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Anonymous wrote:NP. You're right PP, but a new mayor could indeed change this calculus. If either Racine or Gray displaces Bowser, either might be persuaded to demand that DCPS offers honors classes at middle schools like Jefferson that are 2/3 empty where in-boundary percentages are low but feeder elementary schools are thriving (Jefferson Academy's building can accommodate three times as many students as it serves). This fix is obvious and gentrifiers vote. In that case, the sky would be the limit at JA. I don't expect a new mayor to be elected, or to demand this, but I wouldn't rule it out either. The Old Guard of the Dem machine in this city remembers the Jefferson honors program. A mayor of that ilk might be more amenable to moving to recreate it as a school within a school program than we think. Antwan Wilson is already making changes up the DCPS chain. The ground is being laid for greater change. In the meantime, I'm with the PPs who see more Brent families heading to Hardy than to JA.

There are simply not enough gentrifiers to make a significant difference to someone running city-wide (city-wide council is different because you can vote for more than one candidate). And not all gentrifiers prioritize schools when voting.

Yes, the city council is the right place to start if voters are concerned about DCPS lack of interest in offering honors courses for capable students. Get rid of Grosso, for example, who doesn't care about re-directing some of DCPS policy towards high performance. In all of the gentrifying Wards, replacing insufferable representatives could be done. The Mayor's office would come next. But, weirdly, why in the world can't the Mayor and DCPS get behind encouraging BOTH lower performing AND proficient students? Isn't the purpose of government to serve everybody? Watching the history of DCPS for decades, it really looks like they want grade-level performing kids to attend somewhere else, while they deal solely on the intractable problem of getting low-income kids to perform at grade level (which still seems unsolvable).

OK, sure, parents have been saying this sort of thing for years. But where are the ed reform minded voters organizing to oust Grosso and other bleeding heart representatives who can't seem to connect the dots between high SES families staying in DCPS in Ward 6 in large numbers and poor kids accruing the benefit. All Cap Hill parents seem to do about by-right middle schools is bicker over feeders, pretend that the Cluster model hasn't outlived its usefulness, and try to persuade DCPS to sink tens of millions into buildings that are mostly empty (and seem very likely to remain so indefinitely).

Grosso's seat seems safe to me in the face of broad-based inaction at the grassroots. I understand why parents don't bother to fight back electorally--it's tough to stay in DC with kids past ES if you can't afford privates and aren't OK with BASIS' brand of math-focused learning and weak physical plant--but I don't quite get why Ward 6 parents have been so darn passive in the face of clearly defined political threats. Look on some of the Arlington, MoCo and Frfx threads in the fall - parents there seem to organize like mad to vote out pols who don't care about directing policy towards high performance. We need to learn from our near neighbors on that score.

Which Ward 6 buildings are empty? That's inane. Eliot Hine and Jefferson are under-enrolled and and the city hasn't spent on dime on the two combined

Both are slated to be done in the next 3 to 4 years.

Nobody said that Ward 6 school buildings are empty. The point was made that some of the Ward 6 DCPS middle schools are mostly empty. Some of us don't want megabucks spent on mostly empty schools, not unless DCPS agrees to provide the sort of programming that would almost certainly fill them first. If they were to hire teachers to teach advanced classes ahead of advanced students turning up, parents would come and things would work out. It's a no brainer.

This. Yet we still have to flush $200 million down Coolidge HS for 50 high school seniors who can't read at grade level?

Well over half of those seniors are immigrants, some refugees, who only began to learn English in the last 24 months. I would personally prefer that Coolidge is merged with Roosevelt rather than renovated, but learn something about the children you are trashing.

And half of thate renovation will be to create North Middle school - which is needed because Whittier, Brightwood and Takoma are full and growing.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. You're right PP, but a new mayor could indeed change this calculus. If either Racine or Gray displaces Bowser, either might be persuaded to demand that DCPS offers honors classes at middle schools like Jefferson that are 2/3 empty where in-boundary percentages are low but feeder elementary schools are thriving (Jefferson Academy's building can accommodate three times as many students as it serves). This fix is obvious and gentrifiers vote. In that case, the sky would be the limit at JA. I don't expect a new mayor to be elected, or to demand this, but I wouldn't rule it out either. The Old Guard of the Dem machine in this city remembers the Jefferson honors program. A mayor of that ilk might be more amenable to moving to recreate it as a school within a school program than we think. Antwan Wilson is already making changes up the DCPS chain. The ground is being laid for greater change. In the meantime, I'm with the PPs who see more Brent families heading to Hardy than to JA.

