Filibuster for Gun Safety

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has taking our shoes off before getting on a plane been proven to prevent a crime? No but we are required to do it anyway.

If banning people on a terrorist watch list from buying a gun would just prevent 1 death - isn't that worth it? How does that infringe on your rights? Are you thinking you may be on a terrorist watch list?

People say it is a mental health issue, terrorist issue, video game issue - fine. Let's work on all of those. But why can't we also work on reasonable gun control as well? Why is the 2nd Amendment so much more sacred than any other Amendment on the Bill of Rights?

The NRA used to be in favor of reasonable gun control. Back then, you didn't hear all of these arguments that the 2nd Amendment is absolute. Now that the NRA opposes any gun control whatsoever, suddenly everyone is a Constitutional scholar.

What other rights should people on the "terrorist watch list" give up? Free speech, freedom to practice religion, right to assemble, right to vote. And what court convicts you to the "terrorist watch list"? Where is it appealed? Oh, I forget they give up the right to due process as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has ANY control law proved to prevent crime?

We don't need gun "safety". We need criminal safety.

Take all guns away and criminals will still have them. That's because they're criminals, and criminals don't obey laws.

In australia it worked- they had a gun culture. One mass shooting is all it took for them to do something about it & gun deaths fell dramatically. Do criminals have guns in australia, yes they do but a lot less of them have them than here. Kids don't grow up with the knowledge that they accidentally shot their mom/sibing/grandparent which happens in the U.S at least once every couple months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: I have been wondering about one thing . Why can't we do for guns , what we did for prohibition? The 21 amendment repealed prohibition, however it gave states wide latitude to regulate the distribution , retail and consumption of alcoholic beverages with little to no federal involvement .

The results can be seen in how different laws governing alcoholic beverages vary widely by states . In some states you can buy beer and wine at a grocery store, in others you can't . In some states you buy can spirits on a Sunday , in others you can't . These are just a few examples

We may be living in the same country but we are not culturally alike and we don't face the same realities . It is absurd for millions of people to be held hostage by some antiquated law that brings nothing but carnage every other day in this country . Does anyone really think that if voters in say California , MD, DC , NY, NJ to name a few were to head to the ballot to decide whether to keep or ban guns , that the outcome will be the same ?

Booze is free-flowing in every county and city in the country (as it was during Prohibition) as is pot, cocaine and heroin. Low tax cigarettes are smuggled by the vanful from Virginia to NY every day. Guns used to be practically illegal in DC yet it was the murder capital at one time. Even if there were a gun ban, you would have a hard time rounding up the 300 million guns out there and have an even harder time keeping new ones from coming in from Mexico.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I have been wondering about one thing . Why can't we do for guns , what we did for prohibition? The 21 amendment repealed prohibition, however it gave states wide latitude to regulate the distribution , retail and consumption of alcoholic beverages with little to no federal involvement .

The results can be seen in how different laws governing alcoholic beverages vary widely by states . In some states you can buy beer and wine at a grocery store, in others you can't . In some states you buy can spirits on a Sunday , in others you can't . These are just a few examples

We may be living in the same country but we are not culturally alike and we don't face the same realities . It is absurd for millions of people to be held hostage by some antiquated law that brings nothing but carnage every other day in this country . Does anyone really think that if voters in say California , MD, DC , NY, NJ to name a few were to head to the ballot to decide whether to keep or ban guns , that the outcome will be the same ?

Booze is free-flowing in every county and city in the country (as it was during Prohibition) as is pot, cocaine and heroin. Low tax cigarettes are smuggled by the vanful from Virginia to NY every day. Guns used to be practically illegal in DC yet it was the murder capital at one time. Even if there were a gun ban, you would have a hard time rounding up the 300 million guns out there and have an even harder time keeping new ones from coming in from Mexico.

Well, let's find out. Shall we?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I have been wondering about one thing . Why can't we do for guns , what we did for prohibition? The 21 amendment repealed prohibition, however it gave states wide latitude to regulate the distribution , retail and consumption of alcoholic beverages with little to no federal involvement .

The results can be seen in how different laws governing alcoholic beverages vary widely by states . In some states you can buy beer and wine at a grocery store, in others you can't . In some states you buy can spirits on a Sunday , in others you can't . These are just a few examples

We may be living in the same country but we are not culturally alike and we don't face the same realities . It is absurd for millions of people to be held hostage by some antiquated law that brings nothing but carnage every other day in this country . Does anyone really think that if voters in say California , MD, DC , NY, NJ to name a few were to head to the ballot to decide whether to keep or ban guns , that the outcome will be the same ?

