Why is Langley Enrollment Going Down?

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Anonymous wrote:The appeal if living far away on large plots of land ended.

Sorry, don't think so.

Most rich families are now preferring closer in locations.

This. Rich, young families want to be in Kalorama or 14th St . . . Not out in a dated McMansion

Hmm. We're a "rich young family" and definitely don't want to be in Kalorama, 14th St., or anywhere near DC. Give me five acres with horses any day.

Not at all rich, but 5 acres with horses is the charm of Great Falls!

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Sounds perfect to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they add a strong AAP program at Cooper, you'd also find some families moving into the current Langley boundaries instead of into the Longfellow and Kilmer boundary areas.

Ugh, Cooper was a great school without AAP. Adding it just makes me want to move elsewhere. I think AAP has ruined school dynamics.

You really need to stop posting this nonsense. Everyone here knows all the Mclean and Great Falls elementary and high schools are full of AAP children and that 2 years more will make little difference. I get the feeling like you are trying to belittle AAP parents and act like you are some sort of victim. We just see a parent trying to keep a school as exlusionaty and uncrowned as possible while other kids are stuck in grossly overcrowded schools and classrooms.

Not the PP, but I agree completely with the sentiment. To whom are you directing your post? Maybe you don't realize just how many people don't want AAP to come to Cooper (or any school, for that matter)? I'm not sure how that translates to "exclusionary" - if anything, it's AAP which is exclusionary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in Great Falls (public water and sewer, by the way; also, only a 5-minute bus ride to the Silver Line Metro). I would say that most people in my neighborhood have kids who just started college, so maybe Langley is seeing the neighborhoods age out right now. On the other hand, there are several large families near me with elementary-aged kids, so we may see an increase in enrollment when those kids get to Langley.

Not everybody works in DC, but there are plenty of folks in my neighborhood who do, and they commute via the Silver Line (we are near Rt 7) without issue. Most of us prefer our walkability to be at Great Falls Park and the like - I have no interest in walking to the grocery store after getting my kids from after-care. I love living in Great Falls.

Same here, PP. In our neighborhood, most people work in Reston, McLean, Vienna, Fairfax, Chantilly, etc. - not DC. So it's a reverse commute in many instances, and very easy to get to and from work. And, as you pointed out, the Silver Line isn't far for those who do have to commute to DC. It's a great place to live.

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Anonymous wrote:If you live near Rt 7 in GF like we do, you will soon be able to walk to Tysons and Reston. Oh joy.

Our kids are in private school in DC and we deal with the commute because we love our neighborhood and community. But, with all of the increased foot traffic directly behind our house, we may as well move to Arlington and be closer to schools and our offices.

I've never been to a single home with a Great Falls address that was walkable to anything.

Oh, don't be ridiculous. Plenty of homes in the heart of GF that are walkable to the Village Centre, Safeway center, etc. Plenty of homes along walking paths (or riding paths for those with horses) to GF Park or Riverbend.

And those of us who aren't within walking distance to anything prefer it that way. That's why we live here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they add a strong AAP program at Cooper, you'd also find some families moving into the current Langley boundaries instead of into the Longfellow and Kilmer boundary areas.

Ugh, Cooper was a great school without AAP. Adding it just makes me want to move elsewhere. I think AAP has ruined school dynamics.

You really need to stop posting this nonsense. Everyone here knows all the Mclean and Great Falls elementary and high schools are full of AAP children and that 2 years more will make little difference. I get the feeling like you are trying to belittle AAP parents and act like you are some sort of victim. We just see a parent trying to keep a school as exlusionaty and uncrowned as possible while other kids are stuck in grossly overcrowded schools and classrooms.

Not the PP, but I agree completely with the sentiment. To whom are you directing your post? Maybe you don't realize just how many people don't want AAP to come to Cooper (or any school, for that matter)? I'm not sure how that translates to "exclusionary" - if anything, it's AAP which is exclusionary.

This gets hashed out on the AAP forum ad nauseum, but I still think that adding AAP to Cooper would attract some people who are currently moving into the Kilmer and Longfellow districts for convenience. The area is already increasingly Asian (Langley is like 23% Asian now) and the percentage could be even higher if Cooper became a top AAP school like Carson, Rocky Run and Longfellow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they add a strong AAP program at Cooper, you'd also find some families moving into the current Langley boundaries instead of into the Longfellow and Kilmer boundary areas.

Ugh, Cooper was a great school without AAP. Adding it just makes me want to move elsewhere. I think AAP has ruined school dynamics.

You really need to stop posting this nonsense. Everyone here knows all the Mclean and Great Falls elementary and high schools are full of AAP children and that 2 years more will make little difference. I get the feeling like you are trying to belittle AAP parents and act like you are some sort of victim. We just see a parent trying to keep a school as exlusionaty and uncrowned as possible while other kids are stuck in grossly overcrowded schools and classrooms.

