No, you do not quite understand the models. First, fringe benefits (fringes) are added to an employee salary. These are the employer half of OASDI (SS and Medicare), insurances to the employee (health/life/disability), unemployment insurance contribution to the state fund, and employer match and/or contribution to the retirement account and/or pension plan. All these together make about 30% of the salary, usually much less for graduate students who generally get only (cheap) health insurance. I have no problems with these - those are benefits to employee, with the cost not set by the institution and funds not going to it. THEN the total (including fringes) is subject to the overhead that I wrote about. Yes, about 15% is office expenses as you say. Most are reasonable, although can trim there too. For one, nearly all universities are land-grant or otherwise own their buildings free and clear, hence do not pay office rent that you mention. Anyhow, I generously allowed 20%. The security and clearances do not apply to NIH work. In most National Labs, these are vastly overdone and way out of times. Major DoE Labs do open work and have divisions full of Chinese, Russian, Indian etc. postdocs and employees. However, all have Security and Safeguards division that process and maintain Foreign National Visitor and Assignment (FNVA) clearance and paperwork at a large personnel cost. When DoE does work for NIH, those are loaded onto NIH overhead. For what purpose? Most OH pays "up the food chain" as you say, and the dishes get larger the higher you go. That is what needs to be drastically cut. Sure, it is audited. The university claims that all those presidents, executive VPs, deans, associate and assistant deans, managers, offices of diversity and inclusion, disability services, IRBs, etc. etc. etc. are needed to guide, manage, supervise, advise, control, and police research, and the unique business and managerial qualifications of those individuals justify such pay packages. The auditors accept that as it is the "industry standard" and comparable institutions do the same. Which is true, and exactly what needs to be broken. And yes, abolish all IRBs. The US science has become best and most admired in the world long before anyone knew what those letters mean. |
One more thing. Auditors do not question or determine whether a particular OH expense is truly required for the performance of funded project, only that it is legal, customary, and accords with policy. Yes, if I use OH to buy a Lambo, a yacht, or throw a party with strippers, auditors will stop that. And if I hire my niece out of high school as VP for research, they will too. But if the uni hires dozens of provosts, VPs, managers, associate deans, and heads of various university offices at 150 - 400 K packages + benefits, that is perfectly fine as long as: 1. Their posted job descriptions mention advising, guiding, managing, controlling etc. research 2. Their educational qualifications (Ph. D in sociology, management, psychology, public policy, and what not) are "terminal degrees" appropriate to the job, 3. No in-your-face nepotism is involved 4. Their salaries and numbers are "customary" (meaning that other similar institutions do the same) This is like all realtors have told you you should pay 6% commission, which is "necessary" to cover the costs (as they determine that maintaining a fancy office with a secretary is "necessary") and "customary" (meaning that "others do the same"). Then came Redfin. |
Agree (I used to be a contractor there). And the cuts that Trump is proposing is from the discretionary spending not the actual line item funding for specific Centers. And the discretionary spending is only being cut by like 20% so there is still plenty to go around. |
A lot of it already is. |
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A lot of common sense here.
As a scientist, I am sick and tired of universities that talk like communist and act as capitalist. |
Human subjects protections exist for a reason. If you're proposing to do away with IRBs, that will never, ever fly, nor should it. Particularly not in the current NIH climate. |
Exactly. Didn't work out too well for Dr. Mengele's victims. |
Per the well-known rule, whoever brings Hitler (and his minions) in the discussion loses. For the first 200 years of American medical science, we had no IRBs and no Mengele, but arguably faster research progress (and sure with less expense and more ROI) than today. Apparently the basic Habeas Corpus allowing any subject to leave any study at any time (unlike with Mengele) sufficed. |
graduate students and postdocs come pretty close to medieval surfs. |
exactly. in fact, if hitler's germany had IRBs those would approve mengele's experiments. the reason is that IRB is nothing but a bureaucratic version of prevailing ethical standards. these people are not expert in anything nor are they better people than scientists. |
Looks like that is Trump's plan: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/03/trump-s-nih-budget-may-include-reducing-overhead-payments-universities |
sounds like PP is our very own sources in the trump administration.
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Cures Act anyone? |
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nature article on overhead costs:
http://www.nature.com/news/indirect-costs-keeping-the-lights-on-1.16376 |
"The faculty doesn’t often think about all the other costs: the lights are on, the heat is on, you’re using online services the university provides.” More bs from university administrations trying to protect its OH take. ALL those costs are already incurred in the process of instruction covered by 9-month academic appointment, and would not significantly drop if a faculty member did not get a grant. The buildings still need to be heated and maintained, e-mail is still needed anywauy, and lights should be on. OK, if the faculty or group members do research, a bit more electricity is consumed on lights in the lab and running the equipment. That may be 1%, not 60%. A cap of 20% would already be too much if we count only the NECESSARY incremental costs to DIRECTLY support funded research. Which is why universities accept foundation money at 10% overhead, they wouldn't otherwise. |