Booze is free-flowing in every county and city in the country (as it was during Prohibition) as is pot, cocaine and heroin. Low tax cigarettes are smuggled by the vanful from Virginia to NY every day. Guns used to be practically illegal in DC yet it was the murder capital at one time. Even if there were a gun ban, you would have a hard time rounding up the 300 million guns out there and have an even harder time keeping new ones from coming in from Mexico.

Well, let's find out. Shall we?

So which candidate shall I vote for that is proposing this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I have been wondering about one thing . Why can't we do for guns , what we did for prohibition? The 21 amendment repealed prohibition, however it gave states wide latitude to regulate the distribution , retail and consumption of alcoholic beverages with little to no federal involvement .

The results can be seen in how different laws governing alcoholic beverages vary widely by states . In some states you can buy beer and wine at a grocery store, in others you can't . In some states you buy can spirits on a Sunday , in others you can't . These are just a few examples

We may be living in the same country but we are not culturally alike and we don't face the same realities . It is absurd for millions of people to be held hostage by some antiquated law that brings nothing but carnage every other day in this country . Does anyone really think that if voters in say California , MD, DC , NY, NJ to name a few were to head to the ballot to decide whether to keep or ban guns , that the outcome will be the same ?

Booze is free-flowing in every county and city in the country (as it was during Prohibition) as is pot, cocaine and heroin. Low tax cigarettes are smuggled by the vanful from Virginia to NY every day. Guns used to be practically illegal in DC yet it was the murder capital at one time. Even if there were a gun ban, you would have a hard time rounding up the 300 million guns out there and have an even harder time keeping new ones from coming in from Mexico.

-Gun ownership is illegal in Mexico . Guns used by drug cartels are manufactured and sold by American citizens and gun manufacturers
-Booze isn't free flowing in every county in this country . How old are you? Ever heard of dry counties ? America may be consuming a lot of drugs but the idea that these drugs are free flowing is something only a liar could come up with . Cigarette smuggling might be a thing , but it is extremely niche and the ATF ( assuming you know what that is ) is the regulatory body in charge of cracking down on tobacco smuggling . Speaking off , how many lives are lost to tobacco smuggling ? As opposed to gun violence ?
-DC murder problem was intricately tied to the easy access to guns that assholes like you continue to shamefully peddle. Drug trafficking is not an American exclusivity . Whenever there's demand for drugs , there's going to be individuals or organizations ready to corner the market . If Germany doesn't gang murders , it isn't because of the absence of gangs or better yet their unwillingness to resort to murder, they happen to operate in countries where political leaders have had the common sense to know that guns shouldn't be things you easily get access to.
- if you actually read and understood what I wrote then you wouldn't be making dumb arguments about rounding up 300 million firearms , hence the need to tackle this issue at the state level . It appears that you've gotten a red state style of education , which is why you're inadvertently advocating for the status qui. I hope for your own sake you don't have kids , at the rate at which things are going, yours could be next . Careful what you wish for

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I have been wondering about one thing . Why can't we do for guns , what we did for prohibition? The 21 amendment repealed prohibition, however it gave states wide latitude to regulate the distribution , retail and consumption of alcoholic beverages with little to no federal involvement .

The results can be seen in how different laws governing alcoholic beverages vary widely by states . In some states you can buy beer and wine at a grocery store, in others you can't . In some states you buy can spirits on a Sunday , in others you can't . These are just a few examples

We may be living in the same country but we are not culturally alike and we don't face the same realities . It is absurd for millions of people to be held hostage by some antiquated law that brings nothing but carnage every other day in this country . Does anyone really think that if voters in say California , MD, DC , NY, NJ to name a few were to head to the ballot to decide whether to keep or ban guns , that the outcome will be the same ?

Booze is free-flowing in every county and city in the country (as it was during Prohibition) as is pot, cocaine and heroin. Low tax cigarettes are smuggled by the vanful from Virginia to NY every day. Guns used to be practically illegal in DC yet it was the murder capital at one time. Even if there were a gun ban, you would have a hard time rounding up the 300 million guns out there and have an even harder time keeping new ones from coming in from Mexico.

-Gun ownership is illegal in Mexico . Guns used by drug cartels are manufactured and sold by American citizens and gun manufacturers
-Booze isn't free flowing in every county in this country . How old are you? Ever heard of dry counties ? America may be consuming a lot of drugs but the idea that these drugs are free flowing is something only a liar could come up with . Cigarette smuggling might be a thing , but it is extremely niche and the ATF ( assuming you know what that is ) is the regulatory body in charge of cracking down on tobacco smuggling . Speaking off , how many lives are lost to tobacco smuggling ? As opposed to gun violence ?
-DC murder problem was intricately tied to the easy access to guns that assholes like you continue to shamefully peddle. Drug trafficking is not an American exclusivity . Whenever there's demand for drugs , there's going to be individuals or organizations ready to corner the market . If Germany doesn't gang murders , it isn't because of the absence of gangs or better yet their unwillingness to resort to murder, they happen to operate in countries where political leaders have had the common sense to know that guns shouldn't be things you easily get access to.
- if you actually read and understood what I wrote then you wouldn't be making dumb arguments about rounding up 300 million firearms , hence the need to tackle this issue at the state level . It appears that you've gotten a red state style of education , which is why you're inadvertently advocating for the status qui. I hope for your own sake you don't have kids , at the rate at which things are going, yours could be next . Careful what you wish for