There are simply not enough gentrifiers to make a significant difference to someone running city-wide (city-wide council is different because you can vote for more than one candidate). And not all gentrifiers prioritize schools when voting.

Yes, the city council is the right place to start if voters are concerned about DCPS lack of interest in offering honors courses for capable students. Get rid of Grosso, for example, who doesn't care about re-directing some of DCPS policy towards high performance. In all of the gentrifying Wards, replacing insufferable representatives could be done. The Mayor's office would come next. But, weirdly, why in the world can't the Mayor and DCPS get behind encouraging BOTH lower performing AND proficient students? Isn't the purpose of government to serve everybody? Watching the history of DCPS for decades, it really looks like they want grade-level performing kids to attend somewhere else, while they deal solely on the intractable problem of getting low-income kids to perform at grade level (which still seems unsolvable).

OK, sure, parents have been saying this sort of thing for years. But where are the ed reform minded voters organizing to oust Grosso and other bleeding heart representatives who can't seem to connect the dots between high SES families staying in DCPS in Ward 6 in large numbers and poor kids accruing the benefit. All Cap Hill parents seem to do about by-right middle schools is bicker over feeders, pretend that the Cluster model hasn't outlived its usefulness, and try to persuade DCPS to sink tens of millions into buildings that are mostly empty (and seem very likely to remain so indefinitely).

Grosso's seat seems safe to me in the face of broad-based inaction at the grassroots. I understand why parents don't bother to fight back electorally--it's tough to stay in DC with kids past ES if you can't afford privates and aren't OK with BASIS' brand of math-focused learning and weak physical plant--but I don't quite get why Ward 6 parents have been so darn passive in the face of clearly defined political threats. Look on some of the Arlington, MoCo and Frfx threads in the fall - parents there seem to organize like mad to vote out pols who don't care about directing policy towards high performance. We need to learn from our near neighbors on that score.

Which Ward 6 buildings are empty? That's inane. Eliot Hine and Jefferson are under-enrolled and and the city hasn't spent on dime on the two combined

Both are slated to be done in the next 3 to 4 years.

Nobody said that Ward 6 school buildings are empty. The point was made that some of the Ward 6 DCPS middle schools are mostly empty. Some of us don't want megabucks spent on mostly empty schools, not unless DCPS agrees to provide the sort of programming that would almost certainly fill them first. If they were to hire teachers to teach advanced classes ahead of advanced students turning up, parents would come and things would work out. It's a no brainer.

This. Yet we still have to flush $200 million down Coolidge HS for 50 high school seniors who can't read at grade level?

Well over half of those seniors are immigrants, some refugees, who only began to learn English in the last 24 months. I would personally prefer that Coolidge is merged with Roosevelt rather than renovated, but learn something about the children you are trashing.

And half of thate renovation will be to create North Middle school - which is needed because Whittier, Brightwood and Takoma are full and growing.

Great idea. Get Bowsuch on that instead of wasting taxpayer $$.

You could probably put 3 charter schools in that building and they would all outperform DCPS.

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Who's blaming EH's admins and teachers for failing to promote rigor? Pretty clearly, they do the best they can with the students they get, almost all of whom require extensive remediation. The head who just resigned is really good.

