New to DCPS/charters, but a simple question

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New York City was spending $105M on yellow school buses way back in 2000 - and an additional $57 M on discounted MTA cards for students. So yeah, it's expensive.

http://www.ibo.nyc.ny.us/iboreports/schoolbus.pdf

And dc has how many more.students than NYC? Oh, right. Dc doesn't have more students.

Dc lights money on fire and burns it for warmth for its school budgets. I'm merely suggesting they funnel some.of the money to.slmething that would help kids get to school. The absentee rates I've seen at both dcps and dc charters all speak to a population of kids who have real trouble getting to school when the weather is bad, or when their transit options fail. You can snark about overweight kids all you want; and I'm sure you will because that's the kind of horrible snob you are... (Meanwhile, driving your own kids to school in your Tahoe), but this is just about equal access, which we don't have.

I'm still waiting for you to give an example of a street address/block where the neighborhood school is not walkable and their is no wmata option to make up for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New York City was spending $105M on yellow school buses way back in 2000 - and an additional $57 M on discounted MTA cards for students. So yeah, it's expensive.

http://www.ibo.nyc.ny.us/iboreports/schoolbus.pdf

And dc has how many more.students than NYC? Oh, right. Dc doesn't have more students.

Dc lights money on fire and burns it for warmth for its school budgets. I'm merely suggesting they funnel some.of the money to.slmething that would help kids get to school. The absentee rates I've seen at both dcps and dc charters all speak to a population of kids who have real trouble getting to school when the weather is bad, or when their transit options fail. You can snark about overweight kids all you want; and I'm sure you will because that's the kind of horrible snob you are... (Meanwhile, driving your own kids to school in your Tahoe), but this is just about equal access, which we don't have.

I'm still waiting for you to give an example of a street address/block where the neighborhood school is not walkable and their is no wmata option to make up for it.

This.

I could be piloting the Exxon Valdez to school and it wouldn't change the fact that there's not a single address in DC more the 1/4 mile from public transportation.

[Anonymous]

Effective public transportation? The capital city/sela/ideal/hope matrix. Two buses, one goes to fort totten, the other to takoma metro. No provisions if the metro is out, no direct route to downtown, or any useful transfer points, both buses run (roughly and not really) every "twenty" minutes, which is more like every hour in practice, Both are packed with schoolkids busting their asses to get to and from their schools in the least efficient way possible.

[Anonymous]

But I know, this is just dandy with you, even though you drive Larlette to school every day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Effective public transportation? The capital city/sela/ideal/hope matrix. Two buses, one goes to fort totten, the other to takoma metro. No provisions if the metro is out, no direct route to downtown, or any useful transfer points, both buses run (roughly and not really) every "twenty" minutes, which is more like every hour in practice, Both are packed with schoolkids busting their asses to get to and from their schools in the least efficient way possible.

Charters are optional. DC should not recreate trans to get kids to optional schools.

-charter crosstown parent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But I know, this is just dandy with you, even though you drive Larlette to school every day.

Why did you have children that the rest of us are supposed to raise for you, because you can't be bothered to nail down the details of getting snowflake to school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But I know, this is just dandy with you, even though you drive Larlette to school every day.

Why did you have children that the rest of us are supposed to raise for you, because you can't be bothered to nail down the details of getting snowflake to school?

Why are you such a hot mess? I get my own kids to school just fine. It's jsut that I notice the absentee rates, I know how far some kids travel, and I actually give a shit about other people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Effective public transportation? The capital city/sela/ideal/hope matrix. Two buses, one goes to fort totten, the other to takoma metro. No provisions if the metro is out, no direct route to downtown, or any useful transfer points, both buses run (roughly and not really) every "twenty" minutes, which is more like every hour in practice, Both are packed with schoolkids busting their asses to get to and from their schools in the least efficient way possible.

Charters are optional. DC should not recreate trans to get kids to optional schools.

-charter crosstown parent

Equal access is not equal if kids can't get to school. Show me how to take public transportation to cmi, again. Show me the number of kids who manage to do it. Show me how many of them dont make it when the weather turns. We don't have crossing guards at major intersection, we don't pay for bussing (although what is paid for special Ed kids would cover all children easily), and we don't have equal access, since a child's ability to attend the school of their choice, dcps or charter, is entirely determined by their parents' ability to get them there.

[Anonymous]

And we have a bunch of horrific trolls who like the system the way it is just fine, since their children are four and they're moving to Clarendon for K.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Effective public transportation? The capital city/sela/ideal/hope matrix. Two buses, one goes to fort totten, the other to takoma metro. No provisions if the metro is out, no direct route to downtown, or any useful transfer points, both buses run (roughly and not really) every "twenty" minutes, which is more like every hour in practice, Both are packed with schoolkids busting their asses to get to and from their schools in the least efficient way possible.

Charters are optional. DC should not recreate trans to get kids to optional schools.

-charter crosstown parent

Equal access is not equal if kids can't get to school. Show me how to take public transportation to cmi, again. Show me the number of kids who manage to do it. Show me how many of them dont make it when the weather turns. We don't have crossing guards at major intersection, we don't pay for bussing (although what is paid for special Ed kids would cover all children easily), and we don't have equal access, since a child's ability to attend the school of their choice, dcps or charter, is entirely determined by their parents' ability to get them there.

