Afraid of backlash against Muslims

[Anonymous]

American citizens are right to hault the Syrian refugees without knowing more about vetting. However, the genie is out of the bottle now. Europeans can freely enter our country, and they were the attackers in Paris.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not get the Koran and educate people about how Muslims are going to hell if they kill non-Muslims. It says so in the Koran, doesn't it?

No, it doesn't say that.

Signed, a person who has read the Quran, and don't make me type what it does say

Well it certainly doesn't say to kill woman and children.

~Someone that has read it several times

It says it's ok to enslave women and children, which is what ISIS is doing

- Someone who has read it and wishes more people would do so

Islam means submission to God. The whole religion is based on submission. Thats ok - somewhat relaxing to hand over the reins - except in so many places Islam institutionalized politically as a theocracy . Then people are forced to submit - non believers to believers, women to men, hair to veils, temptations to proscriptions, free speech to silence . When this religion travels to free societies it can be an uneasy fit due to places where the rules of a free society come.into conflict with the rules of Islamic communities - hence honor killings and jihadis: Duty to a code, not to the mores and laws of the new land which have been declared the enemy by whole countries not to mention some individual imams and mullahs.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not get the Koran and educate people about how Muslims are going to hell if they kill non-Muslims. It says so in the Koran, doesn't it?

No, it doesn't say that.

Signed, a person who has read the Quran, and don't make me type what it does say

Well it certainly doesn't say to kill woman and children.

~Someone that has read it several times

It says it's ok to enslave women and children, which is what ISIS is doing

- Someone who has read it and wishes more people would do so

This is the problem with an ancient text. Some say yes; others say no. Interpreting an ancient text using today's standards is useless. Let it represent its time period only. same could be said for the bible

Religion is bullshit.

[Anonymous]

Religion is bullshit to you. It is a meaningful part of life to many. The religious operate on faith, and if you don't have it you don't have it. That's OK by me.

As to 'it's just a book'--I'm not even sure what that means. It's a religious text--it is living and breathing and open to interpretation and reinterpretation.

Early Christians banned parts of early Christian writings from the 'official bible'. The Middle Ages Christians practiced horrible things such as the Inquisition , witch hunts. I am pretty sure if there were still whole parts of the Christian world - and by that I mean whole regions/political systems interwoven with religious --devoted to those types of practices, people would be questioning the practices and beliefs of Christians everywhere quite a bit.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not get the Koran and educate people about how Muslims are going to hell if they kill non-Muslims. It says so in the Koran, doesn't it?

No, it doesn't say that.

Signed, a person who has read the Quran, and don't make me type what it does say

Well it certainly doesn't say to kill woman and children.

~Someone that has read it several times

It says it's ok to enslave women and children, which is what ISIS is doing

- Someone who has read it and wishes more people would do so

This is the problem with an ancient text. Some say yes; others say no. Interpreting an ancient text using today's standards is useless. Let it represent its time period only. same could be said for the bible

Religion is bullshit.

There was never a time when enslaving women and children was okay. It wasn't okay then and it's not okay now. They were wrong then and they are wrong now.

[Anonymous]

The bible says it's ok to enslave women and children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not get the Koran and educate people about how Muslims are going to hell if they kill non-Muslims. It says so in the Koran, doesn't it?

No, it doesn't say that.

Signed, a person who has read the Quran, and don't make me type what it does say

Well it certainly doesn't say to kill woman and children.

~Someone that has read it several times

It says it's ok to enslave women and children, which is what ISIS is doing

- Someone who has read it and wishes more people would do so

This is the problem with an ancient text. Some say yes; others say no. Interpreting an ancient text using today's standards is useless. Let it represent its time period only. same could be said for the bible

Religion is bullshit.

There was never a time when enslaving women and children was okay. It wasn't okay then and it's not okay now. They were wrong then and they are wrong now.

What does that have to do with anything?

If it captured the time period, then let it be. That was my point. There's no need in resurrecting the past unless the resurrection is used to TEACH that we've learned nothing as a human race.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like you all feel paranoid but nothing has happened to you personally. But yet, we are not allowed to feel paranoid that something might happen to us here in the US by ISIS? Hate, bigotry and racism goes both ways but it is only a small minority.

Not the OP but of course you're allowed to feel paranoid about what ISIS might do. I'm paranoid about what ISIS might do. But we can worry about terrorists and not let our fears cause us to demonize millions of other people who have nothing to do with the terrorists.

On another note, ISIS wants the West to reject the refugees, which will alienate them from the West and drive them into the arms of ISIS. Giving into fear by refusing entry to 10,000 refugees is only letting the terrorists win. That's what the terrorists want in the long run.

I have read this reference to the ISIS "strategy" several times on DCUM. Can you provide a link to the ISIS playbook so I can understand their "strategy" in detail?

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Anonymous wrote:I think Trump had a chance at winning up until he started getting carried away with his anti-Muslim agenda. I would support more through background checks on refugees and even investigating mosques with extremist membership or ties to terrorists. But thinking that every Muslim should card some type of special card? I'm not Muslim, but as someone of Middle Eastern descent, I think he wants America to go backwards. I think it is important for the next President to care about all of his constituents, not just white ones. I'm a little disappointed that I'm going to have to vote for a Democrat since all of the Republicans are nuts.

I think this may actually may him go UP in the polls. I think those of us in the area are really clueless about how most of airman secretly feels. I think a lot of folks in middle america, the south think he is right. It just seems so stunning to a lot of us living in a bubble in DC. Im from the south and I am dreading thanksgiving because I know the majority of the educated family at the table all agree with trump and I just don't want to have this battle over turkey.

