Pomona v Occidental

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pitzer doesn't need to give merit aid because Pitzer is much more desirable than Occidental (35% vs 17% yield).

Pitzer is a pay to play school. The kids are disinterested losers, wealthy, will do fine in life, but losers, if that's not what your kid is looking for, keep looking. -DP

Bless your heart.

Meanwhile, in the real world, my kid chose Pitzer because of the focus on environmental studies, majored in that (“Environmental analysis” at Pitzer) and got into 6 of 7 top 10 grad schools he applied to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pitzer doesn't need to give merit aid because Pitzer is much more desirable than Occidental (35% vs 17% yield).

Pitzer is a pay to play school. The kids are disinterested losers, wealthy, will do fine in life, but losers, if that's not what your kid is looking for, keep looking. -DP

Bless your heart.

Meanwhile, in the real world, my kid chose Pitzer because of the focus on environmental studies, majored in that (“Environmental analysis” at Pitzer) and got into 6 of 7 top 10 grad schools he applied to.

But you’re full pay, and one day you’ll help him buy the house he’ll never be able to afford. Pitzer is a good school, and small schools over-perform in grad placement, but Pitzer targets wealthy families, unlike Pomona.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pomona is very well known and respected here in our area in Southern CA. I think it's an amazing school, although DC didn't apply and is headed to the East Coast.

I will say - everyone always talks about how impossible it is to get into Pomona but our high school has an admit or two each year. This year two. And we're not at a particularly fancy school. A pretty good, well-regarded public school in So Cal. Is it not as hard as it seems? We have a fair number of students headed to Ivy and Top 20 schools.

It’s much easier in California, because they target students from California. It’s a long term plan for the college now that international dollars are drying up

Please back up your claim with actual data.

Here's a verifiable fact: Pomona has the fewest percentage of Californian students of any college in California, including Stanford. My theory is that Pomona (and other California schools) receives a disproportionate number of apps from Californian students who, shocker, want to stay in California. I'd wager that that it's actually a disadvantage to apply to Pomona from California because Pomona works hard to maintain geographical balance. I'd also bet that the belief that Pomona favors Californian is pure copium from entitled DMV residents who don't fully grasp how competitive colleges admissions are these days.

I don't think that's true. Pomona is 30% Californian. Please show a cite for this. https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/pomona-college/student-life/diversity/#overview

Why not look up all the rest of the schools? Stanford, UCLA, USC, all the other 4Cs, Occidental, Pepperdine are all in the near 40-50% range. or more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not remotely comparable. Pomona is the better school.

+1 Not even a close question.

+100.

[Anonymous]

There is a quite a difference in gender balance between the two. I think Oxy is over 60% women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pomona is very well known and respected here in our area in Southern CA. I think it's an amazing school, although DC didn't apply and is headed to the East Coast.

I will say - everyone always talks about how impossible it is to get into Pomona but our high school has an admit or two each year. This year two. And we're not at a particularly fancy school. A pretty good, well-regarded public school in So Cal. Is it not as hard as it seems? We have a fair number of students headed to Ivy and Top 20 schools.

It’s much easier in California, because they target students from California. It’s a long term plan for the college now that international dollars are drying up

Please back up your claim with actual data.

Here's a verifiable fact: Pomona has the fewest percentage of Californian students of any college in California, including Stanford. My theory is that Pomona (and other California schools) receives a disproportionate number of apps from Californian students who, shocker, want to stay in California. I'd wager that that it's actually a disadvantage to apply to Pomona from California because Pomona works hard to maintain geographical balance. I'd also bet that the belief that Pomona favors Californian is pure copium from entitled DMV residents who don't fully grasp how competitive colleges admissions are these days.

I don't think that's true. Pomona is 30% Californian. Please show a cite for this. https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/pomona-college/student-life/diversity/#overview

Why not look up all the rest of the schools? Stanford, UCLA, USC, all the other 4Cs, Occidental, Pepperdine are all in the near 40-50% range. or more.

It used to be the lowest for years but I think Caltech now has the lowest in-state percent. Pomona is #2. No official source, just looking at the CDS for various top schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pomona is very well known and respected here in our area in Southern CA. I think it's an amazing school, although DC didn't apply and is headed to the East Coast.

I will say - everyone always talks about how impossible it is to get into Pomona but our high school has an admit or two each year. This year two. And we're not at a particularly fancy school. A pretty good, well-regarded public school in So Cal. Is it not as hard as it seems? We have a fair number of students headed to Ivy and Top 20 schools.

It’s much easier in California, because they target students from California. It’s a long term plan for the college now that international dollars are drying up

Please back up your claim with actual data.

Here's a verifiable fact: Pomona has the fewest percentage of Californian students of any college in California, including Stanford. My theory is that Pomona (and other California schools) receives a disproportionate number of apps from Californian students who, shocker, want to stay in California. I'd wager that that it's actually a disadvantage to apply to Pomona from California because Pomona works hard to maintain geographical balance. I'd also bet that the belief that Pomona favors Californian is pure copium from entitled DMV residents who don't fully grasp how competitive colleges admissions are these days.

