Low-ish GPA/High-ish SAT success stories for male in RD?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

What in your view is the line for HYMPS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

It's not the numbers that hold you back.
3.7 from a rigorous private passes the bar.

It's other things that hold you back. Recommendation is going to be different for a 3.7 kid v a 3.9 kid.
ECs? 3.7 kid is less motivated to do amazing ECs compared to 3.9 kid.
Essays? same.

Correlation vs Causation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

It's not the numbers that hold you back.
3.7 from a rigorous private passes the bar.

It's other things that hold you back. Recommendation is going to be different for a 3.7 kid v a 3.9 kid.
ECs? 3.7 kid is less motivated to do amazing ECs compared to 3.9 kid.
Essays? same.

Correlation vs Causation.

What you’re saying is irrelevant though, if it’s clear from the data that no student with below a 3.8 ever gets in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

It's not the numbers that hold you back.
3.7 from a rigorous private passes the bar.

It's other things that hold you back. Recommendation is going to be different for a 3.7 kid v a 3.9 kid.
ECs? 3.7 kid is less motivated to do amazing ECs compared to 3.9 kid.
Essays? same.

Correlation vs Causation.

What you’re saying is irrelevant though, if it’s clear from the data that no student with below a 3.8 ever gets in.

It's a vicious cycle at your school. Every one is watching "very, very closely". Everyone is observing this imaginary "line".
Guess what? No one is applying with 3.7 anymore, and that "line" will stay there forever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

It's not the numbers that hold you back.
3.7 from a rigorous private passes the bar.

It's other things that hold you back. Recommendation is going to be different for a 3.7 kid v a 3.9 kid.
ECs? 3.7 kid is less motivated to do amazing ECs compared to 3.9 kid.
Essays? same.

Correlation vs Causation.

What you’re saying is irrelevant though, if it’s clear from the data that no student with below a 3.8 ever gets in.

It's a vicious cycle at your school. Every one is watching "very, very closely". Everyone is observing this imaginary "line".
Guess what? No one is applying with 3.7 anymore, and that "line" will stay there forever.

In RD, many people throw in applications to top schools even when they are below 3.8 but unless they have something compelling they won't get in because they are competing against the 3.85+ students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

It's not the numbers that hold you back.
3.7 from a rigorous private passes the bar.

It's other things that hold you back. Recommendation is going to be different for a 3.7 kid v a 3.9 kid.
ECs? 3.7 kid is less motivated to do amazing ECs compared to 3.9 kid.
Essays? same.

Correlation vs Causation.

What you’re saying is irrelevant though, if it’s clear from the data that no student with below a 3.8 ever gets in.

It's a vicious cycle at your school. Every one is watching "very, very closely". Everyone is observing this imaginary "line".
Guess what? No one is applying with 3.7 anymore, and that "line" will stay there forever.

In RD, many people throw in applications to top schools even when they are below 3.8 but unless they have something compelling they won't get in because they are competing against the 3.85+ students.

There!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

It's not the numbers that hold you back.
3.7 from a rigorous private passes the bar.

It's other things that hold you back. Recommendation is going to be different for a 3.7 kid v a 3.9 kid.
ECs? 3.7 kid is less motivated to do amazing ECs compared to 3.9 kid.
Essays? same.

Correlation vs Causation.

What you’re saying is irrelevant though, if it’s clear from the data that no student with below a 3.8 ever gets in.

It's a vicious cycle at your school. Every one is watching "very, very closely". Everyone is observing this imaginary "line".
Guess what? No one is applying with 3.7 anymore, and that "line" will stay there forever.

No, they are 1000% applying. Hope springs eternal. The 3.7s apply every year.

Also, i should add that Michigan will go to 3.7. They're newly top20. They will go down to even a 3.6. The rest--it's a 3.8 world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UW-3.7 is not a low-ish GPA. This is why I hate DCUMs sometimes. And 1510 is a solidly high SAT.

No, he likely won't make Harvard or maybe T25, but otherwise, he can go anywhere else in the country.

Seriously.

[Anonymous]

NYU is worth considering for this profile candidate. Check the matriculations from your school specifically. At our small private, the median GPA to get in RD is 3.75 and the median SAT to get in RD is 1430.

For ED, you can get in with even a lower GPA but OP said they'd prefer not to apply ED which I understand.

Good luck and keep us posted!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

What eve in a "top 20" college anymore? It seems on DCUM that 35 national universities and 5 slacs routinely get referred to as "top 20", so that's 40 schools! USNWR is not reliable as they keep changing their criteria and the unis keep changing their admission tactics to gamify their rankings. Very silly.

If you forget about rankings entirely and just take off the extremely prestigious and hyper selective schools that need "special talent" or insane accomplishments (harvard, princeton, mit, yale, stanford, etc.), I think this type of candidate could have strong or surprise results with very good or excellent schools but not tippy top prestige. Think similar to the BU/NYU/USC group.

[Anonymous]

The line in the sand is just counselor gatekeeping. And where to draw the line is different from school to school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

What eve in a "top 20" college anymore? It seems on DCUM that 35 national universities and 5 slacs routinely get referred to as "top 20", so that's 40 schools! USNWR is not reliable as they keep changing their criteria and the unis keep changing their admission tactics to gamify their rankings. Very silly.

If you forget about rankings entirely and just take off the extremely prestigious and hyper selective schools that need "special talent" or insane accomplishments (harvard, princeton, mit, yale, stanford, etc.), I think this type of candidate could have strong or surprise results with very good or excellent schools but not tippy top prestige. Think similar to the BU/NYU/USC group.

Agree. Somehow they think Washu is a lot more prestigious than Emory as we watch the chick fight on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The line in the sand is just counselor gatekeeping. And where to draw the line is different from school to school.

Absolutely not. In our school's data you can see all rejections below a certain GPA. They allow anyone to apply anywhere and they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UW-3.7 is not a low-ish GPA. This is why I hate DCUMs sometimes. And 1510 is a solidly high SAT.

No, he likely won't make Harvard or maybe T25, but otherwise, he can go anywhere else in the country.

+1 at our tiny private this kid would be set.