Right. Trump is trying to win an election. The "intellectuals" of the DC Beltway who dominate the conversation here are irrelevant to the overall vote, and strategy necessary to win the election, and the republican primary. Trump's statements are calculated, in fact his numbers have gone up since these statements. This in not unlike Obama's strategy to appeal to the low income voters by promising them "stuff" without any regard of how to pay for it. Those who knew we could not afford it were in a minority compared to the masses who want something for nothing. This is all about pandering to the fears and pent up frustration of middle America. The forgotten man for the last 7 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Me, too. Married to an Arab Muslim and have Muslim kids. It's unbelievable. A Sikh man was just brutally attacked in Chicago, with the assailant calling him a terrorist. Mosques are being vandalized left and right. Two American citizens were temporarily banned from boarding their flight because some other passenger was terrified they were speaking Arabic to one another. Hate crimes against Muslims (or perceived Muslims) have increased by 50% since all those Pam Geller campaigns came out a couple of years ago. I bet it's through the roof now with the disgusting rhetoric from most Republican presidential candidates.

George Bush, as much as I didn't like him, stressed over and over that Islam is not the enemy. It is a message that has much more power, unfortunately, coming from a white Christian man, than from a black suspected Muslim one.

Although I find the behavior you're describing deplorable, I don't find it unbelievable. People here are terrified because of these extremist psychos- who happen to be Muslims. It will pass, but I frankly wish people were more upset with the lack of response and assistance from the middle east, rather than blaming understandably frightened Americans for their fears and behaviors.

we created the vaccum in Iraq where ISIS was born. Egypt and Jordan are fighting Isis but they can barely feed their people. They need to be a part of the solution but should not be solely responsible for cleaning up our mess.

maybe if jordanian royalty didn't rape and pillage wealth and promised to transition into a representative democracy and give away their wealth, more people could be fed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like you all feel paranoid but nothing has happened to you personally. But yet, we are not allowed to feel paranoid that something might happen to us here in the US by ISIS? Hate, bigotry and racism goes both ways but it is only a small minority.

Not the OP but of course you're allowed to feel paranoid about what ISIS might do. I'm paranoid about what ISIS might do. But we can worry about terrorists and not let our fears cause us to demonize millions of other people who have nothing to do with the terrorists.

On another note, ISIS wants the West to reject the refugees, which will alienate them from the West and drive them into the arms of ISIS. Giving into fear by refusing entry to 10,000 refugees is only letting the terrorists win. That's what the terrorists want in the long run.

I have read this reference to the ISIS "strategy" several times on DCUM. Can you provide a link to the ISIS playbook so I can understand their "strategy" in detail?

Here's their filthy magazine in English.

http://media.clarionproject.org/files/islamic-state/islamic-state-dabiq-magazine-issue-7-from-hypocrisy-to-apostasy.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Me, too. Married to an Arab Muslim and have Muslim kids. It's unbelievable. A Sikh man was just brutally attacked in Chicago, with the assailant calling him a terrorist. Mosques are being vandalized left and right. Two American citizens were temporarily banned from boarding their flight because some other passenger was terrified they were speaking Arabic to one another. Hate crimes against Muslims (or perceived Muslims) have increased by 50% since all those Pam Geller campaigns came out a couple of years ago. I bet it's through the roof now with the disgusting rhetoric from most Republican presidential candidates.

George Bush, as much as I didn't like him, stressed over and over that Islam is not the enemy. It is a message that has much more power, unfortunately, coming from a white Christian man, than from a black suspected Muslim one.

Although I find the behavior you're describing deplorable, I don't find it unbelievable. People here are terrified because of these extremist psychos- who happen to be Muslims. It will pass, but I frankly wish people were more upset with the lack of response and assistance from the middle east, rather than blaming understandably frightened Americans for their fears and behaviors.

we created the vaccum in Iraq where ISIS was born. Egypt and Jordan are fighting Isis but they can barely feed their people. They need to be a part of the solution but should not be solely responsible for cleaning up our mess.

maybe if jordanian royalty didn't rape and pillage wealth and promised to transition into a representative democracy and give away their wealth, more people could be fed.

This does not absolve the U.S. of our responsibility. It sounds like my 8 year old, citing everyone else's misdeeds as the reason for his own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The bible says it's ok to enslave women and children.

no offense, but take a world religions class. Jews Christians and Muslims all share the same foundation stories--that's why they are all 'people of the book'--but they branch off at different point with different concepts of God and being saved.

[Anonymous]

What about the Annunaki? Are people still afraid of the aliens in those ancient Sumerian myths?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:American citizens are right to hault the Syrian refugees without knowing more about vetting. However, the genie is out of the bottle now. Europeans can freely enter our country, and they were the attackers in Paris.

We've had 300 killed and injured in mass shooter incidents this year in the U.S. Of those, four deaths and three injuries were caused by Muslims. Draw Muhammad and the Chatanooga Navy recruitment center. Statistically, we are most at risk by run-of-the-mill young, white, non-Muslim men. Based on 2015 stats, we each have about a 0.000002% risk of being killed or injured by an Islamic terrorist. Fewer than 20 Americans are killed worldwide by terrorists each year, and that includes in war zones. Is it really worth shutting down an existing refugee program that has a 2 year vetting process because of such an almost-insignificant risk?