I don't think that's true. Pomona is 30% Californian. Please show a cite for this. https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/pomona-college/student-life/diversity/#overview

Why not look up all the rest of the schools? Stanford, UCLA, USC, all the other 4Cs, Occidental, Pepperdine are all in the near 40-50% range. or more.

It used to be the lowest for years but I think Caltech now has the lowest in-state percent. Pomona is #2. No official source, just looking at the CDS for various top schools.

This seems very nitpicky

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pomona is much harder to get into and has a much better reputation.

Of course, Pomona has a better reputation than Occidental. Pomona is ranked no. 7 in National Liberal Arts Colleges by USNW; Oxy is at 35.

Let’s look at statistics: Oxy’s selectivity (what percent of applications is accepted) is 44%. Pomona’s Selectivity is 7.4%.
Pomona’s yield is 49.89% (the number of accepted students who actually enroll); Oxy’s yield is only 13.01%, based on IvyWise just two days ago. Clearly, Oxy is a safety school for most applicants.

Also, according to Ivy Wise, Oxy’s yield is dropping year by year: in 2029, the yield was only 13.01%; in 2028, it was 17.83%; in 2027, it was 20.29%.

Oxy’s SAT average is a 1380-1520; ACT 32-34
Pomona’s SAT average is 1490-1560; ACT average 33-35.

Then there are the missions of the two schools. If you want your kid to be employed as a SJW after graduation, Oxy is your choice. If you want your kid to get into difficult grad schools to get into, it’s Pomona.

IMHO as a graduate of Oxy, you could do better. Oxy was once on the same level as Pomona and Stanford. It is no longer. If you want your kid to be hired into the workforce as a SJWarrior/DEI/social engineering work, then Oxy is your choice. If you want top education to get into top grad schools, you go to Pomona.

Yes, as someone above said, you can get merit at Oxy, but that’s only because it had a catastrophic 15% reduction in last year’s class (I have no idea how that couldn’t have been filled by waitlist – I guess the applicants were that poor). You can find this by googling Occidental College Tom Stritikus 15% enrollment). So right after the President’s announcement of the 15% reduction in class size, there was the usual “send money to Oxy" campaign; professors were told not to engage in expensive career-building activities; faculty openings were not filled, and a specialist was hired for admissions. That specialist decided that to boost yield numbers, Oxy would grant $15K “Oxy commitment scholarships” to anyone who would sign on the line.

Why does Oxy have the 15% reduction in class enrollment? Because it did a lousy job of protecting Jewish students at Occidental. This started under the Biden administration, which sued (DOJ, civil rights, US Dept of Education, Brandeis Center) for failure to protect the Jewish students' civil rights under Title VI. Oxy settled in fall of 2024 but recently was accused of breaching that agreement by Harmeet Dhillon’s deputy because Oxy allowed yet another encampment on grounds. Over 15 Jewish students have had to leave Oxy since Oct. 7, according to the parents’ groups on Facebook. The most recent was a full scholarship kid from Israel who transferred to USC.

The point is that the word is out that Oxy is not a good place for Jewish students, just like Columbia and Harvard.
Why does Oxy have a 15% reduction in class enrollment? Because it did a lousy job of protecting Jewish students at Occidental. This started under the Biden administration, which sued (DOJ, Civil Rights Division, US Dept of Education, Brandeis Center) for failure to protect the Jewish students’ civil rights under Title VI. Oxy settled in the fall of 2024 but recently was accused of breaching that agreement by Harmeet Dhillon’s deputy because Oxy allowed yet another encampment on private grounds, mostly by private Hamas agents.

Over 15 Jewish students have had to leave Oxy since Oct. 7 according to the parents’ anti-semitism groups on Facebook. The most recent was a full scholarship kid from Israel who transferred to USC.

You can find this all online - facebook, instagram, X.

The point is that the word is out that Oxy is not a good place for Jewish students, just like Columbia and Harvard.
FWIW, the only other college I know of that had a 15% fall in enrollment closed last month.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pitzer doesn't need to give merit aid because Pitzer is much more desirable than Occidental (35% vs 17% yield).

Pitzer is a pay to play school. The kids are disinterested losers, wealthy, will do fine in life, but losers, if that's not what your kid is looking for, keep looking. -DP

Bless your heart.

Meanwhile, in the real world, my kid chose Pitzer because of the focus on environmental studies, majored in that (“Environmental analysis” at Pitzer) and got into 6 of 7 top 10 grad schools he applied to.

But you’re full pay, and one day you’ll help him buy the house he’ll never be able to afford. Pitzer is a good school, and small schools over-perform in grad placement, but Pitzer targets wealthy families, unlike Pomona.

Nice little fantasy but not one grounded in reality.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/pomona-college

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pomona is much harder to get into and has a much better reputation.

Of course, Pomona has a better reputation than Occidental. Pomona is ranked no. 7 in National Liberal Arts Colleges by USNW; Oxy is at 35.

