Can someone break down AAP and wtf it means moving out of ES

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Anonymous wrote:In middle school centers the full-time aap kids are segregated into full time aap only classes
Non center middle school they mix with the kids who choose honors.
It does seem to be mostly the same thing....but with the segregation....

Anyone understand why they are separated in MS? If Honors and AAP are the same, why not mix??

Haven't been able to figure it out yet, same teachers, same Schoology folders, same teaching materials and homework and tests...

It is not the same material or tests at our school.

Our MS has AAP and Honors. Material, homework, tests, etc are the same. Teachers have told me it's the same curriculum, no difference. So.... why segregate?

You’re confused bc they’re lying. It’s not the same material. If it were, they’d combine the classes, it makes no sense otherwise.

Within the same team it is absolutely the same..
At least at our center. Otherwise the teachers would maintain different Schoology folders for aap and honors, but they don't... IT'S THE SAME...just segregated

In AAP the pacing is faster and the curriculum goes more in depth.

Honestly, if they weren't similar the kids would stay segregated in highschool too since they would have been taught soooooo much more

In our center MS there is only honors and AAP offered, so honors is inevitably going to move at a slower pace and cover topics in less depth since there’s really no other track offered for the kids who can’t and/or don’t want to work at that AAP pace. In high school, students can choose general track, honors and/or AP courses. Yes, there are many honors kids who can work at AAP pace in MS, but that’s a separate matter altogether. I have no idea why they chose to organize it this way. In high school the honors/AP course selection tends to more appropriately sort the students into the programming rigor they can handle.

You're flat out wrong here. All middle schools offer regular, honors, and AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:In middle school centers the full-time aap kids are segregated into full time aap only classes
Non center middle school they mix with the kids who choose honors.
It does seem to be mostly the same thing....but with the segregation....

Anyone understand why they are separated in MS? If Honors and AAP are the same, why not mix??

Haven't been able to figure it out yet, same teachers, same Schoology folders, same teaching materials and homework and tests...

It is not the same material or tests at our school.

Our MS has AAP and Honors. Material, homework, tests, etc are the same. Teachers have told me it's the same curriculum, no difference. So.... why segregate?

You’re confused bc they’re lying. It’s not the same material. If it were, they’d combine the classes, it makes no sense otherwise.

Within the same team it is absolutely the same..
At least at our center. Otherwise the teachers would maintain different Schoology folders for aap and honors, but they don't... IT'S THE SAME...just segregated

In AAP the pacing is faster and the curriculum goes more in depth.

Honestly, if they weren't similar the kids would stay segregated in highschool too since they would have been taught soooooo much more

In our center MS there is only honors and AAP offered, so honors is inevitably going to move at a slower pace and cover topics in less depth since there’s really no other track offered for the kids who can’t and/or don’t want to work at that AAP pace. In high school, students can choose general track, honors and/or AP courses. Yes, there are many honors kids who can work at AAP pace in MS, but that’s a separate matter altogether. I have no idea why they chose to organize it this way. In high school the honors/AP course selection tends to more appropriately sort the students into the programming rigor they can handle.

You're flat out wrong here. All middle schools offer regular, honors, and AAP.

No, you are wrong. Some schools offer regular and honors, no AAP because they don’t have enough kids for the AAP cohort. Some schools only offer honors and AAP, regular is offered but only for kids who are behind in grade level and it is not advertised. Some schools offer all three, like the Centers do.

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AAP has honestly been pretty mismanaged over the years, and a lot of advanced students have ended up affected by it. The 6th grade Algebra 1 pathway is one attempt to address that. Thankfully, FCPS is giving the option if parents who dreaded math themselves feel it may not be the right fit for their student too

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Anonymous wrote:In middle school centers the full-time aap kids are segregated into full time aap only classes
Non center middle school they mix with the kids who choose honors.
It does seem to be mostly the same thing....but with the segregation....

Anyone understand why they are separated in MS? If Honors and AAP are the same, why not mix??

Because there not the same, regardless of what a lot of people want to believe. My kid in AAP at Carson completed projects and read an extra book that his friends in Honors did not do.