Not the PP, but I agree completely with the sentiment. To whom are you directing your post? Maybe you don't realize just how many people don't want AAP to come to Cooper (or any school, for that matter)? I'm not sure how that translates to "exclusionary" - if anything, it's AAP which is exclusionary.

This gets hashed out on the AAP forum ad nauseum, but I still think that adding AAP to Cooper would attract some people who are currently moving into the Kilmer and Longfellow districts for convenience. The area is already increasingly Asian (Langley is like 23% Asian now) and the percentage could be even higher if Cooper became a top AAP school like Carson, Rocky Run and Longfellow.

Dear God, I hope not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they add a strong AAP program at Cooper, you'd also find some families moving into the current Langley boundaries instead of into the Longfellow and Kilmer boundary areas.

Ugh, Cooper was a great school without AAP. Adding it just makes me want to move elsewhere. I think AAP has ruined school dynamics.

You really need to stop posting this nonsense. Everyone here knows all the Mclean and Great Falls elementary and high schools are full of AAP children and that 2 years more will make little difference. I get the feeling like you are trying to belittle AAP parents and act like you are some sort of victim. We just see a parent trying to keep a school as exlusionaty and uncrowned as possible while other kids are stuck in grossly overcrowded schools and classrooms.

Not the PP, but I agree completely with the sentiment. To whom are you directing your post? Maybe you don't realize just how many people don't want AAP to come to Cooper (or any school, for that matter)? I'm not sure how that translates to "exclusionary" - if anything, it's AAP which is exclusionary.

This gets hashed out on the AAP forum ad nauseum, but I still think that adding AAP to Cooper would attract some people who are currently moving into the Kilmer and Longfellow districts for convenience. The area is already increasingly Asian (Langley is like 23% Asian now) and the percentage could be even higher if Cooper became a top AAP school like Carson, Rocky Run and Longfellow.

Dear God, I hope not.

Haha. Well, if Cooper and Langley were such paradises today, I guess FCPS wouldn't be rolling out all these contingency plans for filling empty seats at the schools in another 5-10 years if their enrollments keep dropping.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they add a strong AAP program at Cooper, you'd also find some families moving into the current Langley boundaries instead of into the Longfellow and Kilmer boundary areas.

Ugh, Cooper was a great school without AAP. Adding it just makes me want to move elsewhere. I think AAP has ruined school dynamics.

You really need to stop posting this nonsense. Everyone here knows all the Mclean and Great Falls elementary and high schools are full of AAP children and that 2 years more will make little difference. I get the feeling like you are trying to belittle AAP parents and act like you are some sort of victim. We just see a parent trying to keep a school as exlusionaty and uncrowned as possible while other kids are stuck in grossly overcrowded schools and classrooms.

Not the PP, but I agree completely with the sentiment. To whom are you directing your post? Maybe you don't realize just how many people don't want AAP to come to Cooper (or any school, for that matter)? I'm not sure how that translates to "exclusionary" - if anything, it's AAP which is exclusionary.

This gets hashed out on the AAP forum ad nauseum, but I still think that adding AAP to Cooper would attract some people who are currently moving into the Kilmer and Longfellow districts for convenience. The area is already increasingly Asian (Langley is like 23% Asian now) and the percentage could be even higher if Cooper became a top AAP school like Carson, Rocky Run and Longfellow.

Dear God, I hope not.

Haha. Well, if Cooper and Langley were such paradises today, I guess FCPS wouldn't be rolling out all these contingency plans for filling empty seats at the schools in another 5-10 years if their enrollments keep dropping.

You completely missed the point. Cooper and Langley enrollment is dropping not because they aren't paradises, but because their is less density in the neighborhoods traditionally feeding into these schools. In addition, Cooper kids still have the option of going to centers at Kilmer and Langley, so parents who care about those types of things wouldn't deign to keep their kids at the neighborhood elementary.

As for Cooper becoming a top AAP school. This is unlikely, but not for the reasons you think.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they add a strong AAP program at Cooper, you'd also find some families moving into the current Langley boundaries instead of into the Longfellow and Kilmer boundary areas.

Ugh, Cooper was a great school without AAP. Adding it just makes me want to move elsewhere. I think AAP has ruined school dynamics.

You really need to stop posting this nonsense. Everyone here knows all the Mclean and Great Falls elementary and high schools are full of AAP children and that 2 years more will make little difference. I get the feeling like you are trying to belittle AAP parents and act like you are some sort of victim. We just see a parent trying to keep a school as exlusionaty and uncrowned as possible while other kids are stuck in grossly overcrowded schools and classrooms.

