Immersion upheaval: immersion schools are changing throughout the county

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear that opening 2-way immersion schools only in areas with large Spanish speaking populations will further drive out the non-Hispanic middle class and accelerate segregation in MCPS. If MCPS is really serious about the benefits of learning a second language for all children, they would open immersion schools in Bethesda and Chevy Chase too. But they won't.

And to those who point to the popularity of the lottery immersion schools I'll say this: of 5 families I know who sent their kids to language immersion, 4 did so to avoid their low-income local school and get them into a classroom of middle class peers. If you offer them that same immersion experience at their local low-income school, they will not want it.

This is a very true statement. Some people simply can't believe it but it's true.

I believe it, but I also think it is ludicrous for people to buy in a mixed income neighborhood (because that's what they can afford) and then whine when they actually have to send their children to school with the children of the other folks who can afford to live in that neighborhood.

I don't see it in this thread, necessarily, but a local listserv blew up today about the Rolling Terrace decision and it included a fair amount of nonsense, considering that folks paid less to live in-bounds for Rolling Terrace and now have to actually use the school for which they are zoned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear that opening 2-way immersion schools only in areas with large Spanish speaking populations will further drive out the non-Hispanic middle class and accelerate segregation in MCPS. If MCPS is really serious about the benefits of learning a second language for all children, they would open immersion schools in Bethesda and Chevy Chase too. But they won't.

And to those who point to the popularity of the lottery immersion schools I'll say this: of 5 families I know who sent their kids to language immersion, 4 did so to avoid their low-income local school and get them into a classroom of middle class peers. If you offer them that same immersion experience at their local low-income school, they will not want it.

This is crazy talk. White middle class and UMC people in these areas view diversity as a feature, not a problem.

Only as a cop out to why they don’t live in Bethesda or Potomac. They don’t want their children to suffer because of it. Basically they love paper diversity but need a safe space to avoid it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear that opening 2-way immersion schools only in areas with large Spanish speaking populations will further drive out the non-Hispanic middle class and accelerate segregation in MCPS. If MCPS is really serious about the benefits of learning a second language for all children, they would open immersion schools in Bethesda and Chevy Chase too. But they won't.

And to those who point to the popularity of the lottery immersion schools I'll say this: of 5 families I know who sent their kids to language immersion, 4 did so to avoid their low-income local school and get them into a classroom of middle class peers. If you offer them that same immersion experience at their local low-income school, they will not want it.

This is a very true statement. Some people simply can't believe it but it's true.

I believe it, but I also think it is ludicrous for people to buy in a mixed income neighborhood (because that's what they can afford) and then whine when they actually have to send their children to school with the children of the other folks who can afford to live in that neighborhood.

I don't see it in this thread, necessarily, but a local listserv blew up today about the Rolling Terrace decision and it included a fair amount of nonsense, considering that folks paid less to live in-bounds for Rolling Terrace and now have to actually use the school for which they are zoned.

They love it over there lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear that opening 2-way immersion schools only in areas with large Spanish speaking populations will further drive out the non-Hispanic middle class and accelerate segregation in MCPS. If MCPS is really serious about the benefits of learning a second language for all children, they would open immersion schools in Bethesda and Chevy Chase too. But they won't.

And to those who point to the popularity of the lottery immersion schools I'll say this: of 5 families I know who sent their kids to language immersion, 4 did so to avoid their low-income local school and get them into a classroom of middle class peers. If you offer them that same immersion experience at their local low-income school, they will not want it.

This is crazy talk. White middle class and UMC people in these areas view diversity as a feature, not a problem.

Only as a cop out to why they don’t live in Bethesda or Potomac. They don’t want their children to suffer because of it. Basically they love paper diversity but need a safe space to avoid it

AKA language immersion, HGC and magnet programs. Take them away and they will go to where the safe spaces are

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear that opening 2-way immersion schools only in areas with large Spanish speaking populations will further drive out the non-Hispanic middle class and accelerate segregation in MCPS. If MCPS is really serious about the benefits of learning a second language for all children, they would open immersion schools in Bethesda and Chevy Chase too. But they won't.

And to those who point to the popularity of the lottery immersion schools I'll say this: of 5 families I know who sent their kids to language immersion, 4 did so to avoid their low-income local school and get them into a classroom of middle class peers. If you offer them that same immersion experience at their local low-income school, they will not want it.

This is a very true statement. Some people simply can't believe it but it's true.

I believe it, but I also think it is ludicrous for people to buy in a mixed income neighborhood (because that's what they can afford) and then whine when they actually have to send their children to school with the children of the other folks who can afford to live in that neighborhood.

I don't see it in this thread, necessarily, but a local listserv blew up today about the Rolling Terrace decision and it included a fair amount of nonsense, considering that folks paid less to live in-bounds for Rolling Terrace and now have to actually use the school for which they are zoned.

This is nonsensical. They have been going to this school all along.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear that opening 2-way immersion schools only in areas with large Spanish speaking populations will further drive out the non-Hispanic middle class and accelerate segregation in MCPS. If MCPS is really serious about the benefits of learning a second language for all children, they would open immersion schools in Bethesda and Chevy Chase too. But they won't.

