever intervention you're doing is helping. So you are trusting the doctors, but did they prescribe meds? Not passing judgement, but if your kid is now on medication, that helps the kid focus, and that would help any kid focus, and give their best.

Child was diagnosed last year with a full psychoeducational eval and in working with the pediatrician as well. Not medicated, and no current plans to do so, per discussions with pediatrician.

I am not saying that there is anything wrong with 2E, or with any needed/beneficial interventions, and I certainly didn't want to come across that way. I was not saying that you were not right to trust your instinct, but I was only trying to point out that docs can be wrong too, even if there is a panel of them.

Not that this matters, but the kid in question was never referred to Level II in K-2, so I think the AART really did not know the kid at all.
I don't think the classroom teachers are "trained" in ADHD - I think they're specifically not allowed to "diagnose" anyone due to lack of expertise in the area. When I took the kiddo in for the eval, I really didn't know what I was looking for in the terms of the eval. I really didn't even know that much about ADHD myself, though once I learned more about it, everything started to make sense. I didn't even know 2E was a "thing", until I was told I had one.
I now think the Center school does have more experience with 2E kids, which has been nice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're assuming that the classroom teacher, AART, etc. know how to identify gifted baheviors. That is not always the case. They're not necessarily behaviors many lay people assume they are but one would hope educators would know that and know how to spot them.

So you think an AART has no training in spotting gifted behaviors?? Come on. They’re not just plucked off the street and left to figure out how to do their job.

Exactly. Sure, I think my kid is smart. But I don't presume to know more than my kid's AART when it comes to spotting gifted behavior. And this is because: (1) I have no degrees, training, or hands on experience in elementary education (other than having once been a child myself); and (2) I lack the ability to be objective when it comes to my own kid.

I presume to know more than the AART when it comes to spotting gifted behavior because I was labeled profoundly gifted as a child and I know it doesn't mean what many think it means. My child's GBRS 2 yeas ago was an 8. Her WISC was a 149. So yes, I think the AART was an idiot, along with the teachers. The committee also didn't put much stock in it. She was admitted. AAP turned out not to be advanced enough for her so she's now homeschooled and we're working on 8th grade cirriculum. She's 9. Had we left it up to the AART and the committee she'd be sitting in 4th grade Gen Ed.

I don't know how old you are, but isn't the area of education constantly evolving? I was in a gifted program as a child, although I don't think anyone pronounced me "profoundly gifted" (I'm not sure I was given an IQ test.) Just speaking for myself, but I know I'm not qualified to assess my child's giftedness despite my having once been identified as being so back in 1982. It sounds like your experience with the AART at your child's school has not been a good one. That's a shame. I'm glad you were able to overcome that. Our experience is much different, though. I think the AART at my child's school is very astute. She has made many observations that I haven't. I also have not had the benefit of comparing my child to others because I'm not in the classroom.

[Anonymous]

Not all AARTs are going to be equally decent at evaluating gifted behaviors. It is common for gifted programs and gifted evaluations to skew in favor of motivated high achievers rather than kids who are "gifted." I'm sure FCPS is no exception to that. It shouldn't necessarily matter, though. Kids who are gifted will be admitted based on high test scores. Kids who are not gifted, but rather are high achievers will get admitted based on GBRS and work samples.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're assuming that the classroom teacher, AART, etc. know how to identify gifted baheviors. That is not always the case. They're not necessarily behaviors many lay people assume they are but one would hope educators would know that and know how to spot them.

So you think an AART has no training in spotting gifted behaviors?? Come on. They’re not just plucked off the street and left to figure out how to do their job.

Exactly. Sure, I think my kid is smart. But I don't presume to know more than my kid's AART when it comes to spotting gifted behavior. And this is because: (1) I have no degrees, training, or hands on experience in elementary education (other than having once been a child myself); and (2) I lack the ability to be objective when it comes to my own kid.