The Ward 6 MS problem has been generated from the top in the form of a) crumbling facilities, and, b) few resources for at or above-grade level programming made available in catchment areas where most children aging into the relevant age bracket work at or above grade level.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. You're right PP, but a new mayor could indeed change this calculus. If either Racine or Gray displaces Bowser, either might be persuaded to demand that DCPS offers honors classes at middle schools like Jefferson that are 2/3 empty where in-boundary percentages are low but feeder elementary schools are thriving (Jefferson Academy's building can accommodate three times as many students as it serves). This fix is obvious and gentrifiers vote. In that case, the sky would be the limit at JA. I don't expect a new mayor to be elected, or to demand this, but I wouldn't rule it out either. The Old Guard of the Dem machine in this city remembers the Jefferson honors program. A mayor of that ilk might be more amenable to moving to recreate it as a school within a school program than we think. Antwan Wilson is already making changes up the DCPS chain. The ground is being laid for greater change. In the meantime, I'm with the PPs who see more Brent families heading to Hardy than to JA.

There are simply not enough gentrifiers to make a significant difference to someone running city-wide (city-wide council is different because you can vote for more than one candidate). And not all gentrifiers prioritize schools when voting.

Yes, the city council is the right place to start if voters are concerned about DCPS lack of interest in offering honors courses for capable students. Get rid of Grosso, for example, who doesn't care about re-directing some of DCPS policy towards high performance. In all of the gentrifying Wards, replacing insufferable representatives could be done. The Mayor's office would come next. But, weirdly, why in the world can't the Mayor and DCPS get behind encouraging BOTH lower performing AND proficient students? Isn't the purpose of government to serve everybody? Watching the history of DCPS for decades, it really looks like they want grade-level performing kids to attend somewhere else, while they deal solely on the intractable problem of getting low-income kids to perform at grade level (which still seems unsolvable).

OK, sure, parents have been saying this sort of thing for years. But where are the ed reform minded voters organizing to oust Grosso and other bleeding heart representatives who can't seem to connect the dots between high SES families staying in DCPS in Ward 6 in large numbers and poor kids accruing the benefit. All Cap Hill parents seem to do about by-right middle schools is bicker over feeders, pretend that the Cluster model hasn't outlived its usefulness, and try to persuade DCPS to sink tens of millions into buildings that are mostly empty (and seem very likely to remain so indefinitely).

Grosso's seat seems safe to me in the face of broad-based inaction at the grassroots. I understand why parents don't bother to fight back electorally--it's tough to stay in DC with kids past ES if you can't afford privates and aren't OK with BASIS' brand of math-focused learning and weak physical plant--but I don't quite get why Ward 6 parents have been so darn passive in the face of clearly defined political threats. Look on some of the Arlington, MoCo and Frfx threads in the fall - parents there seem to organize like mad to vote out pols who don't care about directing policy towards high performance. We need to learn from our near neighbors on that score.

Which Ward 6 buildings are empty? That's inane. Eliot Hine and Jefferson are under-enrolled and and the city hasn't spent on dime on the two combined

Both are slated to be done in the next 3 to 4 years.

Nobody said that Ward 6 school buildings are empty. The point was made that some of the Ward 6 DCPS middle schools are mostly empty. Some of us don't want megabucks spent on mostly empty schools, not unless DCPS agrees to provide the sort of programming that would almost certainly fill them first. If they were to hire teachers to teach advanced classes ahead of advanced students turning up, parents would come and things would work out. It's a no brainer.

This. Yet we still have to flush $200 million down Coolidge HS for 50 high school seniors who can't read at grade level?

Well over half of those seniors are immigrants, some refugees, who only began to learn English in the last 24 months. I would personally prefer that Coolidge is merged with Roosevelt rather than renovated, but learn something about the children you are trashing.

And half of thate renovation will be to create North Middle school - which is needed because Whittier, Brightwood and Takoma are full and growing.

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, if they can't read 12th grade English why are they receiving HS diplomas?

Social promotion is a problem, not a solution.

This is why everyone else has to go pay tens of thousands of dollars to distinguish themselves from these students by getting a Bachelor's degree in a major of spurious merit. If you give an HS diploma to everybody, it has no meaning. Congratulations, now you need an angry studies degree just to serve fast food at Chipotle.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. You're right PP, but a new mayor could indeed change this calculus. If either Racine or Gray displaces Bowser, either might be persuaded to demand that DCPS offers honors classes at middle schools like Jefferson that are 2/3 empty where in-boundary percentages are low but feeder elementary schools are thriving (Jefferson Academy's building can accommodate three times as many students as it serves). This fix is obvious and gentrifiers vote. In that case, the sky would be the limit at JA. I don't expect a new mayor to be elected, or to demand this, but I wouldn't rule it out either. The Old Guard of the Dem machine in this city remembers the Jefferson honors program. A mayor of that ilk might be more amenable to moving to recreate it as a school within a school program than we think. Antwan Wilson is already making changes up the DCPS chain. The ground is being laid for greater change. In the meantime, I'm with the PPs who see more Brent families heading to Hardy than to JA.