And to those who point to the popularity of the lottery immersion schools I'll say this: of 5 families I know who sent their kids to language immersion, 4 did so to avoid their low-income local school and get them into a classroom of middle class peers. If you offer them that same immersion experience at their local low-income school, they will not want it.

This is a very true statement. Some people simply can't believe it but it's true.

I believe it, but I also think it is ludicrous for people to buy in a mixed income neighborhood (because that's what they can afford) and then whine when they actually have to send their children to school with the children of the other folks who can afford to live in that neighborhood.

I don't see it in this thread, necessarily, but a local listserv blew up today about the Rolling Terrace decision and it included a fair amount of nonsense, considering that folks paid less to live in-bounds for Rolling Terrace and now have to actually use the school for which they are zoned.

This is nonsensical. They have been going to this school all along.

Indeed, but in at least partial segregation. To be fair, the folks raising the biggest ruckus on the list didn't have school-aged kids, they were just worried in advance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear that opening 2-way immersion schools only in areas with large Spanish speaking populations will further drive out the non-Hispanic middle class and accelerate segregation in MCPS. If MCPS is really serious about the benefits of learning a second language for all children, they would open immersion schools in Bethesda and Chevy Chase too. But they won't.

And to those who point to the popularity of the lottery immersion schools I'll say this: of 5 families I know who sent their kids to language immersion, 4 did so to avoid their low-income local school and get them into a classroom of middle class peers. If you offer them that same immersion experience at their local low-income school, they will not want it.

This is a very true statement. Some people simply can't believe it but it's true.

So because you know 4 people who wanted to get out, everyone does and the programs should be dismantled. No one is going to rolling terrace to escape poverty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear that opening 2-way immersion schools only in areas with large Spanish speaking populations will further drive out the non-Hispanic middle class and accelerate segregation in MCPS. If MCPS is really serious about the benefits of learning a second language for all children, they would open immersion schools in Bethesda and Chevy Chase too. But they won't.

And to those who point to the popularity of the lottery immersion schools I'll say this: of 5 families I know who sent their kids to language immersion, 4 did so to avoid their low-income local school and get them into a classroom of middle class peers. If you offer them that same immersion experience at their local low-income school, they will not want it.

This is a very true statement. Some people simply can't believe it but it's true.

I believe it, but I also think it is ludicrous for people to buy in a mixed income neighborhood (because that's what they can afford) and then whine when they actually have to send their children to school with the children of the other folks who can afford to live in that neighborhood.

I don't see it in this thread, necessarily, but a local listserv blew up today about the Rolling Terrace decision and it included a fair amount of nonsense, considering that folks paid less to live in-bounds for Rolling Terrace and now have to actually use the school for which they are zoned.

This is nonsensical. They have been going to this school all along.

And the RT parents I know want to stay and have their kids join the dual immersion program, which would be full integration with non-immersion kids in the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear that opening 2-way immersion schools only in areas with large Spanish speaking populations will further drive out the non-Hispanic middle class and accelerate segregation in MCPS. If MCPS is really serious about the benefits of learning a second language for all children, they would open immersion schools in Bethesda and Chevy Chase too. But they won't.

And to those who point to the popularity of the lottery immersion schools I'll say this: of 5 families I know who sent their kids to language immersion, 4 did so to avoid their low-income local school and get them into a classroom of middle class peers. If you offer them that same immersion experience at their local low-income school, they will not want it.

This is a very true statement. Some people simply can't believe it but it's true.

I believe it, but I also think it is ludicrous for people to buy in a mixed income neighborhood (because that's what they can afford) and then whine when they actually have to send their children to school with the children of the other folks who can afford to live in that neighborhood.

I don't see it in this thread, necessarily, but a local listserv blew up today about the Rolling Terrace decision and it included a fair amount of nonsense, considering that folks paid less to live in-bounds for Rolling Terrace and now have to actually use the school for which they are zoned.

This is nonsensical. They have been going to this school all along.

And the RT parents I know want to stay and have their kids join the dual immersion program, which would be full integration with non-immersion kids in the school.

As the PP stated the 4 people you know who are putting a brave face on it no more represent the rest of the parents either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear that opening 2-way immersion schools only in areas with large Spanish speaking populations will further drive out the non-Hispanic middle class and accelerate segregation in MCPS. If MCPS is really serious about the benefits of learning a second language for all children, they would open immersion schools in Bethesda and Chevy Chase too. But they won't.

And to those who point to the popularity of the lottery immersion schools I'll say this: of 5 families I know who sent their kids to language immersion, 4 did so to avoid their low-income local school and get them into a classroom of middle class peers. If you offer them that same immersion experience at their local low-income school, they will not want it.

This is a very true statement. Some people simply can't believe it but it's true.

I believe it, but I also think it is ludicrous for people to buy in a mixed income neighborhood (because that's what they can afford) and then whine when they actually have to send their children to school with the children of the other folks who can afford to live in that neighborhood.

