CES results posted in ParentVue

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Anonymous wrote:How are the kids in the same school one get 218 got in and one got 230 didn’t? This is too ridiculous.

I have an idea. They could do away with these BS magnet programs and kids could just stay at their schools instead of being divided up every couple of years. MCPS creates artificial scarcity by gatekeeping their enriched curriculum at CES programs when they could just offer it at all schools.

They’re really the worst but it’s coming back to bite them. Turns out if you completely ignore the learning needs of the the kids above grade level for long enough, their ability and scores will start to languish and won’t be high enough to mask the scores of students below grade level. That’s where we are now.

+1 closing GAP by bringing the high performer down instead of helping below level kids to catch up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do many kids get high 90 in MAP R, especially 99 percent? Tutoring or extra reading? I am shocked that many gets high 90 score?

We have read to him since he was week old. Since then he just took to it, always have a book with him. He does love screen and friends like all other kids, but he has a personal library of like 3000 books. His bed is full with books and he bring one down every morning to breakfast.

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Anonymous wrote:Our school is doing CKLA but the high achieving kids are grouped together. The teacher who has that class is really good and does some really creative stuff to make learning interesting. She is also very strict so I know the kids behave well for her.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm skeptical that CES is much different from home school.

This will likely depend on what the home school is planning to do for literacy enrichment and whether they continue to offer the ELC or not. What are folks hearing from your schools about that?

This is the new ELC model. Still a separate class for high achievers, but with CKLA and moves faster than "regular" classes to cover more content. Actually seems much better with old ELC curriculum.

Are they actually competing the kids together? When I asked my school they said that there would be a weekly pull-out during the Flex Time for novel studies but not that it would be a separate class. That is mostly why I’m leaning towards accepting the CES spot over staying at the local school. The cohort is so important

That's the other model for enrichment that is not ELC. (There are two models.) If there are enough kids to form a class, then next year at least, they should be offered the new ELC (which is based on CKLA but moves faster -- similar to how 4/5 and 5/6 math move faster).

Do you know if there are specific benchmarks where if a school has over a certain number of qualifying kids they are expected/required to offer a separate class? Or is it just loose guidelines and really the schools can do whatever they want?

Well, anyone who doesn't get into CES through the lottery and stays in their home school is guaranteed enrichment. If enough students are in that group, then they are supposed to offer a separate ELC class. (They could also move more kids into the class, of course, but at a minimum those who qualify for the lottery should be in.) But MCPS central office really doesn't provide the oversight of this to be able to require schools to do it -- so parents need to push their schools it they are not offering what they should.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our school is doing CKLA but the high achieving kids are grouped together. The teacher who has that class is really good and does some really creative stuff to make learning interesting. She is also very strict so I know the kids behave well for her.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm skeptical that CES is much different from home school.

This will likely depend on what the home school is planning to do for literacy enrichment and whether they continue to offer the ELC or not. What are folks hearing from your schools about that?

This is the new ELC model. Still a separate class for high achievers, but with CKLA and moves faster than "regular" classes to cover more content. Actually seems much better with old ELC curriculum.

Are they actually competing the kids together? When I asked my school they said that there would be a weekly pull-out during the Flex Time for novel studies but not that it would be a separate class. That is mostly why I’m leaning towards accepting the CES spot over staying at the local school. The cohort is so important

That's the other model for enrichment that is not ELC. (There are two models.) If there are enough kids to form a class, then next year at least, they should be offered the new ELC (which is based on CKLA but moves faster -- similar to how 4/5 and 5/6 math move faster).

So does the '"new ELC" include 5th grade CKLA content for 4th graders, or what is the extra content? Do they add on novels or creative writing?

[Anonymous]

So one of the things I really like about CKLA is the explicit focus on spelling. Does the CES still do spelling?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because it’ll get lost in the other thread.

My kid made it in!

So the lottery is solely based on MAP R? What about MAP M?

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Anonymous wrote:Because it’ll get lost in the other thread.

My kid made it in!

So the lottery is solely based on MAP R? What about MAP M?

It’s a language arts focused center. Compacted math is completely separate. I believe grades play a role too, but it’s mostly MAP-R

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because it’ll get lost in the other thread.

My kid made it in!

So the lottery is solely based on MAP R? What about MAP M?

It’s a language arts focused center. Compacted math is completely separate. I believe grades play a role too, but it’s mostly MAP-R

So there is another round of lottery based on MAP M? But they still go to the same magnet school? I’m confused

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it’ll get lost in the other thread.

My kid made it in!

So the lottery is solely based on MAP R? What about MAP M?

