List of big US companies that are religious

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't think it's a big deal if a company prints a Bible verse on it's coffee cups.

What would be more disturbing to me would be in the case of Prop 8 in California where 2/3 of the donations against same sex marriage came from Utah: http://articles.latimes.com/2008/aug/01/local/me-gaymarriage1

The Torah and Bible do say homosexuality is wrong - Leviticus (Torah/Bible) says “If a man lies with a male as one lies with a woman, the two of them have done an abhorrent thing; they shall be put to death—their bloodguilt is upon them” (Leviticus 20:13).

So are you against all followers of the Torah and Bible - all Jews and Christians?? And homosexuality is forbidden in islam - would you ban all islamic companies too? Will you stop buying gasoline and take the train or bike everywhere? this thread is so ridiculous. And I'm not even against gay marriage but still, I have a brain.

Please read the rest of Leviticus before using that as a citation. Seriously.

I'm a devout atheist. I don't patronize places like CFA, who give money to hate groups disguised as religious groups. I don't see any reason to take a CEO's religious or non-religious beliefs into consideration, unless they're donating money to questionable groups. Tithing is not a questionable donation.

Ok, let's see, it goes on to say. . . But first thing's first - this is one of the only chapters in the whole Torah/Bible where it is the WORD OF GOD himself, spoken to moses. GOD said these things. Not Moses, not Jesus, etc. Anywho, let's see what Leviticus goes on to say. . .

- If a man has sex with an animal = put to death. 20:15
- If a man has sex with his sister, half-sister, = cut off from the community. 20:17
- Don't screw your aunt. 20:19
- Don't screw your sister-in-law either. 20:21
- If you don't obey these laws, the land I bring to you will spit you out. 20:22.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't think it's a big deal if a company prints a Bible verse on it's coffee cups.

What would be more disturbing to me would be in the case of Prop 8 in California where 2/3 of the donations against same sex marriage came from Utah: http://articles.latimes.com/2008/aug/01/local/me-gaymarriage1

Not a big deal, but why bother, save the ink.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I hear you. I refuse to give Chik-fil-a (sp ?) my business anymore because the owners/management are religious, homophobic, discriminatory shitheads.

So PP, do you not eat out anymore? Anywhere?

I don't see how you can find many good restaurants to eat at in this city if your line in the sand is that the owners or management cannot be religious and supportive of traditional marriage.

It rules out all the middle eastern restaurants, or businesses owned or run by those who practice Islam. Darn. That is some good food. But we can't eat or patronize businesses that just might have religious owners or managers.

Most Christian owned businesses too. Even secularly owned businesses, because you never know if that company might have accidentally hired a practicing Baptist or a Morman.

How do Hindus feel about gay marriage? Ooops, 50/50% chance you can't eat at any Indian restaurants. Damn!

Buddhists? Got to cut our some of those businesses too.

Well, let's patronize the Jewish establishments. Wait, no, not the ones owned by Orthodox Jews. Well, crap.

Nothing like a good Jewish deli. OP won't patronize one though. What is the word for that again? Oh yeah... anti-semite.

Oh fuck you. Seriously. You're being a dramatic, lying cunt. Did you actually click the article and see that they posted examples of controversial religious ideologies, not just blanket lists?

Controversial religious ideologies? Christian? Mormon? Huh?

You posted a list of companies that were religious. Your motivation in posting said list was to encourage people to boycott these companies, was it not? You said nothing about how they've taken stands that alienate or offend large customer swaths of customers -- the most egregious examples in some of them were to publish a Bible verse somewhere (Forever 21, Alaska Airlines). How's that "controversial religious ideology?"

So, by your logic, a self-identified Jewish deli is to be avoided. Which makes you an anti-semite. I don't understand what it was about having your post put to you in those terms that finally jarred you into just how horrible it was for you to start this thread in the first place, but it is true and it logically follows.

And to the pp, I have no idea who "Katherine" is -- my name is Roger.

Good lord dude, chill out. You're acting like the OP personally put a list together and published it on Yahoo, and this little ol' niche on the web. You clearly have anger and resentment issues. I hope you work on that, instead of lashing out at random people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I hear you. I refuse to give Chik-fil-a (sp ?) my business anymore because the owners/management are religious, homophobic, discriminatory shitheads.