Let’s look at statistics: Oxy’s selectivity (what percent of applications is accepted) is 44%. Pomona’s Selectivity is 7.4%.
Pomona’s yield is 49.89% (the number of accepted students who actually enroll); Oxy’s yield is only 13.01%, based on IvyWise just two days ago. Clearly, Oxy is a safety school for most applicants.

Also, according to Ivy Wise, Oxy’s yield is dropping year by year: in 2029, the yield was only 13.01%; in 2028, it was 17.83%; in 2027, it was 20.29%.

Oxy’s SAT average is a 1380-1520; ACT 32-34
Pomona’s SAT average is 1490-1560; ACT average 33-35.

Then there are the missions of the two schools. If you want your kid to be employed as a SJW after graduation, Oxy is your choice. If you want your kid to get into difficult grad schools to get into, it’s Pomona.

IMHO as a graduate of Oxy, you could do better. Oxy was once on the same level as Pomona and Stanford. It is no longer. If you want your kid to be hired into the workforce as a SJWarrior/DEI/social engineering work, then Oxy is your choice. If you want top education to get into top grad schools, you go to Pomona.

Yes, as someone above said, you can get merit at Oxy, but that’s only because it had a catastrophic 15% reduction in last year’s class (I have no idea how that couldn’t have been filled by waitlist – I guess the applicants were that poor). You can find this by googling Occidental College Tom Stritikus 15% enrollment). So right after the President’s announcement of the 15% reduction in class size, there was the usual “send money to Oxy" campaign; professors were told not to engage in expensive career-building activities; faculty openings were not filled, and a specialist was hired for admissions. That specialist decided that to boost yield numbers, Oxy would grant $15K “Oxy commitment scholarships” to anyone who would sign on the line.

Why does Oxy have the 15% reduction in class enrollment? Because it did a lousy job of protecting Jewish students at Occidental. This started under the Biden administration, which sued (DOJ, civil rights, US Dept of Education, Brandeis Center) for failure to protect the Jewish students' civil rights under Title VI. Oxy settled in fall of 2024 but recently was accused of breaching that agreement by Harmeet Dhillon’s deputy because Oxy allowed yet another encampment on grounds. Over 15 Jewish students have had to leave Oxy since Oct. 7, according to the parents’ groups on Facebook. The most recent was a full scholarship kid from Israel who transferred to USC.

The point is that the word is out that Oxy is not a good place for Jewish students, just like Columbia and Harvard.
Why does Oxy have a 15% reduction in class enrollment? Because it did a lousy job of protecting Jewish students at Occidental. This started under the Biden administration, which sued (DOJ, Civil Rights Division, US Dept of Education, Brandeis Center) for failure to protect the Jewish students’ civil rights under Title VI. Oxy settled in the fall of 2024 but recently was accused of breaching that agreement by Harmeet Dhillon’s deputy because Oxy allowed yet another encampment on private grounds, mostly by private Hamas agents.

Over 15 Jewish students have had to leave Oxy since Oct. 7 according to the parents’ anti-semitism groups on Facebook. The most recent was a full scholarship kid from Israel who transferred to USC.

You can find this all online - facebook, instagram, X.

The point is that the word is out that Oxy is not a good place for Jewish students, just like Columbia and Harvard.
FWIW, the only other college I know of that had a 15% fall in enrollment closed last month.

So a rich kid with no real problems that just wanted to go to a bigger school.

[Anonymous]

Occidental has under 7% Jewish students so the story that a 15% drop in enrollment is due to the “word being out” among Jews doesn’t make any sense.

— Jewish parent who is fine with students protesting Israel’s action in Gaza.

[Anonymous]

Here come the annoying posts that someone disagrees with Zionism so the world must end

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Occidental has under 7% Jewish students so the story that a 15% drop in enrollment is due to the “word being out” among Jews doesn’t make any sense.

— Jewish parent who is fine with students protesting Israel’s action in Gaza.

Exactly. The math on PP's rant isn't mathing.

Also, there are some very smart kids at Oxy who have a great experience (beautiful school in a bubble with easy access to LA) and get jobs and internships, helped by their very well-connected alumni.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Occidental has under 7% Jewish students so the story that a 15% drop in enrollment is due to the “word being out” among Jews doesn’t make any sense.

— Jewish parent who is fine with students protesting Israel’s action in Gaza.

that is not how math works; students other than jewish students are also reassessing the SJW / DEI climate at Occidental and enrolling elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pitzer doesn't need to give merit aid because Pitzer is much more desirable than Occidental (35% vs 17% yield).

Pitzer is a pay to play school. The kids are disinterested losers, wealthy, will do fine in life, but losers, if that's not what your kid is looking for, keep looking. -DP

Bless your heart.

Meanwhile, in the real world, my kid chose Pitzer because of the focus on environmental studies, majored in that (“Environmental analysis” at Pitzer) and got into 6 of 7 top 10 grad schools he applied to.

But you’re full pay, and one day you’ll help him buy the house he’ll never be able to afford. Pitzer is a good school, and small schools over-perform in grad placement, but Pitzer targets wealthy families, unlike Pomona.

So weird on this forum how people just make up stories about other posters to support their ideas rather then forming ideas based on actual, real-world facts.