James Blake, American former Tennis pro, profiled and assaulted by NYPD due to his race

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NY is a cesspool

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Anonymous wrote:It was a mistake, the top police brass apologized profusely and the officer has been suspended. There is a definite resemblance to the suspect, though.

Did anyone say it wasn't a mistake?

Forgot this part, didn'tcha? The other fact you are ignoring is that it was clearly a black individual that committed the crime to begin with. Was that racist too, that the actual guilty individuals were black? Should the police gone after Asian individuals or Caucasian individuals instead while searching for the suspects?

Actually, the other guy was innocent, too. Moreover, the alleged crime was a nonviolent financial issue, so even if he had been guilty, the whole matter of attacking the suspend and never identifying himself as a cop was still way out of line.

You have NO idea who is packing any sort of weapon and who isn't. So whether or not the crime was financial is of no never mind. The officers went on the best information at the time, and that's what a trained officer is supposed to do.

Officers are routinely killed during traffic stops. Those individuals were not violent at the time they were stopped, until they because violent.

So, you believe that the police should be able to tackle any citizen at any time, and wrestle them to the ground without identifying themselves as law enforcement? No matter the alleged crime and lacking any verification of the alleged perpetrator's identity?

Because that's what happened here. Can you imagine such a world? In which you can just be minding your own business and at any time some thug in plain clothes can grab you and throw you to the ground because you might resemble someone who committed a nonviolent crime? The officer (and the victim) are lucky the victim didn't fight back, which is the normal response when attacked by someone who doesn't identify themselves as a police officer.

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Anonymous wrote:Whoever is convinced the officer was justified or that James Blake had it coming or that blacks shouldn't see this incident as a clear indication of just how quickly cops resort to unnecessarily excessive force when dealing with blacks - enjoy your take on things. The mayor and police commissioner of New York don't share your sentiments nor do the majority of the people in this country - whites and blacks I might add. You can argue in this thread until you're blue in the face but I guarantee whatever ideal resolution you're hoping for (people switch up and start calling the cop a hero, James Blake has a change of heart and decides to say that he was in the wrong, whatever...) it's not going to happen.

+1 In fact, it's only going to get worse for folks like the PP from here on out. These things are coming to light now, and with the ubiquity of CCTV and citizens with mobile phones, we're not going to stop hearing about police brutality until the brutality stops. This means that law enforcement is either going to clean up its act and actually deal with the bad apples, or a whole generation of Americans (Black and white) is going to grow up without any trust in the police.

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Anonymous wrote:Whoever is convinced the officer was justified or that James Blake had it coming or that blacks shouldn't see this incident as a clear indication of just how quickly cops resort to unnecessarily excessive force when dealing with blacks - enjoy your take on things. The mayor and police commissioner of New York don't share your sentiments nor do the majority of the people in this country - whites and blacks I might add. You can argue in this thread until you're blue in the face but I guarantee whatever ideal resolution you're hoping for (people switch up and start calling the cop a hero, James Blake has a change of heart and decides to say that he was in the wrong, whatever...) it's not going to happen.

+1 In fact, it's only going to get worse for folks like the PP from here on out. These things are coming to light now, and with the ubiquity of CCTV and citizens with mobile phones, we're not going to stop hearing about police brutality until the brutality stops. This means that law enforcement is either going to clean up its act and actually deal with the bad apples, or a whole generation of Americans (Black and white) is going to grow up without any trust in the police.

It's already true. Young people don't trust cops.

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Anonymous wrote:A mistake...yeah...

The officer, James Frascatore, who is white, is a defendant in two federal lawsuits filed earlier that allege excessive force in separate incidents.

Last year, Frascatore was named in an amended complaint filed in federal court in Brooklyn alleging he and seven other officers and sergeants beat and unlawfully arrested a man in a Queens deli in May 2013.

The officer is named in a complaint filed in May alleging that officers used excessive force against a man named Warren Diggs for riding his bicycle on the sidewalk in 2013.
That's not a mistake...
That's a frigging pattern.

"Who is white" - yet with the name "Frascatore" his grandfather would not have been able to rent an apartment or buy a house in many neighborhoods in America in the 1950s.