Jeez, put down the wine and go to bed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those of you arguing against the gun control bills at issue here - can you at least agree that you are in the small minority? The vast majority (90%) of Americans support universal background checks. 80+% support denying guns to people on the terrorist watch list. THOSE are the only 2 bills at issue today. And the Republicans still refuse to hold a vote.

It is not based on their constituents who widely approve of these bills. And it is not based on due process or whatever else they are trying to claim. It is based on the NRA's influence.

+1 You are right and it is pathetic and craven. Even worse are the "rank and file" repubs such as the ones on this site that defend this BS, they are being played ny the NRA for money and the price is people's lives. How do you live with it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is great! Finally!

yes but why the hell did it take so long! Where was the desire to do this after 20 5/6 yr olds were gunned down? Is it just because it was a Muslim that did it? Is the magic number 50? Because it sure wasn't 30 something which was the number of folks who died from the VTech shooter.

This.

I think back then we looked to Obama. We thought he's going to take care of this.

Now more people are getting into it. I think it was the combined tragedy of this one plus Newtown. And the fact that it's just more people.

It's because those they were gay.
LGBT gets the government moving these days.

[Anonymous]

I think this is very interesting this is all happening on the same day of females being required to register for selective service.

Call me a loon if you want, but these things don't happen in a vacuum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I have been wondering about one thing . Why can't we do for guns , what we did for prohibition? The 21 amendment repealed prohibition, however it gave states wide latitude to regulate the distribution , retail and consumption of alcoholic beverages with little to no federal involvement .

The results can be seen in how different laws governing alcoholic beverages vary widely by states . In some states you can buy beer and wine at a grocery store, in others you can't . In some states you buy can spirits on a Sunday , in others you can't . These are just a few examples

We may be living in the same country but we are not culturally alike and we don't face the same realities . It is absurd for millions of people to be held hostage by some antiquated law that brings nothing but carnage every other day in this country . Does anyone really think that if voters in say California , MD, DC , NY, NJ to name a few were to head to the ballot to decide whether to keep or ban guns , that the outcome will be the same ?

Booze is free-flowing in every county and city in the country (as it was during Prohibition) as is pot, cocaine and heroin. Low tax cigarettes are smuggled by the vanful from Virginia to NY every day. Guns used to be practically illegal in DC yet it was the murder capital at one time. Even if there were a gun ban, you would have a hard time rounding up the 300 million guns out there and have an even harder time keeping new ones from coming in from Mexico.

-Gun ownership is illegal in Mexico . Guns used by drug cartels are manufactured and sold by American citizens and gun manufacturers
-Booze isn't free flowing in every county in this country . How old are you? Ever heard of dry counties ? America may be consuming a lot of drugs but the idea that these drugs are free flowing is something only a liar could come up with . Cigarette smuggling might be a thing , but it is extremely niche and the ATF ( assuming you know what that is ) is the regulatory body in charge of cracking down on tobacco smuggling . Speaking off , how many lives are lost to tobacco smuggling ? As opposed to gun violence ?
-DC murder problem was intricately tied to the easy access to guns that assholes like you continue to shamefully peddle. Drug trafficking is not an American exclusivity . Whenever there's demand for drugs , there's going to be individuals or organizations ready to corner the market . If Germany doesn't gang murders , it isn't because of the absence of gangs or better yet their unwillingness to resort to murder, they happen to operate in countries where political leaders have had the common sense to know that guns shouldn't be things you easily get access to.
- if you actually read and understood what I wrote then you wouldn't be making dumb arguments about rounding up 300 million firearms , hence the need to tackle this issue at the state level . It appears that you've gotten a red state style of education , which is why you're inadvertently advocating for the status qui. I hope for your own sake you don't have kids , at the rate at which things are going, yours could be next . Careful what you wish for

Jeez, put down the wine and go to bed.

PP who said "put down the wine", you are the one who looks like an idiot here. person you responded to made a good argument and you had nothing and got your sorry ass handed to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I have been wondering about one thing . Why can't we do for guns , what we did for prohibition? The 21 amendment repealed prohibition, however it gave states wide latitude to regulate the distribution , retail and consumption of alcoholic beverages with little to no federal involvement .