So PP, do you not eat out anymore? Anywhere?

I don't see how you can find many good restaurants to eat at in this city if your line in the sand is that the owners or management cannot be religious and supportive of traditional marriage.

It rules out all the middle eastern restaurants, or businesses owned or run by those who practice Islam. Darn. That is some good food. But we can't eat or patronize businesses that just might have religious owners or managers.

Most Christian owned businesses too. Even secularly owned businesses, because you never know if that company might have accidentally hired a practicing Baptist or a Morman.

How do Hindus feel about gay marriage? Ooops, 50/50% chance you can't eat at any Indian restaurants. Damn!

Buddhists? Got to cut our some of those businesses too.

Well, let's patronize the Jewish establishments. Wait, no, not the ones owned by Orthodox Jews. Well, crap.

Nothing like a good Jewish deli. OP won't patronize one though. What is the word for that again? Oh yeah... anti-semite.

Oh fuck you. Seriously. You're being a dramatic, lying cunt. Did you actually click the article and see that they posted examples of controversial religious ideologies, not just blanket lists?

Controversial religious ideologies? Christian? Mormon? Huh?

You posted a list of companies that were religious. Your motivation in posting said list was to encourage people to boycott these companies, was it not? You said nothing about how they've taken stands that alienate or offend large customer swaths of customers -- the most egregious examples in some of them were to publish a Bible verse somewhere (Forever 21, Alaska Airlines). How's that "controversial religious ideology?"

So, by your logic, a self-identified Jewish deli is to be avoided. Which makes you an anti-semite. I don't understand what it was about having your post put to you in those terms that finally jarred you into just how horrible it was for you to start this thread in the first place, but it is true and it logically follows.

And to the pp, I have no idea who "Katherine" is -- my name is Roger.

Good lord dude, chill out. You're acting like the OP personally put a list together and published it on Yahoo, and this little ol' niche on the web. You clearly have anger and resentment issues. I hope you work on that, instead of lashing out at random people.

The OP was too lazy to personally put together a list. Instead, she grabbed someone else's work and started an entire thread based on the premise that the companies named in the list should be avoided for some reason.

Reacting to that makes me neither angry nor resentful. This is a discussion forum. I'm discussing. I didn't say "fuck you." I didn't call anyone a "lying cunt." That was someone else. And you think I have the anger issues?

Clearly, the direction this thread has taken has made you uncomfortable. I hope it results in you undertaking some personal circumspection. And that you avoid, in the future, condescending to others, especially when the "hope" you profess for others is really something you should consider for yourself.

Good day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I hear you. I refuse to give Chik-fil-a (sp ?) my business anymore because the owners/management are religious, homophobic, discriminatory shitheads.

So PP, do you not eat out anymore? Anywhere?

I don't see how you can find many good restaurants to eat at in this city if your line in the sand is that the owners or management cannot be religious and supportive of traditional marriage.

It rules out all the middle eastern restaurants, or businesses owned or run by those who practice Islam. Darn. That is some good food. But we can't eat or patronize businesses that just might have religious owners or managers.

Most Christian owned businesses too. Even secularly owned businesses, because you never know if that company might have accidentally hired a practicing Baptist or a Morman.

How do Hindus feel about gay marriage? Ooops, 50/50% chance you can't eat at any Indian restaurants. Damn!

Buddhists? Got to cut our some of those businesses too.

Well, let's patronize the Jewish establishments. Wait, no, not the ones owned by Orthodox Jews. Well, crap.

Nothing like a good Jewish deli. OP won't patronize one though. What is the word for that again? Oh yeah... anti-semite.

Oh fuck you. Seriously. You're being a dramatic, lying cunt. Did you actually click the article and see that they posted examples of controversial religious ideologies, not just blanket lists?

Controversial religious ideologies? Christian? Mormon? Huh?