Right, and in the 1950's James Blake would have been hanging from a tree with a crowd of cheering white onlookers taking pictures of his bloody and burned carcass to make postcards for their friends and family. But it's not the 1950's we're in the 21st century try and keep up with the here and now. Officer Frascatore is now just a guy whereas James Blake evidently in some respects is still relegated to the second class citizenship of n#gger.

Apparently in your pursuit of trying to one-up everyone else you missed the fact that one of the biggest cases of lynching in the US was when 11 Italian immigrants were indiscriminately rounded up en masse and murdered by a mob in New Orleans in 1899. But to you anyone not black is white, all whites are evil, and blacks are the only victims, and it's all about white vs. black and nothing else. Yep, got it.

Quite the contrary, to me anyone willfully ignorant of the injustices that still exist today in this country which are deeply ro in racism or who determinedly denies the fact that discrimination that still exists today in this country which are deeply rooted in racism is not evil but sick, and if you are so delusional that the only racism and discrimination you're willing to accept or admit are the "reverse" forms so that you can lay sole claim to victimhood well then you are one sick puppy.
I have no interest in going tit-for-tat with anyone about which groups experienced how much suffering XX number of years ago but since you brought it up, in 1919 the NAACP published "Thirty Years of Lynching in the United States, 1889-1918." This report indicated that 3,224 people were lynched in the thirty-year period. Of these, 702 were white and 2,522 black.

But, who is doing the lynching today?

Last year, over 2,000 blacks were murdered by other blacks.

Dear white antagonist,

I understand it's innate for you to mount an opposition to anything and everything blacks say about racial disparities regarding the criminal justice system as it is imperative for blacks to stay "down" in order for you to retain your precious white privilege, however, the argument that excessive force and unfair treatment by law enforcement officials is somehow reasonable or something that should be tolerated because of "black-on-black" crime is a poor and pathetic argument. "White-on-white" crime is rampant among Caucasians with over 80% of whites being killed by other whites but that doesn't justify your rights as a citizen to be infringed upon does it? You still have the right to not be tackled choked beaten pistol-whipped or shot unnecessarily even when suspected of a crime and placed under arrest. The same rights should extend to non-whites as this is a democracy and just because a man has melanin in his skin that doesn't automatically open the door for authorities to treat him any differently. Are you suggesting that James Blake deserved to be brought down with such force despite not posing a threat and despite not putting up any resistance, that simply because a lot of blacks kill blacks and James Blake is black that warranted his being treated like that? Is that justice?

Not the PP you are responding to - the only thing that seems innate in these threads is your apparent need to constantly make race the reason and whites the blame for anything and everything that befalls blacks. YES, there is white on white crime, as you have reminded us a million times. But the difference is that whites acknowledge it, and don't automatically blame blacks for every instance of white on white crime, and don't automatically blame blacks and racism for every bad thing to happen to whites - whereas you seem hell bent to blame whites and racism for every bad thing to happen to blacks. Again, more whites have been shot by cops, and more whites have been victims of police brutality than blacks have, including whites being victims of brutality at the hands of black cops - but the difference is that we don't AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME RACISM EACH AND EVERY FUCKING TIME the way you do.

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Anonymous wrote:It was a mistake, the top police brass apologized profusely and the officer has been suspended. There is a definite resemblance to the suspect, though.

Did anyone say it wasn't a mistake?

Forgot this part, didn'tcha? The other fact you are ignoring is that it was clearly a black individual that committed the crime to begin with. Was that racist too, that the actual guilty individuals were black? Should the police gone after Asian individuals or Caucasian individuals instead while searching for the suspects?

Actually, the other guy was innocent, too. Moreover, the alleged crime was a nonviolent financial issue, so even if he had been guilty, the whole matter of attacking the suspend and never identifying himself as a cop was still way out of line.

You have NO idea who is packing any sort of weapon and who isn't. So whether or not the crime was financial is of no never mind. The officers went on the best information at the time, and that's what a trained officer is supposed to do.

Officers are routinely killed during traffic stops. Those individuals were not violent at the time they were stopped, until they because violent.

So, you believe that the police should be able to tackle any citizen at any time, and wrestle them to the ground without identifying themselves as law enforcement? No matter the alleged crime and lacking any verification of the alleged perpetrator's identity?