The results can be seen in how different laws governing alcoholic beverages vary widely by states . In some states you can buy beer and wine at a grocery store, in others you can't . In some states you buy can spirits on a Sunday , in others you can't . These are just a few examples

We may be living in the same country but we are not culturally alike and we don't face the same realities . It is absurd for millions of people to be held hostage by some antiquated law that brings nothing but carnage every other day in this country . Does anyone really think that if voters in say California , MD, DC , NY, NJ to name a few were to head to the ballot to decide whether to keep or ban guns , that the outcome will be the same ?

Booze is free-flowing in every county and city in the country (as it was during Prohibition) as is pot, cocaine and heroin. Low tax cigarettes are smuggled by the vanful from Virginia to NY every day. Guns used to be practically illegal in DC yet it was the murder capital at one time. Even if there were a gun ban, you would have a hard time rounding up the 300 million guns out there and have an even harder time keeping new ones from coming in from Mexico.

-Gun ownership is illegal in Mexico . Guns used by drug cartels are manufactured and sold by American citizens and gun manufacturers
-Booze isn't free flowing in every county in this country . How old are you? Ever heard of dry counties ? America may be consuming a lot of drugs but the idea that these drugs are free flowing is something only a liar could come up with . Cigarette smuggling might be a thing , but it is extremely niche and the ATF ( assuming you know what that is ) is the regulatory body in charge of cracking down on tobacco smuggling . Speaking off , how many lives are lost to tobacco smuggling ? As opposed to gun violence ?
-DC murder problem was intricately tied to the easy access to guns that assholes like you continue to shamefully peddle. Drug trafficking is not an American exclusivity . Whenever there's demand for drugs , there's going to be individuals or organizations ready to corner the market . If Germany doesn't gang murders , it isn't because of the absence of gangs or better yet their unwillingness to resort to murder, they happen to operate in countries where political leaders have had the common sense to know that guns shouldn't be things you easily get access to.
- if you actually read and understood what I wrote then you wouldn't be making dumb arguments about rounding up 300 million firearms , hence the need to tackle this issue at the state level . It appears that you've gotten a red state style of education , which is why you're inadvertently advocating for the status qui. I hope for your own sake you don't have kids , at the rate at which things are going, yours could be next . Careful what you wish for

Jeez, put down the wine and go to bed.

PP who said "put down the wine", you are the one who looks like an idiot here. person you responded to made a good argument and you had nothing and got your sorry ass handed to you.

That would be me. I really can't respond to this angry, incoherent mess of a post. I think it was meant to insult me, hopefully when this person wakes up tomorrow and reads this nonsense, they can come back with something a little more rational.

Night-night all - gotta work tomorrow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has ANY control law proved to prevent crime?

We don't need gun "safety". We need criminal safety.

Take all guns away and criminals will still have them. That's because they're criminals, and criminals don't obey laws.

In australia it worked- they had a gun culture. One mass shooting is all it took for them to do something about it & gun deaths fell dramatically. Do criminals have guns in australia, yes they do but a lot less of them have them than here. Kids don't grow up with the knowledge that they accidentally shot their mom/sibing/grandparent which happens in the U.S at least once every couple months.

Gun violence also dropped dramatically in the US (30%) over the same timeframe despite an increase in gun ownership.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has ANY control law proved to prevent crime?

We don't need gun "safety". We need criminal safety.

Take all guns away and criminals will still have them. That's because they're criminals, and criminals don't obey laws.

But it's harder. Mass shooters like Mateen and the Sandy Hook shooters weren't part of some criminal gang. Where would they have gotten a gun? I'm not in favor of abolishing all guns by the way- but I am in favor of restricting semi-automatic weapons to police/military use. And other common sense measures.

Nut what do you mean by "criminal safety" exactly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has taking our shoes off before getting on a plane been proven to prevent a crime? No but we are required to do it anyway.

If banning people on a terrorist watch list from buying a gun would just prevent 1 death - isn't that worth it? How does that infringe on your rights? Are you thinking you may be on a terrorist watch list?

People say it is a mental health issue, terrorist issue, video game issue - fine. Let's work on all of those. But why can't we also work on reasonable gun control as well? Why is the 2nd Amendment so much more sacred than any other Amendment on the Bill of Rights?

The NRA used to be in favor of reasonable gun control. Back then, you didn't hear all of these arguments that the 2nd Amendment is absolute. Now that the NRA opposes any gun control whatsoever, suddenly everyone is a Constitutional scholar.

What other rights should people on the "terrorist watch list" give up? Free speech, freedom to practice religion, right to assemble, right to vote. And what court convicts you to the "terrorist watch list"? Where is it appealed? Oh, I forget they give up the right to due process as well.

Are you upset about their inability to move around and visit family and friends?