It’s a language arts focused center. Compacted math is completely separate. I believe grades play a role too, but it’s mostly MAP-R

So there is another round of lottery based on MAP M? But they still go to the same magnet school? I’m confused

No, math placement is determined by the current year math teacher's recommendation for next year, same as everyone else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it’ll get lost in the other thread.

My kid made it in!

So the lottery is solely based on MAP R? What about MAP M?

It’s a language arts focused center. Compacted math is completely separate. I believe grades play a role too, but it’s mostly MAP-R

So there is another round of lottery based on MAP M? But they still go to the same magnet school? I’m confused

No, math placement is determined by the current year math teacher's recommendation for next year, same as everyone else.

So magnet elementary school program admission is solely based on MAP R? I’m not asking about compact math at local school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it’ll get lost in the other thread.

My kid made it in!

So the lottery is solely based on MAP R? What about MAP M?

It’s a language arts focused center. Compacted math is completely separate. I believe grades play a role too, but it’s mostly MAP-R

So there is another round of lottery based on MAP M? But they still go to the same magnet school? I’m confused

No, math placement is determined by the current year math teacher's recommendation for next year, same as everyone else.

So magnet elementary school program admission is solely based on MAP R? I’m not asking about compact math at local school.

Compacted math at the CES is handled the same way as compacted math at the local school. The CES is about reading, writing, vocabulary, social studies, and some science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it’ll get lost in the other thread.

My kid made it in!

So the lottery is solely based on MAP R? What about MAP M?

It’s a language arts focused center. Compacted math is completely separate. I believe grades play a role too, but it’s mostly MAP-R

So there is another round of lottery based on MAP M? But they still go to the same magnet school? I’m confused

No, math placement is determined by the current year math teacher's recommendation for next year, same as everyone else.

So magnet elementary school program admission is solely based on MAP R? I’m not asking about compact math at local school.

Compacted math at the CES is handled the same way as compacted math at the local school. The CES is about reading, writing, vocabulary, social studies, and some science.

That seems to be different than before. There were kids learning prealgebra or algebra at 5th grade at magnet school before.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it’ll get lost in the other thread.

My kid made it in!

So the lottery is solely based on MAP R? What about MAP M?

It’s a language arts focused center. Compacted math is completely separate. I believe grades play a role too, but it’s mostly MAP-R

So there is another round of lottery based on MAP M? But they still go to the same magnet school? I’m confused

No, math placement is determined by the current year math teacher's recommendation for next year, same as everyone else.

So magnet elementary school program admission is solely based on MAP R? I’m not asking about compact math at local school.

Compacted math at the CES is handled the same way as compacted math at the local school. The CES is about reading, writing, vocabulary, social studies, and some science.

They say that, but at CCES at least, all CES students are in compacted math, and it moves at a faster pace than in the regular program so they are able to do enrichment on top of the regular curriculum.

Don’t know about other CES programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it’ll get lost in the other thread.

My kid made it in!

So the lottery is solely based on MAP R? What about MAP M?

It’s a language arts focused center. Compacted math is completely separate. I believe grades play a role too, but it’s mostly MAP-R

So there is another round of lottery based on MAP M? But they still go to the same magnet school? I’m confused

No, math placement is determined by the current year math teacher's recommendation for next year, same as everyone else.

So magnet elementary school program admission is solely based on MAP R? I’m not asking about compact math at local school.

Compacted math at the CES is handled the same way as compacted math at the local school. The CES is about reading, writing, vocabulary, social studies, and some science.

They say that, but at CCES at least, all CES students are in compacted math, and it moves at a faster pace than in the regular program so they are able to do enrichment on top of the regular curriculum.

Don’t know about other CES programs.

Then why isn’t MAP M used at all as a criterion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it’ll get lost in the other thread.

My kid made it in!

So the lottery is solely based on MAP R? What about MAP M?

It’s a language arts focused center. Compacted math is completely separate. I believe grades play a role too, but it’s mostly MAP-R

So there is another round of lottery based on MAP M? But they still go to the same magnet school? I’m confused

No, math placement is determined by the current year math teacher's recommendation for next year, same as everyone else.

So magnet elementary school program admission is solely based on MAP R? I’m not asking about compact math at local school.

Compacted math at the CES is handled the same way as compacted math at the local school. The CES is about reading, writing, vocabulary, social studies, and some science.

They say that, but at CCES at least, all CES students are in compacted math, and it moves at a faster pace than in the regular program so they are able to do enrichment on top of the regular curriculum.

Don’t know about other CES programs.

Then why isn’t MAP M used at all as a criterion?

I thought the teachers used the MAP-M score to recommend the kid for compact math? Am I wrong?