Because that's what happened here. Can you imagine such a world? In which you can just be minding your own business and at any time some thug in plain clothes can grab you and throw you to the ground because you might resemble someone who committed a nonviolent crime? The officer (and the victim) are lucky the victim didn't fight back, which is the normal response when attacked by someone who doesn't identify themselves as a police officer.

Your lies are bolded. This was a case of mistaken identity

Now the few times I was brutally thrown to the ground in the Metro by black women after I put my metro card in the turnstile? Those were not cases of mistaken identity. Those were out-and-out assault and theft.

[Anonymous]

So wait...police brutality is a problem for whites too?
Uhhhh - so why the staunch opposition to address police brutality? Why the insistence to resort to ridiculous rationales about how unnecessary force is justifiable such as in this James Blake case? Wouldn't the call for more accountability ultimately benefit whites also?

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Let's say it's not about race.
Let's say it's simply about the prevalence of improper procedure and reckless conduct by overzealous wanna-be-action-hero authorities.
Isn't that something that needs to be addressed?
Doesn't such behavior jeopardize the rights and safety of all citizens?

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Anonymous wrote:It was a mistake, the top police brass apologized profusely and the officer has been suspended. There is a definite resemblance to the suspect, though.

Did anyone say it wasn't a mistake?

Forgot this part, didn'tcha? The other fact you are ignoring is that it was clearly a black individual that committed the crime to begin with. Was that racist too, that the actual guilty individuals were black? Should the police gone after Asian individuals or Caucasian individuals instead while searching for the suspects?

Actually, the other guy was innocent, too. Moreover, the alleged crime was a nonviolent financial issue, so even if he had been guilty, the whole matter of attacking the suspend and never identifying himself as a cop was still way out of line.

You have NO idea who is packing any sort of weapon and who isn't. So whether or not the crime was financial is of no never mind. The officers went on the best information at the time, and that's what a trained officer is supposed to do.

Officers are routinely killed during traffic stops. Those individuals were not violent at the time they were stopped, until they because violent.

So, you believe that the police should be able to tackle any citizen at any time, and wrestle them to the ground without identifying themselves as law enforcement? No matter the alleged crime and lacking any verification of the alleged perpetrator's identity?

Because that's what happened here. Can you imagine such a world? In which you can just be minding your own business and at any time some thug in plain clothes can grab you and throw you to the ground because you might resemble someone who committed a nonviolent crime? The officer (and the victim) are lucky the victim didn't fight back, which is the normal response when attacked by someone who doesn't identify themselves as a police officer.

Your lies are bolded. This was a case of mistaken identity

There are no lies. He was brought to the ground by a plainclothes officer who did not immediately identify himself as law enforcement. The mistaken identity is irrelevant because that is totally inappropriate EVEN IF THEY HAD THE RIGHT GUY. Frascatore has racked up a lot of complaints in only four years on the force. I expect he's seen Lethal Weapon a few too many times and thinks that is how he should comport himself.

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Anonymous wrote:It was a mistake, the top police brass apologized profusely and the officer has been suspended. There is a definite resemblance to the suspect, though.

Did anyone say it wasn't a mistake?

Forgot this part, didn'tcha? The other fact you are ignoring is that it was clearly a black individual that committed the crime to begin with. Was that racist too, that the actual guilty individuals were black? Should the police gone after Asian individuals or Caucasian individuals instead while searching for the suspects?

Actually, the other guy was innocent, too. Moreover, the alleged crime was a nonviolent financial issue, so even if he had been guilty, the whole matter of attacking the suspend and never identifying himself as a cop was still way out of line.

You have NO idea who is packing any sort of weapon and who isn't. So whether or not the crime was financial is of no never mind. The officers went on the best information at the time, and that's what a trained officer is supposed to do.

Officers are routinely killed during traffic stops. Those individuals were not violent at the time they were stopped, until they because violent.

So, you believe that the police should be able to tackle any citizen at any time, and wrestle them to the ground without identifying themselves as law enforcement? No matter the alleged crime and lacking any verification of the alleged perpetrator's identity?

