Does DEI include women?

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Remember when Trump fired all the female and black Joint Chiefs of Staff? There's your answer

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Trump will ban DEI for transgender people, and argue against preferential treatment for women in STEM/Business. He will not do anything about preferential treatment of men in holistic admissions. Pretty straightforward.

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These threads need to be closed.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are the DEI admits at most schools, not women. Which, in practice, means that nothing will change because the system is benefiting the “right” people in this case.

No. It is very degree specific.

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Well my boys weren’t DEI admits to Ivies. They both had uw 4.0s, 5s on every single AP exam and 36 and 35 ACT.

I always hear blah blah blah girls outshine boys—at the top schools- Ivies, T10s, etc. They all have the stuff (that is the kids that aren’t recruits or hooks—and yes many of them have it too$.

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Anonymous wrote:Well my boys weren’t DEI admits to Ivies. They both had uw 4.0s, 5s on every single AP exam and 36 and 35 ACT.

I always hear blah blah blah girls outshine boys—at the top schools- Ivies, T10s, etc. They all have the stuff (that is the kids that aren’t recruits or hooks—and yes many of them have it too$.

^ at top schools the admits no matter the gender have top grades/scores. There might be more girls applying but it doesn’t mean the boys accepted have lower stats than the girls.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are the DEI admits at most schools, not women. Which, in practice, means that nothing will change because the system is benefiting the “right” people in this case.

No. It is very degree specific.

I would agree with this. In the past, my impression is that the schools will want more women in the Engineering programs so given these programs are direct admits, this was something considered for gender balancing. I would imagine that this will still be continued to be used if DEI is not enforced. Likewise for programs and schools which have traditionally had more female applicants, the preference would likely be to include more men to maintain the 50-50 ratio.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a faculty member/chair at a STEM-focused university. From the perspective of the Trump Administration, DEI does include women. We have received guidance from the DOE and DOJ that includes gender within the context of federally-funded grants, admissions programs that consider gender (e.g., recruiting, scholarships, etc.), hiring initiatives, and leadership programs.

Not in the context of college admissions. Girls outperform boys by a mile in colleges.

Higher up in academic settings, yes, women are being discriminated still. Fewer female professors in colleges, even fewer in leadership positions. But I think these positions are currently occupied by a lot of aged male professors, they will be gone in a few years by force of nature. I wouldn't worried too much about DEI for women.

That is not entirely true. Admissions is broader than AO's making decisions about denial/acceptance. I was referring to admissions practices around recruitment/marketing and merit scholarships. For example, we have received guidance that recruitment efforts to increase the number of female applicants in STEM falls under DEI or scholarship earmarked for women-only.

You missed the main point: Girls outperform boys.

Maybe at being average-exceptional in terms of college admissions. Only two women have won a Fields Medal. Men still outperform at the far upper bound.

Girls were allowed to study at Columbia only after the 80s, less than 50 years ago. Give it another 50 years.

This is optimistic. I don't think the pipeline of girls into high level quantitative science work is as strong as you seem to. For example, last year's winning US IMO team had one young woman on it. She was the first one since 2007.

https://maa.org/news/usa-first-at-imo/

What your saying might happen, but there are a lot of intermediate steps that will be necessary for it.

Google Hannah Cairo. True talent seldom manifests at Olympiads, just another way to coddle boys into doing some work.

No one said girls can't be AMAZING at math, like Hannah. PP said "girls outperform boys" as a blanket statement. I pointed out a significant area where they do not (in aggregate) and everyone went into a frothing rage.

“Frothing rage”?

Thanks for demonstrating that women face in some fields.

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Anonymous wrote:Usually DEI for colleges benefits men.

+1
DEI applies to any effort to balance the equation. If outcome shows greater percentage of any group over another, DEI is the mechanism deployed to “correct” that.
Oddly enough, though, people only seem to see it as an issue when the inequity of representation exists in roles/professions that are perceived to be coveted and where the underrepresented group is not a white male.
You won’t see a push for DEI initiatives to increase the number of white or Asian males on an NBA team or to increase the number of women (of any race) in the roofers labor union.

Please stop with the NBA nonsense.

Can you summarize the systematic disadvantages to white and Asian males that fostered discrimination against them in the National Basketball Association? Are there any blacks owners of NBA teams who have voiced displeasure in having white and Asians players? (Are there any blacks owners of NBA teams at all?) Are there any league-wide obstacles that prevent white and Asian males from participation, roadblocks that justify DEI to dismantle them? No? Didn't think so.

And yet, DEI is alive and well in the NBA for European and Asian players. The league has spent billions of dollars in promotion and infrastructure with the objective of bringing the next Great White Hope and Great Asian Hope to the NBA.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/sport/nba-keen-tap-deep-european-talent-pool-5051551
https://www.ft.com/content/f44d648a-7743-414e-a257-305ce2f56b8a
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45268533/new-asian-college-basketball-league-hopes-produce-next-yao-ming
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/26/sport/yang-hansen-china-nba-blazers-intl-hnk

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Anonymous wrote:Men are the DEI admits at most schools, not women. Which, in practice, means that nothing will change because the system is benefiting the “right” people in this case.

No. It is very degree specific.

Fewer girls are into tech bro fin bro career paths. It's the lack of interest, not the lack of qualification.
I would look at the overall stats of the school, not cherry picking one or two degrees.