Sound off if you think AAP is BS

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That goal is actually a part of the state mandate for gifted education.

So yes, AAP is for those 2e kids who disrupt class, might seem lime slackers or failures when compared to well behaved people pleaser type students, who have meltdowns and who appear to need a generous dose of ritalin.

Teaching those kids effectively is part of the training for gifted certification.

And as the parent of one of these kids, I would say that many of them are unbelievably good at it. And my kid loves them and would try to fly to the moon if they asked.

[Anonymous]

It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

If it were only the top 2% of scores, you would still have very large centers in the TJ feeders, slightly smaller than currently centers in the Lake Braddock, West Springfield areas, and no centers in the poorer areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

If it were only the top 2% of scores, you would still have very large centers in the TJ feeders, slightly smaller than currently centers in the Lake Braddock, West Springfield areas, and no centers in the poorer areas.

Would you need centers though? Maybe embed the program in neighborhood schools. Less transportation issues, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

Top 2% of FCPS is not top 2% nationally. It's why the FCPS CogAT is not nationally normed. For perspective-- about 2% of each FCPS class is admitted to TJ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

If it were only the top 2% of scores, you would still have very large centers in the TJ feeders, slightly smaller than currently centers in the Lake Braddock, West Springfield areas, and no centers in the poorer areas.

Would you need centers though? Maybe embed the program in neighborhood schools. Less transportation issues, etc.

The entire point of centers is to make regular sized classes. In a school where 4 children per grade, or 4 children in the school, are center eligible, those children do not make up a regular sized class. Even in schools where 10 or 15 children per grade are center eligible, they don't make up one regular sized class.

Transportation is not really a problem. The problem is that some people complain very vocally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

If it were only the top 2% of scores, you would still have very large centers in the TJ feeders, slightly smaller than currently centers in the Lake Braddock, West Springfield areas, and no centers in the poorer areas.

Would you need centers though? Maybe embed the program in neighborhood schools. Less transportation issues, etc.

Centers are embedded in neighborhood school. If you want to reduced it to 2% of FCPS, that's about 300-350 kids per grade spread across 200 ESs. How does it work in ESs with 1-2 kids? Even TJ feeders couldn't pull off a full class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

Top 2% of FCPS is not top 2% nationally. It's why the FCPS CogAT is not nationally normed. For perspective-- about 2% of each FCPS class is admitted to TJ.

Who cares nationally? Locally, it's causing a huge disruption and it's time to revisit the goal of AAP and also the approach. Something got lost along the way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

If it were only the top 2% of scores, you would still have very large centers in the TJ feeders, slightly smaller than currently centers in the Lake Braddock, West Springfield areas, and no centers in the poorer areas.

Would you need centers though? Maybe embed the program in neighborhood schools. Less transportation issues, etc.

Centers are embedded in neighborhood school. If you want to reduced it to 2% of FCPS, that's about 300-350 kids per grade spread across 200 ESs. How does it work in ESs with 1-2 kids? Even TJ feeders couldn't pull off a full class.

Pull outs or push ins.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

Top 2% of FCPS is not top 2% nationally. It's why the FCPS CogAT is not nationally normed. For perspective-- about 2% of each FCPS class is admitted to TJ.

Who cares nationally? Locally, it's causing a huge disruption and it's time to revisit the goal of AAP and also the approach. Something got lost along the way.

What has happened locally is that fcps AAP program and TJ have attracted a lot of families with high performing kids away from districts like Arlington & MC, which brings in more NMSFs, higher SATs, more prestige, etc, which attracts more educated, high achieving families which raises property valies which raises tax revenue for fcps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

If it were only the top 2% of scores, you would still have very large centers in the TJ feeders, slightly smaller than currently centers in the Lake Braddock, West Springfield areas, and no centers in the poorer areas.

Would you need centers though? Maybe embed the program in neighborhood schools. Less transportation issues, etc.

Centers are embedded in neighborhood school. If you want to reduced it to 2% of FCPS, that's about 300-350 kids per grade spread across 200 ESs. How does it work in ESs with 1-2 kids? Even TJ feeders couldn't pull off a full class.

Pull outs or push ins.

Arlington does that. Those parents aren't happy with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

If it were only the top 2% of scores, you would still have very large centers in the TJ feeders, slightly smaller than currently centers in the Lake Braddock, West Springfield areas, and no centers in the poorer areas.

Would you need centers though? Maybe embed the program in neighborhood schools. Less transportation issues, etc.

Centers are embedded in neighborhood school. If you want to reduced it to 2% of FCPS, that's about 300-350 kids per grade spread across 200 ESs. How does it work in ESs with 1-2 kids? Even TJ feeders couldn't pull off a full class.

Pull outs or push ins.

So move to Arlington. They do this. And parents hate it, so the board is looking at moving to a system "similar to Fairfax County's AAP program." Grass is not always greener...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

If it were only the top 2% of scores, you would still have very large centers in the TJ feeders, slightly smaller than currently centers in the Lake Braddock, West Springfield areas, and no centers in the poorer areas.

Would you need centers though? Maybe embed the program in neighborhood schools. Less transportation issues, etc.

Centers are embedded in neighborhood school. If you want to reduced it to 2% of FCPS, that's about 300-350 kids per grade spread across 200 ESs. How does it work in ESs with 1-2 kids? Even TJ feeders couldn't pull off a full class.

Pull outs or push ins.

Arlington does that. Those parents aren't happy with it.

Really? I haven't heard that at all. Many parents I know in Arlington are happy to not have a system like AAP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

If it were only the top 2% of scores, you would still have very large centers in the TJ feeders, slightly smaller than currently centers in the Lake Braddock, West Springfield areas, and no centers in the poorer areas.

Would you need centers though? Maybe embed the program in neighborhood schools. Less transportation issues, etc.

Centers are embedded in neighborhood school. If you want to reduced it to 2% of FCPS, that's about 300-350 kids per grade spread across 200 ESs. How does it work in ESs with 1-2 kids? Even TJ feeders couldn't pull off a full class.

Pull outs or push ins.

So move to Arlington. They do this. And parents hate it, so the board is looking at moving to a system "similar to Fairfax County's AAP program." Grass is not always greener...

Link?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

Top 2% of FCPS is not top 2% nationally. It's why the FCPS CogAT is not nationally normed. For perspective-- about 2% of each FCPS class is admitted to TJ.

Who cares nationally? Locally, it's causing a huge disruption and it's time to revisit the goal of AAP and also the approach. Something got lost along the way.

What has happened locally is that fcps AAP program and TJ have attracted a lot of families with high performing kids away from districts like Arlington & MC, which brings in more NMSFs, higher SATs, more prestige, etc, which attracts more educated, high achieving families which raises property valies which raises tax revenue for fcps.

+1. This. It's exactly doesn't Karen Garza has zero interest in getting rid of AAP. And why Fairfax County has a tech corridor.