You posted a list of companies that were religious. Your motivation in posting said list was to encourage people to boycott these companies, was it not? You said nothing about how they've taken stands that alienate or offend large customer swaths of customers -- the most egregious examples in some of them were to publish a Bible verse somewhere (Forever 21, Alaska Airlines). How's that "controversial religious ideology?"

So, by your logic, a self-identified Jewish deli is to be avoided. Which makes you an anti-semite. I don't understand what it was about having your post put to you in those terms that finally jarred you into just how horrible it was for you to start this thread in the first place, but it is true and it logically follows.

And to the pp, I have no idea who "Katherine" is -- my name is Roger.

Good lord dude, chill out. You're acting like the OP personally put a list together and published it on Yahoo, and this little ol' niche on the web. You clearly have anger and resentment issues. I hope you work on that, instead of lashing out at random people.

These responses seem far angrier and are lashing out more then the ones that are being responded to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I hear you. I refuse to give Chik-fil-a (sp ?) my business anymore because the owners/management are religious, homophobic, discriminatory shitheads.

So PP, do you not eat out anymore? Anywhere?

I don't see how you can find many good restaurants to eat at in this city if your line in the sand is that the owners or management cannot be religious and supportive of traditional marriage.

It rules out all the middle eastern restaurants, or businesses owned or run by those who practice Islam. Darn. That is some good food. But we can't eat or patronize businesses that just might have religious owners or managers.

Most Christian owned businesses too. Even secularly owned businesses, because you never know if that company might have accidentally hired a practicing Baptist or a Morman.

How do Hindus feel about gay marriage? Ooops, 50/50% chance you can't eat at any Indian restaurants. Damn!

Buddhists? Got to cut our some of those businesses too.

Well, let's patronize the Jewish establishments. Wait, no, not the ones owned by Orthodox Jews. Well, crap.

Nothing like a good Jewish deli. OP won't patronize one though. What is the word for that again? Oh yeah... anti-semite.

Oh fuck you. Seriously. You're being a dramatic, lying cunt. Did you actually click the article and see that they posted examples of controversial religious ideologies, not just blanket lists?

Controversial religious ideologies? Christian? Mormon? Huh?

You posted a list of companies that were religious. Your motivation in posting said list was to encourage people to boycott these companies, was it not? You said nothing about how they've taken stands that alienate or offend large customer swaths of customers -- the most egregious examples in some of them were to publish a Bible verse somewhere (Forever 21, Alaska Airlines). How's that "controversial religious ideology?"

So, by your logic, a self-identified Jewish deli is to be avoided. Which makes you an anti-semite. I don't understand what it was about having your post put to you in those terms that finally jarred you into just how horrible it was for you to start this thread in the first place, but it is true and it logically follows.

And to the pp, I have no idea who "Katherine" is -- my name is Roger.

Good lord dude, chill out. You're acting like the OP personally put a list together and published it on Yahoo, and this little ol' niche on the web. You clearly have anger and resentment issues. I hope you work on that, instead of lashing out at random people.

These responses seem far angrier and are lashing out more then the ones that are being responded to.

That's fine Roger, you're entitled to your opinion. So are others, in deciding where to spend their money, and where not to. I wish you peace of mind.

[Anonymous]

I don't care if a business is religious. I do care if they discriminate and/or fund discriminatory causes or institutions. I don't believe in God, but my favorite local charity is the Interfaith Charities in MoCo. They aren't preachy. Just helpful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I hear you. I refuse to give Chik-fil-a (sp ?) my business anymore because the owners/management are religious, homophobic, discriminatory shitheads.

So PP, do you not eat out anymore? Anywhere?

I don't see how you can find many good restaurants to eat at in this city if your line in the sand is that the owners or management cannot be religious and supportive of traditional marriage.

It rules out all the middle eastern restaurants, or businesses owned or run by those who practice Islam. Darn. That is some good food. But we can't eat or patronize businesses that just might have religious owners or managers.

Most Christian owned businesses too. Even secularly owned businesses, because you never know if that company might have accidentally hired a practicing Baptist or a Morman.

How do Hindus feel about gay marriage? Ooops, 50/50% chance you can't eat at any Indian restaurants. Damn!

Buddhists? Got to cut our some of those businesses too.

