top sports/weather trumps academics?

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Anonymous wrote:Duke has more in common with HYP and probably Dartmouth and Notre Dame. Duke has a large Catholic population. Don’t see much in common with Brown, Columbia etc.

Not HYP, have you been recently? Agreed on Dartmouth and Notre Dame.

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Duke draws from moderate poltical families with multi-generational wealth that are not obsessed with trying to social climb.

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Anonymous wrote:Duke draws from moderate poltical families with multi-generational wealth that are not obsessed with trying to social climb.

You think there is no “old money” at the Ivies? This thread has some of the stupidest posts.

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It’s funny how most start paying attention to college outcomes around sophomore year and then you meet a handful of your kids friends once they attend, and that limited information qualifies people to make these sweeping claims about who is attracted to xyz school. You see what you want to see.

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Anonymous wrote:crazy the shift at my DCs private in terms of priorities. Seems like a palpable shift from DCs older sister, where her friend group all wanted ivies or bust. DC friend group seems to prioritize the “experience” and a fun good weather vibe. I guess I shouldn’t be shocked, but Duke and Vandy out in front of every school save HYPSM in terms of interest. Vandy resurgence in football and basketball not hurting - just flipped on espn and party scene at SEC bball finals in Nashville, Vandy kids living the life according to my DC. sigh

So you don’t think Duke and Vandy offer strong academics?

Right? I would put Duke and Vandy in the same category as Ivy academics when compared to actual SEC flagship schools like Alabama (which also have their own value.) The distinction is small in the broader picture.

Dp, Duke and Vandy aren’t peers. Vandy on the same level as Wash U and Emory, Duke as Hopkins, NW, Chicago.

They are all peers, they are all peers with any of the Ivies as well. The constant attempts at granular slicing and ranking are nonsensical yet you persist.

That’s rich, I wasn’t the one who started this thread. Sorry if it makes you sad, Vandy mom, but the majority of the world doesn’t see Vandy as a peer to the Ivies or Duke. It’s still a very good school as is Wash U, Emory, Georgetown, etc . . ,

Vandy mom? You couldn't pay me to attend school in the South. But, your desperate shilling for Duke highlights your insecurities. That said all of the nonsensical slicing and dicing is just ridiculous. My previous post stands, there are at least 20 universities and a dozen SLACs which are indistinguishable for undergraduate education and to try and rank them in an exercise in futility and stupidity.

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Anonymous wrote:crazy the shift at my DCs private in terms of priorities. Seems like a palpable shift from DCs older sister, where her friend group all wanted ivies or bust. DC friend group seems to prioritize the “experience” and a fun good weather vibe. I guess I shouldn’t be shocked, but Duke and Vandy out in front of every school save HYPSM in terms of interest. Vandy resurgence in football and basketball not hurting - just flipped on espn and party scene at SEC bball finals in Nashville, Vandy kids living the life according to my DC. sigh

So you don’t think Duke and Vandy offer strong academics?

Right? I would put Duke and Vandy in the same category as Ivy academics when compared to actual SEC flagship schools like Alabama (which also have their own value.) The distinction is small in the broader picture.

Dp, Duke and Vandy aren’t peers. Vandy on the same level as Wash U and Emory, Duke as Hopkins, NW, Chicago.

They are all peers, they are all peers with any of the Ivies as well. The constant attempts at granular slicing and ranking are nonsensical yet you persist.

That’s rich, I wasn’t the one who started this thread. Sorry if it makes you sad, Vandy mom, but the majority of the world doesn’t see Vandy as a peer to the Ivies or Duke. It’s still a very good school as is Wash U, Emory, Georgetown, etc . . ,

Vandy mom? You couldn't pay me to attend school in the South. But, your desperate shilling for Duke highlights your insecurities. That said all of the nonsensical slicing and dicing is just ridiculous. My previous post stands, there are at least 20 universities and a dozen SLACs which are indistinguishable for undergraduate education and to try and rank them in an exercise in futility and stupidity.

I’m not shilling for Duke, I have literally no connection to it but it objectively gets far more apps and enrollment from our private than Vandy and has been ranked in the T10 for three plus decades.

It’s also quite funny that you are trying to argue that rankings don’t matter while repeatedly trying to put Vandy in the top tier of universities. Perhaps you aren’t bright enough to realize how obvious this is.

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Anonymous wrote:crazy the shift at my DCs private in terms of priorities. Seems like a palpable shift from DCs older sister, where her friend group all wanted ivies or bust. DC friend group seems to prioritize the “experience” and a fun good weather vibe. I guess I shouldn’t be shocked, but Duke and Vandy out in front of every school save HYPSM in terms of interest. Vandy resurgence in football and basketball not hurting - just flipped on espn and party scene at SEC bball finals in Nashville, Vandy kids living the life according to my DC. sigh

So you don’t think Duke and Vandy offer strong academics?