apples to oranges. BASIS and Latin cover MS and HS. Eastern provided AP too

There are simply not enough gentrifiers to make a significant difference to someone running city-wide (city-wide council is different because you can vote for more than one candidate). And not all gentrifiers prioritize schools when voting.

Yes, the city council is the right place to start if voters are concerned about DCPS lack of interest in offering honors courses for capable students. Get rid of Grosso, for example, who doesn't care about re-directing some of DCPS policy towards high performance. In all of the gentrifying Wards, replacing insufferable representatives could be done. The Mayor's office would come next. But, weirdly, why in the world can't the Mayor and DCPS get behind encouraging BOTH lower performing AND proficient students? Isn't the purpose of government to serve everybody? Watching the history of DCPS for decades, it really looks like they want grade-level performing kids to attend somewhere else, while they deal solely on the intractable problem of getting low-income kids to perform at grade level (which still seems unsolvable).

OK, sure, parents have been saying this sort of thing for years. But where are the ed reform minded voters organizing to oust Grosso and other bleeding heart representatives who can't seem to connect the dots between high SES families staying in DCPS in Ward 6 in large numbers and poor kids accruing the benefit. All Cap Hill parents seem to do about by-right middle schools is bicker over feeders, pretend that the Cluster model hasn't outlived its usefulness, and try to persuade DCPS to sink tens of millions into buildings that are mostly empty (and seem very likely to remain so indefinitely).

Grosso's seat seems safe to me in the face of broad-based inaction at the grassroots. I understand why parents don't bother to fight back electorally--it's tough to stay in DC with kids past ES if you can't afford privates and aren't OK with BASIS' brand of math-focused learning and weak physical plant--but I don't quite get why Ward 6 parents have been so darn passive in the face of clearly defined political threats. Look on some of the Arlington, MoCo and Frfx threads in the fall - parents there seem to organize like mad to vote out pols who don't care about directing policy towards high performance. We need to learn from our near neighbors on that score.

Which Ward 6 buildings are empty? That's inane. Eliot Hine and Jefferson are under-enrolled and and the city hasn't spent on dime on the two combined

Both are slated to be done in the next 3 to 4 years.

Nobody said that Ward 6 school buildings are empty. The point was made that some of the Ward 6 DCPS middle schools are mostly empty. Some of us don't want megabucks spent on mostly empty schools, not unless DCPS agrees to provide the sort of programming that would almost certainly fill them first. If they were to hire teachers to teach advanced classes ahead of advanced students turning up, parents would come and things would work out. It's a no brainer.

bullshit PP didn't

"All Cap Hill parents seem to do about by-right middle schools is bicker over feeders, pretend that the Cluster model hasn't outlived its usefulness, and try to persuade DCPS to sink tens of millions into buildings that are mostly empty (and seem very likely to remain so indefinitely). "

Eliot Hine has IB accreditation, unlike Latin, Basis, Hardy, Stuart Hobson. That's such a cop out that there is no interest in providing rigor. The school does have woefully deficient facilities but it's totally disingenuous to suggest that EH isn't trying to provide greater rigor in response to community demands. Parent getting beyond talk and actually enrolling is the bigger issue.