Well, let's patronize the Jewish establishments. Wait, no, not the ones owned by Orthodox Jews. Well, crap.

Nothing like a good Jewish deli. OP won't patronize one though. What is the word for that again? Oh yeah... anti-semite.

Oh fuck you. Seriously. You're being a dramatic, lying cunt. Did you actually click the article and see that they posted examples of controversial religious ideologies, not just blanket lists?

Controversial religious ideologies? Christian? Mormon? Huh?

You posted a list of companies that were religious. Your motivation in posting said list was to encourage people to boycott these companies, was it not? You said nothing about how they've taken stands that alienate or offend large customer swaths of customers -- the most egregious examples in some of them were to publish a Bible verse somewhere (Forever 21, Alaska Airlines). How's that "controversial religious ideology?"

So, by your logic, a self-identified Jewish deli is to be avoided. Which makes you an anti-semite. I don't understand what it was about having your post put to you in those terms that finally jarred you into just how horrible it was for you to start this thread in the first place, but it is true and it logically follows.

And to the pp, I have no idea who "Katherine" is -- my name is Roger.

Good lord dude, chill out. You're acting like the OP personally put a list together and published it on Yahoo, and this little ol' niche on the web. You clearly have anger and resentment issues. I hope you work on that, instead of lashing out at random people.

The OP was too lazy to personally put together a list. Instead, she grabbed someone else's work and started an entire thread based on the premise that the companies named in the list should be avoided for some reason.

Reacting to that makes me neither angry nor resentful. This is a discussion forum. I'm discussing. I didn't say "fuck you." I didn't call anyone a "lying cunt." That was someone else. And you think I have the anger issues?

Clearly, the direction this thread has taken has made you uncomfortable. I hope it results in you undertaking some personal circumspection. And that you avoid, in the future, condescending to others, especially when the "hope" you profess for others is really something you should consider for yourself.

Good day.

But calling someone anti-Semitic and other ad hominems is acceptable? I will forever never understand the hypocritical lack of self-awareness that many supposedly people of faith encompass.

Peace to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't care if a business is religious. I do care if they discriminate and/or fund discriminatory causes or institutions. I don't believe in God, but my favorite local charity is the Interfaith Charities in MoCo. They aren't preachy. Just helpful.

+1

It's not about merely religious or not, but what someone does with their religion. The article gives many different examples and explanations of how various companies use religion in their business ethics (or lack of?). The details are what matter, not merely religious or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I hear you. I refuse to give Chik-fil-a (sp ?) my business anymore because the owners/management are religious, homophobic, discriminatory shitheads.

So PP, do you not eat out anymore? Anywhere?

I don't see how you can find many good restaurants to eat at in this city if your line in the sand is that the owners or management cannot be religious and supportive of traditional marriage.

It rules out all the middle eastern restaurants, or businesses owned or run by those who practice Islam. Darn. That is some good food. But we can't eat or patronize businesses that just might have religious owners or managers.

Most Christian owned businesses too. Even secularly owned businesses, because you never know if that company might have accidentally hired a practicing Baptist or a Morman.

How do Hindus feel about gay marriage? Ooops, 50/50% chance you can't eat at any Indian restaurants. Damn!

Buddhists? Got to cut our some of those businesses too.

Well, let's patronize the Jewish establishments. Wait, no, not the ones owned by Orthodox Jews. Well, crap.

Nothing like a good Jewish deli. OP won't patronize one though. What is the word for that again? Oh yeah... anti-semite.

Oh fuck you. Seriously. You're being a dramatic, lying cunt. Did you actually click the article and see that they posted examples of controversial religious ideologies, not just blanket lists?

Controversial religious ideologies? Christian? Mormon? Huh?

You posted a list of companies that were religious. Your motivation in posting said list was to encourage people to boycott these companies, was it not? You said nothing about how they've taken stands that alienate or offend large customer swaths of customers -- the most egregious examples in some of them were to publish a Bible verse somewhere (Forever 21, Alaska Airlines). How's that "controversial religious ideology?"

So, by your logic, a self-identified Jewish deli is to be avoided. Which makes you an anti-semite. I don't understand what it was about having your post put to you in those terms that finally jarred you into just how horrible it was for you to start this thread in the first place, but it is true and it logically follows.