Honors is open to all students who want to take honors classes. There are kids who are better suited to regular classes who are in honors classes because the regular classes tend to be too slow and there are too many students in them that are disruptive. I know kids who asked to move into honors and earned C's and B-s instead of the A in the regular class because the regular classes were too slow and too disruptive. These are kids at Carson and then SLHS. The teacher for Honors is teaching kids who are a better fit for the regular class, if it was taught at the level it should be taught at, and honors students. The class has a far wider spread of abilities and needs. The AAP classes, regardless of how the kids got into them, has far more kids who belong in honors so the teachers can teach the honors level material and potentially offer extensions to the students.

There are 100% some honors classes that are on par with the AAP classes but there are plenty that cannot offer the same material. It is more of a mixed bag.

There are schools that don't offer AAP classes, because they don't have enough AAP students to offer specialized sections. Normally this is because more of the AAP kids choose the Center over the base school. Because the classes are mixed, parents will choose to send their kid to the Center. These tend to be the schools were 7th graders in Algebra 1 end up in class with 8th graders and there might not be enough kids to handle a Geometry class in 8th grade.

Any parent who actually knows this needs to get a life, LOL.

I have a child in Honors at Carson, it's the exact same curriculum as AAP. Confirmed by two teachers of two different subjects who teach all three levels of the class. Gen Ed is easier, they get to use notes for tests, don't have as many projects, etc, but the H and AAP curricula are the same.

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Anonymous wrote:In middle school centers the full-time aap kids are segregated into full time aap only classes
Non center middle school they mix with the kids who choose honors.
It does seem to be mostly the same thing....but with the segregation....

Anyone understand why they are separated in MS? If Honors and AAP are the same, why not mix??

Haven't been able to figure it out yet, same teachers, same Schoology folders, same teaching materials and homework and tests...

It is not the same material or tests at our school.

Our MS has AAP and Honors. Material, homework, tests, etc are the same. Teachers have told me it's the same curriculum, no difference. So.... why segregate?

You’re confused bc they’re lying. It’s not the same material. If it were, they’d combine the classes, it makes no sense otherwise.

Within the same team it is absolutely the same..
At least at our center. Otherwise the teachers would maintain different Schoology folders for aap and honors, but they don't... IT'S THE SAME...just segregated

In AAP the pacing is faster and the curriculum goes more in depth.

Honestly, if they weren't similar the kids would stay segregated in highschool too since they would have been taught soooooo much more

In our center MS there is only honors and AAP offered, so honors is inevitably going to move at a slower pace and cover topics in less depth since there’s really no other track offered for the kids who can’t and/or don’t want to work at that AAP pace. In high school, students can choose general track, honors and/or AP courses. Yes, there are many honors kids who can work at AAP pace in MS, but that’s a separate matter altogether. I have no idea why they chose to organize it this way. In high school the honors/AP course selection tends to more appropriately sort the students into the programming rigor they can handle.

You're flat out wrong here. All middle schools offer regular, honors, and AAP.

No, you are wrong. Some schools offer regular and honors, no AAP because they don’t have enough kids for the AAP cohort. Some schools only offer honors and AAP, regular is offered but only for kids who are behind in grade level and it is not advertised. Some schools offer all three, like the Centers do.

You are correct, but my point was that there is no center school that does not offer general ed classes like the first PP stated. Center MSes have to offer all three.

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Anonymous wrote:In middle school centers the full-time aap kids are segregated into full time aap only classes
Non center middle school they mix with the kids who choose honors.
It does seem to be mostly the same thing....but with the segregation....

Anyone understand why they are separated in MS? If Honors and AAP are the same, why not mix??

Haven't been able to figure it out yet, same teachers, same Schoology folders, same teaching materials and homework and tests...

It is not the same material or tests at our school.

Our MS has AAP and Honors. Material, homework, tests, etc are the same. Teachers have told me it's the same curriculum, no difference. So.... why segregate?

You’re confused bc they’re lying. It’s not the same material. If it were, they’d combine the classes, it makes no sense otherwise.