I presume to know more than the AART when it comes to spotting gifted behavior because I was labeled profoundly gifted as a child and I know it doesn't mean what many think it means. My child's GBRS 2 yeas ago was an 8. Her WISC was a 149. So yes, I think the AART was an idiot, along with the teachers. The committee also didn't put much stock in it. She was admitted. AAP turned out not to be advanced enough for her so she's now homeschooled and we're working on 8th grade cirriculum. She's 9. Had we left it up to the AART and the committee she'd be sitting in 4th grade Gen Ed.

I don't know how old you are, but isn't the area of education constantly evolving? I was in a gifted program as a child, although I don't think anyone pronounced me "profoundly gifted" (I'm not sure I was given an IQ test.) Just speaking for myself, but I know I'm not qualified to assess my child's giftedness despite my having once been identified as being so back in 1982. It sounds like your experience with the AART at your child's school has not been a good one. That's a shame. I'm glad you were able to overcome that. Our experience is much different, though. I think the AART at my child's school is very astute. She has made many observations that I haven't. I also have not had the benefit of comparing my child to others because I'm not in the classroom.

I'm 34. Yes the area is constantly evolving but they did give IQ tests back in 1992. I also graduated HS at 15 and college at 17. I also hold numerous degrees, but you're right, maybe I'm not gifted. Nor is my daughter despite her 149 FSIQ. I'm not in a positon to assess her as such. I guess the person who gave her her IQ test 2 years ago and the state of VA who approved of her passing 7th grade cirriculum when she was 8 are all way off base too. I should go back to the AART at our base school and enroll her in 4th grader gen ed right away.

I'm not sure why you're twisting yourself in knots to defend an AART who clearly got it wrong here. AARTs are not all knowing. Do they always get it right, no. But for to push back on me saying I knew how to assess giftedness over the AART, especially when I have objective measures showing I was correct, is mind blowing to me.

[Anonymous]

get off your high horse!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're assuming that the classroom teacher, AART, etc. know how to identify gifted baheviors. That is not always the case. They're not necessarily behaviors many lay people assume they are but one would hope educators would know that and know how to spot them.

So you think an AART has no training in spotting gifted behaviors?? Come on. They’re not just plucked off the street and left to figure out how to do their job.

Exactly. Sure, I think my kid is smart. But I don't presume to know more than my kid's AART when it comes to spotting gifted behavior. And this is because: (1) I have no degrees, training, or hands on experience in elementary education (other than having once been a child myself); and (2) I lack the ability to be objective when it comes to my own kid.

I presume to know more than the AART when it comes to spotting gifted behavior because I was labeled profoundly gifted as a child and I know it doesn't mean what many think it means. My child's GBRS 2 yeas ago was an 8. Her WISC was a 149. So yes, I think the AART was an idiot, along with the teachers. The committee also didn't put much stock in it. She was admitted. AAP turned out not to be advanced enough for her so she's now homeschooled and we're working on 8th grade cirriculum. She's 9. Had we left it up to the AART and the committee she'd be sitting in 4th grade Gen Ed.

I don't know how old you are, but isn't the area of education constantly evolving? I was in a gifted program as a child, although I don't think anyone pronounced me "profoundly gifted" (I'm not sure I was given an IQ test.) Just speaking for myself, but I know I'm not qualified to assess my child's giftedness despite my having once been identified as being so back in 1982. It sounds like your experience with the AART at your child's school has not been a good one. That's a shame. I'm glad you were able to overcome that. Our experience is much different, though. I think the AART at my child's school is very astute. She has made many observations that I haven't. I also have not had the benefit of comparing my child to others because I'm not in the classroom.

I'm 34. Yes the area is constantly evolving but they did give IQ tests back in 1992. I also graduated HS at 15 and college at 17. I also hold numerous degrees, but you're right, maybe I'm not gifted. Nor is my daughter despite her 149 FSIQ. I'm not in a positon to assess her as such. I guess the person who gave her her IQ test 2 years ago and the state of VA who approved of her passing 7th grade cirriculum when she was 8 are all way off base too. I should go back to the AART at our base school and enroll her in 4th grader gen ed right away.