And to the pp, I have no idea who "Katherine" is -- my name is Roger.

Good lord dude, chill out. You're acting like the OP personally put a list together and published it on Yahoo, and this little ol' niche on the web. You clearly have anger and resentment issues. I hope you work on that, instead of lashing out at random people.

The OP was too lazy to personally put together a list. Instead, she grabbed someone else's work and started an entire thread based on the premise that the companies named in the list should be avoided for some reason.

Reacting to that makes me neither angry nor resentful. This is a discussion forum. I'm discussing. I didn't say "fuck you." I didn't call anyone a "lying cunt." That was someone else. And you think I have the anger issues?

Clearly, the direction this thread has taken has made you uncomfortable. I hope it results in you undertaking some personal circumspection. And that you avoid, in the future, condescending to others, especially when the "hope" you profess for others is really something you should consider for yourself.

Good day.

But calling someone anti-Semitic and other ad hominems is acceptable? I will forever never understand the hypocritical lack of self-awareness that many supposedly people of faith encompass.

Peace to you.

Calling someone anti-Semitic for refusing to patronize a Jewish establishment is not an ad hominem attack -- it is an accurate descriptor. I don't see any other ad-hominems lobbed, except for use of the word "shithead" which was only throwing the same term back in the pp's face.

[Anonymous]

I think OP and her ilk who would come to a forum like this and say these sorts of things are the same people who would go to Amish country and mock Amish people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Would you really not patronize a business because the founder was Christian or Jewish?

It's not about someone being religious, but what *kind* of religion they practice. There are a lot of tolerant, respectful religious people. There are also a lot of bigoted, homophobic, and misogynistic ones. I'd patron the former, but absolutely not the latter.

It's "patronize," not "patron." And yes, I am patronizing you when I write that.

If I have evidence that a business routinely or systematically practices discrimination against any group or even espouses bigotry by donating to groups that do so, I would not patronize that business. I don't support bigotry. But avoiding any business simply because of the owner's or founder's religious beliefs smacks of just that to me -- bigotry. Tolerance cuts both ways.

By the way, a family-owned chain that operates like In and Out does is a good thing. Read Fast Food Nation if you doubt that. I remember atheist friends refusing to go there because of the Bible verses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By that logic the only businesses that americans should frequent must have non religious leaders which means atheist or agnostic which is another religion.

And you are desperately needed here to spread the word that in your opinion, atheism and agnosticism is another religion

[takoma]

Anonymous wrote:And you are desperately needed here to spread the word that in your opinion, atheism and agnosticism is another religion

Can you tell me the rituals we follow, the services we go to, the holy (or unholy) books we base our (diverse) views on? I would not call belief in God a religion; Catholicism is a religion, Methodism, Judaism, Islam, Jainism, etc. Perhaps there are atheistic religions (Wiccan maybe?), but how do either atheism or agnosticism (let alone both together) qualify as a religion? At least as the word is understood by anyone other than PP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is your point in listing this? Do you think people shouldn't shop anywhere that has management who aren't atheist or agnostic?

If this about choosing to shop only at stores where people share your faith or lack thereof then really you need to list the faith/non faith beliefs of every owner/CEO. Also some of the people on the list are identified as having a faith and others as incorporating their faith and beliefs into their business. They are lumped together. Advocating for not patronizing a business simply because the owner doesn't share your faith is pretty discriminatory. As it is when people post lists of companies owned /run my Muslims.

You're missing the point. It's not just about companies that are religious, but what kinds of religious ideology that you're supporting, as a customer. I wouldn't support a homophobic and misogynistic company that justified their practices with religion (and most of the companies in that list do let ideology transcend into company policy). It doesn't matter if they're Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Ancient Egyptian, Mayan, or what label they call themselves.

Then create a list of companies that are misogynist or homophobic. I'll be right there with you boycotting Chick-Fil-A, but being religious isn't synonymous with bigotry. Painting all people of faith with a single brush, is unfair and disrespectful to the large numbers of religious people and organizations who believe in and advocate for equality.