That's not entirely fair. Hardy and SH have earned their lowly reputations, but both Latin and Basis are dedicated to the AP framework. Schools either do IB or AP. The only public IB MS/HS is DCI. IB is more rigorous, but also more expensive. Latin & Basis both have a good track record with AP.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. You're right PP, but a new mayor could indeed change this calculus. If either Racine or Gray displaces Bowser, either might be persuaded to demand that DCPS offers honors classes at middle schools like Jefferson that are 2/3 empty where in-boundary percentages are low but feeder elementary schools are thriving (Jefferson Academy's building can accommodate three times as many students as it serves). This fix is obvious and gentrifiers vote. In that case, the sky would be the limit at JA. I don't expect a new mayor to be elected, or to demand this, but I wouldn't rule it out either. The Old Guard of the Dem machine in this city remembers the Jefferson honors program. A mayor of that ilk might be more amenable to moving to recreate it as a school within a school program than we think. Antwan Wilson is already making changes up the DCPS chain. The ground is being laid for greater change. In the meantime, I'm with the PPs who see more Brent families heading to Hardy than to JA.

There are simply not enough gentrifiers to make a significant difference to someone running city-wide (city-wide council is different because you can vote for more than one candidate). And not all gentrifiers prioritize schools when voting.

Yes, the city council is the right place to start if voters are concerned about DCPS lack of interest in offering honors courses for capable students. Get rid of Grosso, for example, who doesn't care about re-directing some of DCPS policy towards high performance. In all of the gentrifying Wards, replacing insufferable representatives could be done. The Mayor's office would come next. But, weirdly, why in the world can't the Mayor and DCPS get behind encouraging BOTH lower performing AND proficient students? Isn't the purpose of government to serve everybody? Watching the history of DCPS for decades, it really looks like they want grade-level performing kids to attend somewhere else, while they deal solely on the intractable problem of getting low-income kids to perform at grade level (which still seems unsolvable).

OK, sure, parents have been saying this sort of thing for years. But where are the ed reform minded voters organizing to oust Grosso and other bleeding heart representatives who can't seem to connect the dots between high SES families staying in DCPS in Ward 6 in large numbers and poor kids accruing the benefit. All Cap Hill parents seem to do about by-right middle schools is bicker over feeders, pretend that the Cluster model hasn't outlived its usefulness, and try to persuade DCPS to sink tens of millions into buildings that are mostly empty (and seem very likely to remain so indefinitely).

Grosso's seat seems safe to me in the face of broad-based inaction at the grassroots. I understand why parents don't bother to fight back electorally--it's tough to stay in DC with kids past ES if you can't afford privates and aren't OK with BASIS' brand of math-focused learning and weak physical plant--but I don't quite get why Ward 6 parents have been so darn passive in the face of clearly defined political threats. Look on some of the Arlington, MoCo and Frfx threads in the fall - parents there seem to organize like mad to vote out pols who don't care about directing policy towards high performance. We need to learn from our near neighbors on that score.

Which Ward 6 buildings are empty? That's inane. Eliot Hine and Jefferson are under-enrolled and and the city hasn't spent on dime on the two combined

Both are slated to be done in the next 3 to 4 years.

Nobody said that Ward 6 school buildings are empty. The point was made that some of the Ward 6 DCPS middle schools are mostly empty. Some of us don't want megabucks spent on mostly empty schools, not unless DCPS agrees to provide the sort of programming that would almost certainly fill them first. If they were to hire teachers to teach advanced classes ahead of advanced students turning up, parents would come and things would work out. It's a no brainer.

bullshit PP didn't

"All Cap Hill parents seem to do about by-right middle schools is bicker over feeders, pretend that the Cluster model hasn't outlived its usefulness, and try to persuade DCPS to sink tens of millions into buildings that are mostly empty (and seem very likely to remain so indefinitely). "

Eliot Hine has IB accreditation, unlike Latin, Basis, Hardy, Stuart Hobson. That's such a cop out that there is no interest in providing rigor. The school does have woefully deficient facilities but it's totally disingenuous to suggest that EH isn't trying to provide greater rigor in response to community demands. Parent getting beyond talk and actually enrolling is the bigger issue.