Not the PP, but I agree completely with the sentiment. To whom are you directing your post? Maybe you don't realize just how many people don't want AAP to come to Cooper (or any school, for that matter)? I'm not sure how that translates to "exclusionary" - if anything, it's AAP which is exclusionary.

This gets hashed out on the AAP forum ad nauseum, but I still think that adding AAP to Cooper would attract some people who are currently moving into the Kilmer and Longfellow districts for convenience. The area is already increasingly Asian (Langley is like 23% Asian now) and the percentage could be even higher if Cooper became a top AAP school like Carson, Rocky Run and Longfellow.

Dear God, I hope not.

Haha. Well, if Cooper and Langley were such paradises today, I guess FCPS wouldn't be rolling out all these contingency plans for filling empty seats at the schools in another 5-10 years if their enrollments keep dropping.

You completely missed the point. Cooper and Langley enrollment is dropping not because they aren't paradises, but because their is less density in the neighborhoods traditionally feeding into these schools. In addition, Cooper kids still have the option of going to centers at Kilmer and Langley, so parents who care about those types of things wouldn't deign to keep their kids at the neighborhood elementary.

As for Cooper becoming a top AAP school. This is unlikely, but not for the reasons you think.

Perhaps you've missed the point. If these schools and neighborhoods had retained their appeal, the density would not be declining so sharply. If there was more demand to live in the Cooper/Langley area, you'd find the older homeowners cashing out, not aging in place in isolated, highly car-dependent neighborhoods. But they haven't, so the enrollments are dropping. Personally, I don't care if your middle school not only remains AAP-free, but becomes child-free as well. I just don't want FCPS screwing around with the boundaries for other schools in order to fill your empty classrooms. When you speak so ill of AAP children and schools, you make it quite clear that you do not warrant that effort.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they add a strong AAP program at Cooper, you'd also find some families moving into the current Langley boundaries instead of into the Longfellow and Kilmer boundary areas.

Ugh, Cooper was a great school without AAP. Adding it just makes me want to move elsewhere. I think AAP has ruined school dynamics.

You really need to stop posting this nonsense. Everyone here knows all the Mclean and Great Falls elementary and high schools are full of AAP children and that 2 years more will make little difference. I get the feeling like you are trying to belittle AAP parents and act like you are some sort of victim. We just see a parent trying to keep a school as exlusionaty and uncrowned as possible while other kids are stuck in grossly overcrowded schools and classrooms.

Not the PP, but I agree completely with the sentiment. To whom are you directing your post? Maybe you don't realize just how many people don't want AAP to come to Cooper (or any school, for that matter)? I'm not sure how that translates to "exclusionary" - if anything, it's AAP which is exclusionary.

This gets hashed out on the AAP forum ad nauseum, but I still think that adding AAP to Cooper would attract some people who are currently moving into the Kilmer and Longfellow districts for convenience. The area is already increasingly Asian (Langley is like 23% Asian now) and the percentage could be even higher if Cooper became a top AAP school like Carson, Rocky Run and Longfellow.

Dear God, I hope not.

Haha. Well, if Cooper and Langley were such paradises today, I guess FCPS wouldn't be rolling out all these contingency plans for filling empty seats at the schools in another 5-10 years if their enrollments keep dropping.

You completely missed the point. Cooper and Langley enrollment is dropping not because they aren't paradises, but because their is less density in the neighborhoods traditionally feeding into these schools. In addition, Cooper kids still have the option of going to centers at Kilmer and Langley, so parents who care about those types of things wouldn't deign to keep their kids at the neighborhood elementary.

As for Cooper becoming a top AAP school. This is unlikely, but not for the reasons you think.

Perhaps you've missed the point. If these schools and neighborhoods had retained their appeal, the density would not be declining so sharply. If there was more demand to live in the Cooper/Langley area, you'd find the older homeowners cashing out, not aging in place in isolated, highly car-dependent neighborhoods. But they haven't, so the enrollments are dropping. Personally, I don't care if your middle school not only remains AAP-free, but becomes child-free as well. I just don't want FCPS screwing around with the boundaries for other schools in order to fill your empty classrooms. When you speak so ill of AAP children and schools, you make it quite clear that you do not warrant that effort.

The older families have not moved out yet, so there is no availability (housing) for families with younger children. When those older families sell and move on, then we'll see the density increase.

[Anonymous]

There is plenty on the market in that area. It is just not selling at the prices sought by sellers, so the turnover is very slow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they add a strong AAP program at Cooper, you'd also find some families moving into the current Langley boundaries instead of into the Longfellow and Kilmer boundary areas.

Ugh, Cooper was a great school without AAP. Adding it just makes me want to move elsewhere. I think AAP has ruined school dynamics.

