Would You Support A Legacy Lottery?

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Anonymous wrote:My college I graduated way back in 1985 went full tilt D&I and international students after I graduated. I was offered chance to speak at a event there back in 2008 and was shocked at the 300 person event of students there was many at most 1-2 white people. And I say 50 percent of students English was a second language. It was a white Catholic College when I went there. It was tons of Muslims and Hindus and Chinese as well as international students Africa all over.

I went to campus one more time around 2018 and same thing. I recently went to an Alumni Event first time ever. It was 99 percent White or Back. But nearly all white Catholic. No one in room under 55. Turns out none of those international or D&I students give back they just want degree and move on.

They still have a strong donor base but will soon disapear. They have a very good basketball team. Wont say school but Chris Mullen type players are no longer on team. And the blonde cheerleaders of 1985 are now overweight international students.

I also attended St. John's University. I can confirm it's not a white utopia, which is apparently triggering for you.

Not so much the White. But Catholic, hence a lot of Whites as Italians and Irish are all Catholic. Very few Catholics go the school compared to past.

Other thing back in day from 1977 to 1986 (my older siblings and young sibling went there) you actually had rich kids from Garden City, Manhasset, Rockville Centre type neighborhoods attend. Today those parents who graduated St. John’s don’t send their kids to the school, I did not send my kids. I have no intention of donating to them. And I have undergrad and grad degree from them. Once the Vitamin Water billionaire stops writing them seven figure checks they will be in trouble. A school Ronald Regan visited who called it the next Harvard in 1985 - 41 years later is milking international students full tuition to give discounts to poor students. Except international students don’t donate and the selection of poor kids who barely spoke English with B averages from third tier high schools in Brooklyn, Queens are not going to be next Bill Gates donating billions

Georgetown and Villanova did not follow this stupid strategy.

This is why legacy is good in a way. It keeps quality up.

St. John’s is less than 5% international which kinda screws your hypothesis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No.

If colleges want to give admission to families that donate buildings, improve infastructure, renovate dorms, fund full rides for poor kids, or donate things like specialized expensive science equipment, bravo to them.

It is a small sacrifice with far more benefits to the student body as a whole, to give a spot to the kids of major donors, than any possible tiny negative of the perception from those rejected from the university that their kid's potential spot was "taken" by the offspring of a rich donor.

Dollar to dollar, the lifetime benefits to the university and the tens to hundreds of thousands of other kids at the university, of giving maybe1 to 3 spots over a 4 to 10 year window (depending on family size) every generation to the kids of big donors, is incredibly lopsided, with almost all of the benefits going to students who are not the donor's kids.

Anyone who is pushing for the elimination of legacy/donor preference in admissions is, at best, a petty and shortsighted fool.

It tanks the reputation of the schools and does long term damage. Yale itself has said as much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work in development at a university.

I think its kind of laughable that you people think that there are enough $200 million dollar donors (or anything over $1mill honestly) to make a difference to your precious snowflake's chances of admission. There are probably 100 kids/grandkids, in the country, who are "major donor" Dean's list consideration.

No but it hurts brand long term.

[Anonymous]

Quit trying to twist yourself into a pretzel, OP, to accommodate the rich, powerful, and connected. They already have plenty of legs up. Their kids can go to another college if those kids don't have the stats and skills to get in on merit. Tough

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Anonymous wrote:Quit trying to twist yourself into a pretzel, OP, to accommodate the rich, powerful, and connected. They already have plenty of legs up. Their kids can go to another college if those kids don't have the stats and skills to get in on merit. Tough

I think the OP stipulated that they would be at the 50% Mark on SAT and GPA.

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Anonymous wrote:No. No legacy preference period.

+1.

It is wild that we have a heritable preference for elite college admissions. This would cause riots in other countries.

Most Elite schools in the US are private. They should be able to admit whomever they please. Do what you want with Public schools.

Most private schools get federal funding and grants.
Most private schools can give their donors tax deductions because of 501(c) status that can be withdrawn if their policies are contrary to public policy.

The idea that a private institution cannot favor the offspring of members without threatening and bullying is exactly the type of over the top outrage that resulted in our current political situation. It is ridiculous and frankly childish.

"The Government should take over the admissions process at the greatest schools in the world. Government control always works out for the best and results in superior long term outcomes."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work in development at a university.

I think its kind of laughable that you people think that there are enough $200 million dollar donors (or anything over $1mill honestly) to make a difference to your precious snowflake's chances of admission. There are probably 100 kids/grandkids, in the country, who are "major donor" Dean's list consideration.

No but it hurts brand long term.

These schools have been around longer than the country itself.