That's not entirely fair. Hardy and SH have earned their lowly reputations, but both Latin and Basis are dedicated to the AP framework. Schools either do IB or AP. The only public IB MS/HS is DCI. IB is more rigorous, but also more expensive. Latin & Basis both have a good track record with AP.

apples to oranges. BASIS and Latin cover MS and HS. Eastern provided AP too

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Anonymous wrote:NP. You're right PP, but a new mayor could indeed change this calculus. If either Racine or Gray displaces Bowser, either might be persuaded to demand that DCPS offers honors classes at middle schools like Jefferson that are 2/3 empty where in-boundary percentages are low but feeder elementary schools are thriving (Jefferson Academy's building can accommodate three times as many students as it serves). This fix is obvious and gentrifiers vote. In that case, the sky would be the limit at JA. I don't expect a new mayor to be elected, or to demand this, but I wouldn't rule it out either. The Old Guard of the Dem machine in this city remembers the Jefferson honors program. A mayor of that ilk might be more amenable to moving to recreate it as a school within a school program than we think. Antwan Wilson is already making changes up the DCPS chain. The ground is being laid for greater change. In the meantime, I'm with the PPs who see more Brent families heading to Hardy than to JA.

There are simply not enough gentrifiers to make a significant difference to someone running city-wide (city-wide council is different because you can vote for more than one candidate). And not all gentrifiers prioritize schools when voting.

Yes, the city council is the right place to start if voters are concerned about DCPS lack of interest in offering honors courses for capable students. Get rid of Grosso, for example, who doesn't care about re-directing some of DCPS policy towards high performance. In all of the gentrifying Wards, replacing insufferable representatives could be done. The Mayor's office would come next. But, weirdly, why in the world can't the Mayor and DCPS get behind encouraging BOTH lower performing AND proficient students? Isn't the purpose of government to serve everybody? Watching the history of DCPS for decades, it really looks like they want grade-level performing kids to attend somewhere else, while they deal solely on the intractable problem of getting low-income kids to perform at grade level (which still seems unsolvable).

OK, sure, parents have been saying this sort of thing for years. But where are the ed reform minded voters organizing to oust Grosso and other bleeding heart representatives who can't seem to connect the dots between high SES families staying in DCPS in Ward 6 in large numbers and poor kids accruing the benefit. All Cap Hill parents seem to do about by-right middle schools is bicker over feeders, pretend that the Cluster model hasn't outlived its usefulness, and try to persuade DCPS to sink tens of millions into buildings that are mostly empty (and seem very likely to remain so indefinitely).

Grosso's seat seems safe to me in the face of broad-based inaction at the grassroots. I understand why parents don't bother to fight back electorally--it's tough to stay in DC with kids past ES if you can't afford privates and aren't OK with BASIS' brand of math-focused learning and weak physical plant--but I don't quite get why Ward 6 parents have been so darn passive in the face of clearly defined political threats. Look on some of the Arlington, MoCo and Frfx threads in the fall - parents there seem to organize like mad to vote out pols who don't care about directing policy towards high performance. We need to learn from our near neighbors on that score.

Which Ward 6 buildings are empty? That's inane. Eliot Hine and Jefferson are under-enrolled and and the city hasn't spent on dime on the two combined

Both are slated to be done in the next 3 to 4 years.

Nobody said that Ward 6 school buildings are empty. The point was made that some of the Ward 6 DCPS middle schools are mostly empty. Some of us don't want megabucks spent on mostly empty schools, not unless DCPS agrees to provide the sort of programming that would almost certainly fill them first. If they were to hire teachers to teach advanced classes ahead of advanced students turning up, parents would come and things would work out. It's a no brainer.

bullshit PP didn't

"All Cap Hill parents seem to do about by-right middle schools is bicker over feeders, pretend that the Cluster model hasn't outlived its usefulness, and try to persuade DCPS to sink tens of millions into buildings that are mostly empty (and seem very likely to remain so indefinitely). "

Eliot Hine has IB accreditation, unlike Latin, Basis, Hardy, Stuart Hobson. That's such a cop out that there is no interest in providing rigor. The school does have woefully deficient facilities but it's totally disingenuous to suggest that EH isn't trying to provide greater rigor in response to community demands. Parent getting beyond talk and actually enrolling is the bigger issue.

That's not entirely fair. Hardy and SH have earned their lowly reputations, but both Latin and Basis are dedicated to the AP framework. Schools either do IB or AP. The only public IB MS/HS is DCI. IB is more rigorous, but also more expensive. Latin & Basis both have a good track record with AP.

apples to oranges. BASIS and Latin cover MS and HS. Eastern provided AP too

Wrong. Eastern has IB certification as well.