I'm not sure why you're twisting yourself in knots to defend an AART who clearly got it wrong here. AARTs are not all knowing. Do they always get it right, no. But for to push back on me saying I knew how to assess giftedness over the AART, especially when I have objective measures showing I was correct, is mind blowing to me.

I'm not the PP who asked if you thought you were qualified. Why do you think your daughter was given the 8 GBRS? What do you think you know about being profoundly gifted, that others don't?

I'm genuinely just curious. My own IQ is only in the mere 130s (I say that facetiously, I don't think you said anything offensive). Apparently I was tested in elementary school - my mom decided to tell me my IQ when I was in middle school, because I just didn't feel like doing school work and she thought that would show me that I should be getting better grades. FWIW - I didn't care at all about knowing my IQ then, lol. When I got to HS, I decided I actually wanted to go to a good college so I started doing work again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're assuming that the classroom teacher, AART, etc. know how to identify gifted baheviors. That is not always the case. They're not necessarily behaviors many lay people assume they are but one would hope educators would know that and know how to spot them.

So you think an AART has no training in spotting gifted behaviors?? Come on. They’re not just plucked off the street and left to figure out how to do their job.

Exactly. Sure, I think my kid is smart. But I don't presume to know more than my kid's AART when it comes to spotting gifted behavior. And this is because: (1) I have no degrees, training, or hands on experience in elementary education (other than having once been a child myself); and (2) I lack the ability to be objective when it comes to my own kid.

I presume to know more than the AART when it comes to spotting gifted behavior because I was labeled profoundly gifted as a child and I know it doesn't mean what many think it means. My child's GBRS 2 yeas ago was an 8. Her WISC was a 149. So yes, I think the AART was an idiot, along with the teachers. The committee also didn't put much stock in it. She was admitted. AAP turned out not to be advanced enough for her so she's now homeschooled and we're working on 8th grade cirriculum. She's 9. Had we left it up to the AART and the committee she'd be sitting in 4th grade Gen Ed.

I don't know how old you are, but isn't the area of education constantly evolving? I was in a gifted program as a child, although I don't think anyone pronounced me "profoundly gifted" (I'm not sure I was given an IQ test.) Just speaking for myself, but I know I'm not qualified to assess my child's giftedness despite my having once been identified as being so back in 1982. It sounds like your experience with the AART at your child's school has not been a good one. That's a shame. I'm glad you were able to overcome that. Our experience is much different, though. I think the AART at my child's school is very astute. She has made many observations that I haven't. I also have not had the benefit of comparing my child to others because I'm not in the classroom.

I'm 34. Yes the area is constantly evolving but they did give IQ tests back in 1992. I also graduated HS at 15 and college at 17. I also hold numerous degrees, but you're right, maybe I'm not gifted. Nor is my daughter despite her 149 FSIQ. I'm not in a positon to assess her as such. I guess the person who gave her her IQ test 2 years ago and the state of VA who approved of her passing 7th grade cirriculum when she was 8 are all way off base too. I should go back to the AART at our base school and enroll her in 4th grader gen ed right away.

I'm not sure why you're twisting yourself in knots to defend an AART who clearly got it wrong here. AARTs are not all knowing. Do they always get it right, no. But for to push back on me saying I knew how to assess giftedness over the AART, especially when I have objective measures showing I was correct, is mind blowing to me.

I'm not twisting myself in knots trying to defend the AART at your child's school. I don't even know this person, unless it's the AART at my child's school, which I highly doubt. Note that I acknowledged that your experience with the AART didn't sound like a good one. I'm offering a different perspective based on my experience and point of view. Maybe I'm not brilliant like you, but I do have a few years on you and have something to say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You're assuming that the classroom teacher, AART, etc. know how to identify gifted baheviors. That is not always the case. They're not necessarily behaviors many lay people assume they are but one would hope educators would know that and know how to spot them.

AART has been teaching kids Critical and Creative Thinking Strategies from K. In my kids' school, if the student is not the new one, the AART suppose to know every kids well, especially the ones either doing well in the class or showing good creativity.

[Anonymous]

I asked my teacher and AART last week and neither is willing to tell me GRBS or anything about our file.