Because that's what happened here. Can you imagine such a world? In which you can just be minding your own business and at any time some thug in plain clothes can grab you and throw you to the ground because you might resemble someone who committed a nonviolent crime? The officer (and the victim) are lucky the victim didn't fight back, which is the normal response when attacked by someone who doesn't identify themselves as a police officer.

Your lies are bolded. This was a case of mistaken identity

There are no lies. He was brought to the ground by a plainclothes officer who did not immediately identify himself as law enforcement. The mistaken identity is irrelevant because that is totally inappropriate EVEN IF THEY HAD THE RIGHT GUY. Frascatore has racked up a lot of complaints in only four years on the force. I expect he's seen Lethal Weapon a few too many times and thinks that is how he should comport himself.

This was my whole post:

Your lies are bolded. This was a case of mistaken identity

Now the few times I was brutally thrown to the ground in the Metro by black women after I put my metro card in the turnstile? Those were not cases of mistaken identity. Those were out-and-out assault and theft.

It's notable you took out the part where I was assaulted in the same fashion, but that individual was actually in the process of committing assault. THAT was totally 'inappropriate' and in actuality a CRIME.

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Anonymous wrote:Whoever is convinced the officer was justified or that James Blake had it coming or that blacks shouldn't see this incident as a clear indication of just how quickly cops resort to unnecessarily excessive force when dealing with blacks - enjoy your take on things. The mayor and police commissioner of New York don't share your sentiments nor do the majority of the people in this country - whites and blacks I might add. You can argue in this thread until you're blue in the face but I guarantee whatever ideal resolution you're hoping for (people switch up and start calling the cop a hero, James Blake has a change of heart and decides to say that he was in the wrong, whatever...) it's not going to happen.

+1 In fact, it's only going to get worse for folks like the PP from here on out. These things are coming to light now, and with the ubiquity of CCTV and citizens with mobile phones, we're not going to stop hearing about police brutality until the brutality stops. This means that law enforcement is either going to clean up its act and actually deal with the bad apples, or a whole generation of Americans (Black and white) is going to grow up without any trust in the police.

That would be a grotesquely skewed perception. Out of the hundreds of thousands of law enforcement officers in the US, who have millions of positive interactions with citizens each and every day, we allow overhyping and oversensationalizing of the tiny handful of cases of police violence shape perception. Note, I'm not saying police abuses don't happen, nor do I defend them, but this wholescale, across-the-board mischaracterization and demonization of law enforcement is totally unacceptable.

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Anonymous wrote:It was a mistake, the top police brass apologized profusely and the officer has been suspended. There is a definite resemblance to the suspect, though.

Did anyone say it wasn't a mistake?

Forgot this part, didn'tcha? The other fact you are ignoring is that it was clearly a black individual that committed the crime to begin with. Was that racist too, that the actual guilty individuals were black? Should the police gone after Asian individuals or Caucasian individuals instead while searching for the suspects?

Actually, the other guy was innocent, too. Moreover, the alleged crime was a nonviolent financial issue, so even if he had been guilty, the whole matter of attacking the suspend and never identifying himself as a cop was still way out of line.

You have NO idea who is packing any sort of weapon and who isn't. So whether or not the crime was financial is of no never mind. The officers went on the best information at the time, and that's what a trained officer is supposed to do.

Officers are routinely killed during traffic stops. Those individuals were not violent at the time they were stopped, until they because violent.

So, you believe that the police should be able to tackle any citizen at any time, and wrestle them to the ground without identifying themselves as law enforcement? No matter the alleged crime and lacking any verification of the alleged perpetrator's identity?

Because that's what happened here. Can you imagine such a world? In which you can just be minding your own business and at any time some thug in plain clothes can grab you and throw you to the ground because you might resemble someone who committed a nonviolent crime? The officer (and the victim) are lucky the victim didn't fight back, which is the normal response when attacked by someone who doesn't identify themselves as a police officer.

Your lies are bolded. This was a case of mistaken identity

There are no lies. He was brought to the ground by a plainclothes officer who did not immediately identify himself as law enforcement. The mistaken identity is irrelevant because that is totally inappropriate EVEN IF THEY HAD THE RIGHT GUY. Frascatore has racked up a lot of complaints in only four years on the force. I expect he's seen Lethal Weapon a few too many times and thinks that is how he should comport himself.