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Come on, IB is only as rigorous as the preparation of students in a particular IB program. Kids can scrape by in IB Diploma programs fed by IB Middle Years programs without great rigor, barely clearing the 24-point Diploma pass totals bar on a 24-45 point scale senior year in HS. That's what happens at Banneker and Eastern. I don't expect to see average pass point totals above the 20s at DCI for a decade. In IBD programs, kids must pass 3 or 4 subject tests at the Standard Level (equivalent to AP), and 3 at the Higher Level (equivalent to AP if a student scrapes by, a year or two past AP if they score high). I wouldn't say that IB studies are more rigorous than AP. It all depends on how many APs a student is taking, and which ones - BC Calculus and Physics C anyone?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. You're right PP, but a new mayor could indeed change this calculus. If either Racine or Gray displaces Bowser, either might be persuaded to demand that DCPS offers honors classes at middle schools like Jefferson that are 2/3 empty where in-boundary percentages are low but feeder elementary schools are thriving (Jefferson Academy's building can accommodate three times as many students as it serves). This fix is obvious and gentrifiers vote. In that case, the sky would be the limit at JA. I don't expect a new mayor to be elected, or to demand this, but I wouldn't rule it out either. The Old Guard of the Dem machine in this city remembers the Jefferson honors program. A mayor of that ilk might be more amenable to moving to recreate it as a school within a school program than we think. Antwan Wilson is already making changes up the DCPS chain. The ground is being laid for greater change. In the meantime, I'm with the PPs who see more Brent families heading to Hardy than to JA.

There are simply not enough gentrifiers to make a significant difference to someone running city-wide (city-wide council is different because you can vote for more than one candidate). And not all gentrifiers prioritize schools when voting.

Yes, the city council is the right place to start if voters are concerned about DCPS lack of interest in offering honors courses for capable students. Get rid of Grosso, for example, who doesn't care about re-directing some of DCPS policy towards high performance. In all of the gentrifying Wards, replacing insufferable representatives could be done. The Mayor's office would come next. But, weirdly, why in the world can't the Mayor and DCPS get behind encouraging BOTH lower performing AND proficient students? Isn't the purpose of government to serve everybody? Watching the history of DCPS for decades, it really looks like they want grade-level performing kids to attend somewhere else, while they deal solely on the intractable problem of getting low-income kids to perform at grade level (which still seems unsolvable).

OK, sure, parents have been saying this sort of thing for years. But where are the ed reform minded voters organizing to oust Grosso and other bleeding heart representatives who can't seem to connect the dots between high SES families staying in DCPS in Ward 6 in large numbers and poor kids accruing the benefit. All Cap Hill parents seem to do about by-right middle schools is bicker over feeders, pretend that the Cluster model hasn't outlived its usefulness, and try to persuade DCPS to sink tens of millions into buildings that are mostly empty (and seem very likely to remain so indefinitely).

Grosso's seat seems safe to me in the face of broad-based inaction at the grassroots. I understand why parents don't bother to fight back electorally--it's tough to stay in DC with kids past ES if you can't afford privates and aren't OK with BASIS' brand of math-focused learning and weak physical plant--but I don't quite get why Ward 6 parents have been so darn passive in the face of clearly defined political threats. Look on some of the Arlington, MoCo and Frfx threads in the fall - parents there seem to organize like mad to vote out pols who don't care about directing policy towards high performance. We need to learn from our near neighbors on that score.

Which Ward 6 buildings are empty? That's inane. Eliot Hine and Jefferson are under-enrolled and and the city hasn't spent on dime on the two combined

Both are slated to be done in the next 3 to 4 years.

Nobody said that Ward 6 school buildings are empty. The point was made that some of the Ward 6 DCPS middle schools are mostly empty. Some of us don't want megabucks spent on mostly empty schools, not unless DCPS agrees to provide the sort of programming that would almost certainly fill them first. If they were to hire teachers to teach advanced classes ahead of advanced students turning up, parents would come and things would work out. It's a no brainer.