Within the same team it is absolutely the same..
At least at our center. Otherwise the teachers would maintain different Schoology folders for aap and honors, but they don't... IT'S THE SAME...just segregated

In AAP the pacing is faster and the curriculum goes more in depth.

Honestly, if they weren't similar the kids would stay segregated in highschool too since they would have been taught soooooo much more

In our center MS there is only honors and AAP offered, so honors is inevitably going to move at a slower pace and cover topics in less depth since there’s really no other track offered for the kids who can’t and/or don’t want to work at that AAP pace. In high school, students can choose general track, honors and/or AP courses. Yes, there are many honors kids who can work at AAP pace in MS, but that’s a separate matter altogether. I have no idea why they chose to organize it this way. In high school the honors/AP course selection tends to more appropriately sort the students into the programming rigor they can handle.

You're flat out wrong here. All middle schools offer regular, honors, and AAP.

No, you are wrong. Some schools offer regular and honors, no AAP because they don’t have enough kids for the AAP cohort. Some schools only offer honors and AAP, regular is offered but only for kids who are behind in grade level and it is not advertised. Some schools offer all three, like the Centers do.

You are correct, but my point was that there is no center school that does not offer general ed classes like the first PP stated. Center MSes have to offer all three.

I guess the general education track at our school is a well-kept secret. Our center school claims to be “All Honors, which means that all teachers and classes
access Critical and Creative Thinking strategies and opportunities for
advanced rigor.”

The course selection sheet says:
All students are automatically enrolled in English HN, Science HN, Civics HN, and Health & PE.

All students eligible for the Advanced Academic Programs (AAP) are automatically enrolled in English AA, Science AA, & Civics AA.

If there is general education track, it is not advertised on the curriculum slideshow nor is it an option on course selection forms.

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Anonymous wrote:In middle school centers the full-time aap kids are segregated into full time aap only classes
Non center middle school they mix with the kids who choose honors.
It does seem to be mostly the same thing....but with the segregation....

Anyone understand why they are separated in MS? If Honors and AAP are the same, why not mix??

Because there not the same, regardless of what a lot of people want to believe. My kid in AAP at Carson completed projects and read an extra book that his friends in Honors did not do.

Honors is open to all students who want to take honors classes. There are kids who are better suited to regular classes who are in honors classes because the regular classes tend to be too slow and there are too many students in them that are disruptive. I know kids who asked to move into honors and earned C's and B-s instead of the A in the regular class because the regular classes were too slow and too disruptive. These are kids at Carson and then SLHS. The teacher for Honors is teaching kids who are a better fit for the regular class, if it was taught at the level it should be taught at, and honors students. The class has a far wider spread of abilities and needs. The AAP classes, regardless of how the kids got into them, has far more kids who belong in honors so the teachers can teach the honors level material and potentially offer extensions to the students.

There are 100% some honors classes that are on par with the AAP classes but there are plenty that cannot offer the same material. It is more of a mixed bag.

There are schools that don't offer AAP classes, because they don't have enough AAP students to offer specialized sections. Normally this is because more of the AAP kids choose the Center over the base school. Because the classes are mixed, parents will choose to send their kid to the Center. These tend to be the schools were 7th graders in Algebra 1 end up in class with 8th graders and there might not be enough kids to handle a Geometry class in 8th grade.

Any parent who actually knows this needs to get a life, LOL.

I have a child in Honors at Carson, it's the exact same curriculum as AAP. Confirmed by two teachers of two different subjects who teach all three levels of the class. Gen Ed is easier, they get to use notes for tests, don't have as many projects, etc, but the H and AAP curricula are the same.

They say that and yet my AAP kid read an additional book that his friends in honors didn’t read.

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Anonymous wrote:Watch re: the advising coming out of middle school. A straight A student in Honors may be counseled differently, re: choosing HS classes for 9th, than a straight A student coming out of AAP. Sure, listen to their suggestions, but make your own decisions.

Thank you for this. The same was 100% true re the advising coming out of elementary school. We ignored and took all honors, and I can say without a doubt that it hasn't been too hard.