No. The budget for special needs wouldn't cover personal buses from all around the city to be mapped to CMI, sorry. Have you seen the map of where kids come from for CMI? In my NW neighborhood, kids go to school to cap city, Haynes, Stokes, CMI, Latin, ITS, Bridges, DCB, YY, Cap Hill, Key, Hearst, Appletree, Bethune, Bruce Monroe, and some privates just to name a few. How many buses would there need to be just to service one neighborhood? Multiply that by what 100? What time would these buses need to leave the neighborhood? You think this could be done with $100m? I don't even see how it would be logistically possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Effective public transportation? The capital city/sela/ideal/hope matrix. Two buses, one goes to fort totten, the other to takoma metro. No provisions if the metro is out, no direct route to downtown, or any useful transfer points, both buses run (roughly and not really) every "twenty" minutes, which is more like every hour in practice, Both are packed with schoolkids busting their asses to get to and from their schools in the least efficient way possible.

Charters are optional. DC should not recreate trans to get kids to optional schools.

-charter crosstown parent

Equal access is not equal if kids can't get to school. Show me how to take public transportation to cmi, again. Show me the number of kids who manage to do it. Show me how many of them dont make it when the weather turns. We don't have crossing guards at major intersection, we don't pay for bussing (although what is paid for special Ed kids would cover all children easily), and we don't have equal access, since a child's ability to attend the school of their choice, dcps or charter, is entirely determined by their parents' ability to get them there.

No. The budget for special needs wouldn't cover personal buses from all around the city to be mapped to CMI, sorry. Have you seen the map of where kids come from for CMI? In my NW neighborhood, kids go to school to cap city, Haynes, Stokes, CMI, Latin, ITS, Bridges, DCB, YY, Cap Hill, Key, Hearst, Appletree, Bethune, Bruce Monroe, and some privates just to name a few. How many buses would there need to be just to service one neighborhood? Multiply that by what 100? What time would these buses need to leave the neighborhood? You think this could be done with $100m? I don't even see how it would be logistically possible.

You're correct, PP. Nonetheless, people will hate you for your use of logic, because some of them think it's more important to "think" with your feeeeeelings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Effective public transportation? The capital city/sela/ideal/hope matrix. Two buses, one goes to fort totten, the other to takoma metro. No provisions if the metro is out, no direct route to downtown, or any useful transfer points, both buses run (roughly and not really) every "twenty" minutes, which is more like every hour in practice, Both are packed with schoolkids busting their asses to get to and from their schools in the least efficient way possible.

Charters are optional. DC should not recreate trans to get kids to optional schools.

-charter crosstown parent

Equal access is not equal if kids can't get to school. Show me how to take public transportation to cmi, again. Show me the number of kids who manage to do it. Show me how many of them dont make it when the weather turns. We don't have crossing guards at major intersection, we don't pay for bussing (although what is paid for special Ed kids would cover all children easily), and we don't have equal access, since a child's ability to attend the school of their choice, dcps or charter, is entirely determined by their parents' ability to get them there.

No. The budget for special needs wouldn't cover personal buses from all around the city to be mapped to CMI, sorry. Have you seen the map of where kids come from for CMI? In my NW neighborhood, kids go to school to cap city, Haynes, Stokes, CMI, Latin, ITS, Bridges, DCB, YY, Cap Hill, Key, Hearst, Appletree, Bethune, Bruce Monroe, and some privates just to name a few. How many buses would there need to be just to service one neighborhood? Multiply that by what 100? What time would these buses need to leave the neighborhood? You think this could be done with $100m? I don't even see how it would be logistically possible.

You're correct, PP. Nonetheless, people will hate you for your use of logic, because some of them think it's more important to "think" with your feeeeeelings.

"But they do it in NYC!" They really don't though.

[Anonymous]

Thats why you should pick your neighborhood school, and invest invest invest to make it better. East of the Park title I parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Effective public transportation? The capital city/sela/ideal/hope matrix. Two buses, one goes to fort totten, the other to takoma metro. No provisions if the metro is out, no direct route to downtown, or any useful transfer points, both buses run (roughly and not really) every "twenty" minutes, which is more like every hour in practice, Both are packed with schoolkids busting their asses to get to and from their schools in the least efficient way possible.

Charters are optional. DC should not recreate trans to get kids to optional schools.

-charter crosstown parent

Equal access is not equal if kids can't get to school. Show me how to take public transportation to cmi, again. Show me the number of kids who manage to do it. Show me how many of them dont make it when the weather turns. We don't have crossing guards at major intersection, we don't pay for bussing (although what is paid for special Ed kids would cover all children easily), and we don't have equal access, since a child's ability to attend the school of their choice, dcps or charter, is entirely determined by their parents' ability to get them there.

Public Transportation to CMI:
Green/Yellow line to GA Ave/Petworth, transfer to the H8 or 60 bus, both of which stop in front of the school.
Red/Green/Yellow line to Ft. Totten, transfer to the 60.
Red line to Brookland or Rhode Island Ave, transfer to the H8

[Anonymous]

New York transports actual millions of schoolchildren using yellow buses for 100mm.

Dc can't manage to transport, what... 30k? Less?

It's not feelings, it is math. It is a rational process. The city is not that large. It's transit system is pathetic--as you all know since I'd bet most of you walk or drive your kids to school every day--not take two metro trains and a bus that runs every 40 minutes.