This. Yet we still have to flush $200 million down Coolidge HS for 50 high school seniors who can't read at grade level?

Why is this thread trashing Coolidge? I don't get it as their are charters with low scores as well that have similar scores to Coolidge (National Collegiate, Somerset) are tier 3 schools. This simply means that both sectors have great, good, and low performing schools. Again, Latin right down the street from Coolidge are not taking these kids that live in the neighborhood. Their only 2.7. miles from each other. In time Jefferson will get enough neighborhood kids with the right things in place in the school to become a school that parents want to send their kids to.

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The PP picks on Coolidge because it's the only comprehensive high school not yet renovated (so much for the notion of favoritism for Ward 4 by the mayor).

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Anonymous wrote:Come on, IB is only as rigorous as the preparation of students in a particular IB program. Kids can scrape by in IB Diploma programs fed by IB Middle Years programs without great rigor, barely clearing the 24-point Diploma pass totals bar on a 24-45 point scale senior year in HS. That's what happens at Banneker and Eastern. I don't expect to see average pass point totals above the 20s at DCI for a decade. In IBD programs, kids must pass 3 or 4 subject tests at the Standard Level (equivalent to AP), and 3 at the Higher Level (equivalent to AP if a student scrapes by, a year or two past AP if they score high). I wouldn't say that IB studies are more rigorous than AP. It all depends on how many APs a student is taking, and which ones - BC Calculus and Physics C anyone?

no one is comparing with AP except you. As one of just 3 DCPS MS with accredited IB it's just an example of the false argument EH makes no effort to provide rigor.

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Comparison above.
That's not entirely fair. Hardy and SH have earned their lowly reputations, but both Latin and Basis are dedicated to the AP framework. Schools either do IB or AP. The only public IB MS/HS is DCI. IB is more rigorous, but also more expensive. Latin & Basis both have a good track record with AP.

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Anonymous wrote:Comparison above.
That's not entirely fair. Hardy and SH have earned their lowly reputations, but both Latin and Basis are dedicated to the AP framework. Schools either do IB or AP. The only public IB MS/HS is DCI. IB is more rigorous, but also more expensive. Latin & Basis both have a good track record with AP.

I'm not PP but PP says "more rigorous, but more expensive" -- doesn't compare it to rigor or cost of AP. Could just as easily mean more rigorous and expensive than an non-specialized program

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comparison above.
That's not entirely fair. Hardy and SH have earned their lowly reputations, but both Latin and Basis are dedicated to the AP framework. Schools either do IB or AP. The only public IB MS/HS is DCI. IB is more rigorous, but also more expensive. Latin & Basis both have a good track record with AP.

I'm not PP but PP says "more rigorous, but more expensive" -- doesn't compare it to rigor or cost of AP. Could just as easily mean more rigorous and expensive than an non-specialized program

Latin doesn't really have a good track record with AP. Only 18% of the 2016 graduates passed one or more AP exams. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/local/high-school-challenge-2017/

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Anonymous wrote:Come on, IB is only as rigorous as the preparation of students in a particular IB program. Kids can scrape by in IB Diploma programs fed by IB Middle Years programs without great rigor, barely clearing the 24-point Diploma pass totals bar on a 24-45 point scale senior year in HS. That's what happens at Banneker and Eastern. I don't expect to see average pass point totals above the 20s at DCI for a decade. In IBD programs, kids must pass 3 or 4 subject tests at the Standard Level (equivalent to AP), and 3 at the Higher Level (equivalent to AP if a student scrapes by, a year or two past AP if they score high). I wouldn't say that IB studies are more rigorous than AP. It all depends on how many APs a student is taking, and which ones - BC Calculus and Physics C anyone?

no one is comparing with AP except you. As one of just 3 DCPS MS with accredited IB it's just an example of the false argument EH makes no effort to provide rigor.

Who argued that? Nobody.

EH admins and teachers surely make heroic efforts to provide their students with great rigor. Problem is, their PARCC proficiency pass rates are in the teens because their students are, a) poor, and, b) poorly taught in EH's feeders. JA's situation is similar. Eventually, EH and JA will be packed with gentrifiers' children, including the grandchildren of some of the current crop.