This was my whole post:

Your lies are bolded. This was a case of mistaken identity

Now the few times I was brutally thrown to the ground in the Metro by black women after I put my metro card in the turnstile? Those were not cases of mistaken identity. Those were out-and-out assault and theft.

It's notable you took out the part where I was assaulted in the same fashion, but that individual was actually in the process of committing assault. THAT was totally 'inappropriate' and in actuality a CRIME.

Was the woman who assaulted you in the same fashion sworn to uphold the peace? Was she trusted by taxpayers to protect them, and paid to do so? Was she lauded by society as a hero for just doing her job?

More to the point, was what happened to you treated as a crime? Or did people argue you pretty much had it coming, and that random assault is the price we pay for a free society?

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That would be a grotesquely skewed perception. Out of the hundreds of thousands of law enforcement officers in the US, who have millions of positive interactions with citizens each and every day, we allow overhyping and oversensationalizing of the tiny handful of cases of police violence shape perception. Note, I'm not saying police abuses don't happen, nor do I defend them, but this wholescale, across-the-board mischaracterization and demonization of law enforcement is totally unacceptable.

No one is demonizing law enforcement. But how do I know who the bad apples are? How can I trust that the one that pulls me over for a broken taillight is one of the good ones? If I have no idea who the good ones are, and I know that even the good ones protect the bad apples, I have to enter every interaction with law enforcement with the assumption that he or she might be a racist thug looking to break some heads that day.

[Anonymous]

Profiled for being black? Uhm, I look more black than this guy.

He was profiled for matching the description and whereabouts of an identity thief.

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Anonymous wrote:It was a mistake, the top police brass apologized profusely and the officer has been suspended. There is a definite resemblance to the suspect, though.

Did anyone say it wasn't a mistake?

Forgot this part, didn'tcha? The other fact you are ignoring is that it was clearly a black individual that committed the crime to begin with. Was that racist too, that the actual guilty individuals were black? Should the police gone after Asian individuals or Caucasian individuals instead while searching for the suspects?

Actually, the other guy was innocent, too. Moreover, the alleged crime was a nonviolent financial issue, so even if he had been guilty, the whole matter of attacking the suspend and never identifying himself as a cop was still way out of line.

You have NO idea who is packing any sort of weapon and who isn't. So whether or not the crime was financial is of no never mind. The officers went on the best information at the time, and that's what a trained officer is supposed to do.

Officers are routinely killed during traffic stops. Those individuals were not violent at the time they were stopped, until they because violent.

So, you believe that the police should be able to tackle any citizen at any time, and wrestle them to the ground without identifying themselves as law enforcement? No matter the alleged crime and lacking any verification of the alleged perpetrator's identity?

Because that's what happened here. Can you imagine such a world? In which you can just be minding your own business and at any time some thug in plain clothes can grab you and throw you to the ground because you might resemble someone who committed a nonviolent crime? The officer (and the victim) are lucky the victim didn't fight back, which is the normal response when attacked by someone who doesn't identify themselves as a police officer.

Your lies are bolded. This was a case of mistaken identity

There are no lies. He was brought to the ground by a plainclothes officer who did not immediately identify himself as law enforcement. The mistaken identity is irrelevant because that is totally inappropriate EVEN IF THEY HAD THE RIGHT GUY. Frascatore has racked up a lot of complaints in only four years on the force. I expect he's seen Lethal Weapon a few too many times and thinks that is how he should comport himself.

This was my whole post:

Your lies are bolded. This was a case of mistaken identity

Now the few times I was brutally thrown to the ground in the Metro by black women after I put my metro card in the turnstile? Those were not cases of mistaken identity. Those were out-and-out assault and theft.

It's notable you took out the part where I was assaulted in the same fashion, but that individual was actually in the process of committing assault. THAT was totally 'inappropriate' and in actuality a CRIME.

I took out the rest of your post because A) I was not responding to it; and B) even if it describes a crime, unless that crime was perpetrated by law enforcement it is completely irrelevant to this discussion. Unless you are insinuating that just because Blake is black like those women he deserves the assumption that he is automatically guilty of a crime. Several courts in New York have already ruled that is not OK.