They only say our file looks good but doesn’t want to say anything more than that.

Is it because our gbrs score is low or something wrong with our file?

Can’t wait until April and hate thinking about appeals then

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I asked my teacher and AART last week and neither is willing to tell me GRBS or anything about our file.

They only say our file looks good but doesn’t want to say anything more than that.

Is it because our gbrs score is low or something wrong with our file?

Can’t wait until April and hate thinking about appeals then

strangely, every school seems to independently decide when they release the file/tell parents the GRBS so it's nothing more that. You are one of the unlucky ones who has a school that won't share the information until after the letters are mailed. Frustrating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I asked my teacher and AART last week and neither is willing to tell me GRBS or anything about our file.

They only say our file looks good but doesn’t want to say anything more than that.

Is it because our gbrs score is low or something wrong with our file?

Can’t wait until April and hate thinking about appeals then

Apparently, not all school gives out files. There is nothing you can do from now till acceptance/rejection letter is received. So just relax. GBRS is something you can easily guess based on your interaction with teacher/feedback, your DC performance in 1st and 2nd grade etc.
IMO, if your child was in pool then GBRS will be high (13-16). If you have parent refer then GBRS could swing wide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're assuming that the classroom teacher, AART, etc. know how to identify gifted baheviors. That is not always the case. They're not necessarily behaviors many lay people assume they are but one would hope educators would know that and know how to spot them.

So you think an AART has no training in spotting gifted behaviors?? Come on. They’re not just plucked off the street and left to figure out how to do their job.

Exactly. Sure, I think my kid is smart. But I don't presume to know more than my kid's AART when it comes to spotting gifted behavior. And this is because: (1) I have no degrees, training, or hands on experience in elementary education (other than having once been a child myself); and (2) I lack the ability to be objective when it comes to my own kid.

I presume to know more than the AART when it comes to spotting gifted behavior because I was labeled profoundly gifted as a child and I know it doesn't mean what many think it means. My child's GBRS 2 yeas ago was an 8. Her WISC was a 149. So yes, I think the AART was an idiot, along with the teachers. The committee also didn't put much stock in it. She was admitted. AAP turned out not to be advanced enough for her so she's now homeschooled and we're working on 8th grade cirriculum. She's 9. Had we left it up to the AART and the committee she'd be sitting in 4th grade Gen Ed.

I don't know how old you are, but isn't the area of education constantly evolving? I was in a gifted program as a child, although I don't think anyone pronounced me "profoundly gifted" (I'm not sure I was given an IQ test.) Just speaking for myself, but I know I'm not qualified to assess my child's giftedness despite my having once been identified as being so back in 1982. It sounds like your experience with the AART at your child's school has not been a good one. That's a shame. I'm glad you were able to overcome that. Our experience is much different, though. I think the AART at my child's school is very astute. She has made many observations that I haven't. I also have not had the benefit of comparing my child to others because I'm not in the classroom.

I'm 34. Yes the area is constantly evolving but they did give IQ tests back in 1992. I also graduated HS at 15 and college at 17. I also hold numerous degrees, but you're right, maybe I'm not gifted. Nor is my daughter despite her 149 FSIQ. I'm not in a positon to assess her as such. I guess the person who gave her her IQ test 2 years ago and the state of VA who approved of her passing 7th grade cirriculum when she was 8 are all way off base too. I should go back to the AART at our base school and enroll her in 4th grader gen ed right away.

I'm not sure why you're twisting yourself in knots to defend an AART who clearly got it wrong here. AARTs are not all knowing. Do they always get it right, no. But for to push back on me saying I knew how to assess giftedness over the AART, especially when I have objective measures showing I was correct, is mind blowing to me.

Well color me confused, how can your child be 9, now and have received permission by the state of VA to pass the 7th grade "cirriculum" when she was 8, two years ago? And why has it taken her two years to work through the next year of curriculum (presumable 8th grade which it looks like she is still working through...)

I am sorry if this is mean, but honestly....I don't think anyone was saying AART's are all knowing. They add one measure to the package.