Right? I would put Duke and Vandy in the same category as Ivy academics when compared to actual SEC flagship schools like Alabama (which also have their own value.) The distinction is small in the broader picture.

Dp, Duke and Vandy aren’t peers. Vandy on the same level as Wash U and Emory, Duke as Hopkins, NW, Chicago.

They are all peers, they are all peers with any of the Ivies as well. The constant attempts at granular slicing and ranking are nonsensical yet you persist.

That’s rich, I wasn’t the one who started this thread. Sorry if it makes you sad, Vandy mom, but the majority of the world doesn’t see Vandy as a peer to the Ivies or Duke. It’s still a very good school as is Wash U, Emory, Georgetown, etc . . ,

Vandy mom? You couldn't pay me to attend school in the South. But, your desperate shilling for Duke highlights your insecurities. That said all of the nonsensical slicing and dicing is just ridiculous. My previous post stands, there are at least 20 universities and a dozen SLACs which are indistinguishable for undergraduate education and to try and rank them in an exercise in futility and stupidity.

So only your subjective ranking natters? Again the stupidity in this thread is overwhelming.

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Of the following six schools -Harvard, Dartmouth, Columbia Duke. Cornell and Vandy. Only Vandy has a yield below 60 percent. Vandy also is the only one of these schools to have ED2, which inflates yield.

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Vandy also is the only one that lets in 200 plus transfers every fall.

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Anonymous wrote:Of the following six schools -Harvard, Dartmouth, Columbia Duke. Cornell and Vandy. Only Vandy has a yield below 60 percent. Vandy also is the only one of these schools to have ED2, which inflates yield.

Any school with ED2 is not in the most selective tier. Any.

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Anonymous wrote:Vandy and Duke academics are just as good as Ivy so a no brainer.

I agree with your comments on the academics. There are many schools with undergraduate academics just as strong as the Ivies.

However, the increased interest in the Southern schools isn't happening at the expense of elite NE schools. This is easy to see because applications at top NE schools aren't dropping in any significant manner as the applications to the Southern schools goes up. and, those getting into elite NE schools are far more likely to choose them over Southern schools. It is nice to see Vandy, Rice, and Duke get the recognition that they deserve but to think that they are in any way being favored relative to top NE schools is naive.

How “top” though? MIT and Yale, you’re probably right. Tufts, Cornell and Dartmouth? I respectfully disagree.

My n of 1 sample size — my kid — picked Vandy over Columbia. They do not regret this choice and are taking advantage of the excellent academic experience AND greek life and the fun music/ bar/party culture of Nashville

I agree with this. I have two kids that made similar choices. I don't think many students are saying no to MIT, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, or Princeton. But it's not a surprise that a lot of students prefer the southern alternatives to the Ivies. No one is giving up anything by choosing Duke, Vandy, or Rice over Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell, Brown, or Penn. And sports and weather may very well be part of the calculation.

Is it common consensus that Rice is as good as Penn, Brown or Cornell when it comes to quality of education (academics) and campus experience? How about compared to Chicago and Northwestern?

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Anonymous wrote:Of the following six schools -Harvard, Dartmouth, Columbia Duke. Cornell and Vandy. Only Vandy has a yield below 60 percent. Vandy also is the only one of these schools to have ED2, which inflates yield.

Any school with ED2 is not in the most selective tier. Any.

Chicago has ED2 and would be most selective so your argument doesn't work

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Anonymous wrote:Of the following six schools -Harvard, Dartmouth, Columbia Duke. Cornell and Vandy. Only Vandy has a yield below 60 percent. Vandy also is the only one of these schools to have ED2, which inflates yield.

Any school with ED2 is not in the most selective tier. Any.

Chicago has ED2 and would be most selective so your argument doesn't work

Not the pp, but Chicago claims a yield rate of 80 percent. Vandy isn't getting much juice out of having an extra ED with respect to yield, or just has a pretty low yield rate for RD, suggesting most applicants don't prefer it to higher ranked schools.

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Anonymous wrote:from our NY HS, Duke is a really hard admit, you have to ED there.

the only kid from my daughter's crowd that isn't happy is at Vandy. what makes Vandy great for some kids makes it not great for others. the social scene leans very heavily to the blonde Greek life. which she is. but then of course it sorts those kids even within that group. that's not for everyone.

Same at our private. The Vandy social scene is cutthroat. Great if blonde and country club butif not, then it sux.

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Anonymous wrote:Of the following six schools -Harvard, Dartmouth, Columbia Duke. Cornell and Vandy. Only Vandy has a yield below 60 percent. Vandy also is the only one of these schools to have ED2, which inflates yield.

Any school with ED2 is not in the most selective tier. Any.

Chicago has ED2 and would be most selective so your argument doesn't work

Definitely still works. At our private, kids apply TO to Chicago and get in - droves. They love our HS. non-DMV.
Also look at HW.