You really need to stop posting this nonsense. Everyone here knows all the Mclean and Great Falls elementary and high schools are full of AAP children and that 2 years more will make little difference. I get the feeling like you are trying to belittle AAP parents and act like you are some sort of victim. We just see a parent trying to keep a school as exlusionaty and uncrowned as possible while other kids are stuck in grossly overcrowded schools and classrooms.

Not the PP, but I agree completely with the sentiment. To whom are you directing your post? Maybe you don't realize just how many people don't want AAP to come to Cooper (or any school, for that matter)? I'm not sure how that translates to "exclusionary" - if anything, it's AAP which is exclusionary.

This gets hashed out on the AAP forum ad nauseum, but I still think that adding AAP to Cooper would attract some people who are currently moving into the Kilmer and Longfellow districts for convenience. The area is already increasingly Asian (Langley is like 23% Asian now) and the percentage could be even higher if Cooper became a top AAP school like Carson, Rocky Run and Longfellow.

Dear God, I hope not.

Haha. Well, if Cooper and Langley were such paradises today, I guess FCPS wouldn't be rolling out all these contingency plans for filling empty seats at the schools in another 5-10 years if their enrollments keep dropping.

You completely missed the point. Cooper and Langley enrollment is dropping not because they aren't paradises, but because their is less density in the neighborhoods traditionally feeding into these schools. In addition, Cooper kids still have the option of going to centers at Kilmer and Langley, so parents who care about those types of things wouldn't deign to keep their kids at the neighborhood elementary.

As for Cooper becoming a top AAP school. This is unlikely, but not for the reasons you think.

Perhaps you've missed the point. If these schools and neighborhoods had retained their appeal, the density would not be declining so sharply. If there was more demand to live in the Cooper/Langley area, you'd find the older homeowners cashing out, not aging in place in isolated, highly car-dependent neighborhoods. But they haven't, so the enrollments are dropping. Personally, I don't care if your middle school not only remains AAP-free, but becomes child-free as well. I just don't want FCPS screwing around with the boundaries for other schools in order to fill your empty classrooms. When you speak so ill of AAP children and schools, you make it quite clear that you do not warrant that effort.

Why would the older families cash out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they add a strong AAP program at Cooper, you'd also find some families moving into the current Langley boundaries instead of into the Longfellow and Kilmer boundary areas.

Ugh, Cooper was a great school without AAP. Adding it just makes me want to move elsewhere. I think AAP has ruined school dynamics.

You really need to stop posting this nonsense. Everyone here knows all the Mclean and Great Falls elementary and high schools are full of AAP children and that 2 years more will make little difference. I get the feeling like you are trying to belittle AAP parents and act like you are some sort of victim. We just see a parent trying to keep a school as exlusionaty and uncrowned as possible while other kids are stuck in grossly overcrowded schools and classrooms.

Not the PP, but I agree completely with the sentiment. To whom are you directing your post? Maybe you don't realize just how many people don't want AAP to come to Cooper (or any school, for that matter)? I'm not sure how that translates to "exclusionary" - if anything, it's AAP which is exclusionary.

This gets hashed out on the AAP forum ad nauseum, but I still think that adding AAP to Cooper would attract some people who are currently moving into the Kilmer and Longfellow districts for convenience. The area is already increasingly Asian (Langley is like 23% Asian now) and the percentage could be even higher if Cooper became a top AAP school like Carson, Rocky Run and Longfellow.

Dear God, I hope not.

Haha. Well, if Cooper and Langley were such paradises today, I guess FCPS wouldn't be rolling out all these contingency plans for filling empty seats at the schools in another 5-10 years if their enrollments keep dropping.

You completely missed the point. Cooper and Langley enrollment is dropping not because they aren't paradises, but because their is less density in the neighborhoods traditionally feeding into these schools. In addition, Cooper kids still have the option of going to centers at Kilmer and Langley, so parents who care about those types of things wouldn't deign to keep their kids at the neighborhood elementary.

As for Cooper becoming a top AAP school. This is unlikely, but not for the reasons you think.

What are these reasons, then?

[Anonymous]

Living in a big house with a big yard in an area where you have to drive miles for basic amenities and doctor's visits is less than ideal as you get older.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Living in a big house with a big yard in an area where you have to drive miles for basic amenities and doctor's visits is less than ideal as you get older.

It's not really ideal when you are younger either especially paying a premium for it.

If you review the zillow home homes charts it show great falls as ice cold and falling in value.

The median home value in 22066 is $1,061,100. 22066 home values have declined -4.5% over the past year and Zillow predicts they will fall -0.9% within the next year.

You will notice that that mclean is even cool and that once you move closer in the values are rising instead of falling.