I don't see it in this thread, necessarily, but a local listserv blew up today about the Rolling Terrace decision and it included a fair amount of nonsense, considering that folks paid less to live in-bounds for Rolling Terrace and now have to actually use the school for which they are zoned.

Whether a child is in the Rolling Terrace partial immersion program, regular classes or will be part of the dual language program, said child would spend the majority of their day with the "local" kids. Partial immersion is only two classes a day (and includes hispanic, black and low income kids). So any changes to Rolling Terrace won't really have that big an effect on the amount of time kids spend with the other locals. And heaven forbid they meet on the playground. If parents think this way, they are a little confused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear that opening 2-way immersion schools only in areas with large Spanish speaking populations will further drive out the non-Hispanic middle class and accelerate segregation in MCPS. If MCPS is really serious about the benefits of learning a second language for all children, they would open immersion schools in Bethesda and Chevy Chase too. But they won't.

And to those who point to the popularity of the lottery immersion schools I'll say this: of 5 families I know who sent their kids to language immersion, 4 did so to avoid their low-income local school and get them into a classroom of middle class peers. If you offer them that same immersion experience at their local low-income school, they will not want it.

This is a very true statement. Some people simply can't believe it but it's true.

I believe it, but I also think it is ludicrous for people to buy in a mixed income neighborhood (because that's what they can afford) and then whine when they actually have to send their children to school with the children of the other folks who can afford to live in that neighborhood.

I don't see it in this thread, necessarily, but a local listserv blew up today about the Rolling Terrace decision and it included a fair amount of nonsense, considering that folks paid less to live in-bounds for Rolling Terrace and now have to actually use the school for which they are zoned.

This is nonsensical. They have been going to this school all along.

And the RT parents I know want to stay and have their kids join the dual immersion program, which would be full integration with non-immersion kids in the school.

I second that. Dual language would be better in many respects. Every pupil would have all subjects in Spanish and English and would become literate in both. That's great for the community. (You wouldn't know it by reading some of these posts, but a lot of people care about what's best for the community.) Many people currently at RT partial immersion would love to have their children take part in it. And as others have posted, the partial immersion is only for a short time each day. No one is in it to keep their kids away from the poor people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear that opening 2-way immersion schools only in areas with large Spanish speaking populations will further drive out the non-Hispanic middle class and accelerate segregation in MCPS. If MCPS is really serious about the benefits of learning a second language for all children, they would open immersion schools in Bethesda and Chevy Chase too. But they won't.

And to those who point to the popularity of the lottery immersion schools I'll say this: of 5 families I know who sent their kids to language immersion, 4 did so to avoid their low-income local school and get them into a classroom of middle class peers. If you offer them that same immersion experience at their local low-income school, they will not want it.

This is crazy talk. White middle class and UMC people in these areas view diversity as a feature, not a problem.

Only as a cop out to why they don’t live in Bethesda or Potomac. They don’t want their children to suffer because of it. Basically they love paper diversity but need a safe space to avoid it

I'm glad you are just trolling. I would feel bad thinking there are poor people in Bethesda or Potomac trying to keep up with the Joneses, and consoling themselves by thinking that at least white people in Silver Spring secretly hate living near minorities and wish they could be just like them, if only they could afford it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I'm glad you are just trolling. I would feel bad thinking there are poor people in Bethesda or Potomac trying to keep up with the Joneses, and consoling themselves by thinking that at least white people in Silver Spring secretly hate living near minorities and wish they could be just like them, if only they could afford it.

This shows up commonly here -- that is

poster #1: we like living in [place that is not Bethesda or Potomac], and we're happy with the schools our kids go to.
poster #2: no you don't, and no you're not.

I don't know if it's just one person trolling, or multiple trolls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear that opening 2-way immersion schools only in areas with large Spanish speaking populations will further drive out the non-Hispanic middle class and accelerate segregation in MCPS. If MCPS is really serious about the benefits of learning a second language for all children, they would open immersion schools in Bethesda and Chevy Chase too. But they won't.

And to those who point to the popularity of the lottery immersion schools I'll say this: of 5 families I know who sent their kids to language immersion, 4 did so to avoid their low-income local school and get them into a classroom of middle class peers. If you offer them that same immersion experience at their local low-income school, they will not want it.

This is crazy talk. White middle class and UMC people in these areas view diversity as a feature, not a problem.

Only as a cop out to why they don’t live in Bethesda or Potomac. They don’t want their children to suffer because of it. Basically they love paper diversity but need a safe space to avoid it

I'm glad you are just trolling. I would feel bad thinking there are poor people in Bethesda or Potomac trying to keep up with the Joneses, and consoling themselves by thinking that at least white people in Silver Spring secretly hate living near minorities and wish they could be just like them, if only they could afford it.

I am sure there are people like both of the ones described on both sides.

[Anonymous]

Where can I read more about the plan to convert it to a two-way immersion program? As someone who was considering buying into the Rolling Terrace boundary, that sounds perfectly fine to me.