Why is crate training so popular here?

[Anonymous]

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None of that happened to our dogs either, nor most dogs in countries with high quality vet care that don't use caging. You are talking to the wrong people. You seem to have been very poorly trained.

You can't be serious. You think there are countries where dogs who have just undergone medical procedures are left to freely wander the vet office all day and night? When the employees leave the room, the dogs are just left la la unsupervised, roaming free with new stitches and IV lines and whatever else, left to get into whatever they can in the building?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

None of that happened to our dogs either, nor most dogs in countries with high quality vet care that don't use caging. You are talking to the wrong people. You seem to have been very poorly trained.

You can't be serious. You think there are countries where dogs who have just undergone medical procedures are left to freely wander the vet office all day and night? When the employees leave the room, the dogs are just left la la unsupervised, roaming free with new stitches and IV lines and whatever else, left to get into whatever they can in the building?

No, I am saying that dogs are able to adapt to that environment at the vets even if they didn't grow up in a cage.

[Anonymous]

Crates are not dens. In a den, the dog or animal can leave when they are thirsty to get a drink, or to get food, or to relieve themselves, or to run around if they feel like moving or to socialize. They decide when they want to be in the den and when they need or want to leave.

None of that can happen in a crate. The dog either has to relieve itself in its own space or hold it until they are let out. They have to go without food or water until that is supplied for them, they have to lie still in a small space until they are let out.

It seems there is some variation with different people thinking a few hours to most of the day is great for the dog and what the dog likes and wants, but a crate is never like a den. The point of a crate is that it is closed so that the dog can not do anything on its own. If the door is open, then it isn't a crate. It is just a dog house made out of metal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's inhumane.

Same. I am not even a dog lover but definitely lose respect for people who keep animals in small cages. Don't care if its a dog or cat or monkey or bird or tiger. Animals aren't meant to be in cages. When I was a kid people had dog houses where if a dog wanted to be in a small safe space, it could enter but also leave at will. I get the move to cages was because people wanted a pet but only on the times they were free to play with it and so cages were a way to keep it away from them when they didn't want it around - I just think its pretty awful. Animals aren't meant to be caged.

Everyone I know that crates their dog keeps the door open so the dog is free to come and go as they please. They also line it with towels/blankets/pillows and keep toys in there - it IS the dog's safe space.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's inhumane.

Same. I am not even a dog lover but definitely lose respect for people who keep animals in small cages. Don't care if its a dog or cat or monkey or bird or tiger. Animals aren't meant to be in cages. When I was a kid people had dog houses where if a dog wanted to be in a small safe space, it could enter but also leave at will. I get the move to cages was because people wanted a pet but only on the times they were free to play with it and so cages were a way to keep it away from them when they didn't want it around - I just think its pretty awful. Animals aren't meant to be caged.

Everyone I know that crates their dog keeps the door open so the dog is free to come and go as they please. They also line it with towels/blankets/pillows and keep toys in there - it IS the dog's safe space.

If you read this thread, almost no one keeps the door open and allows the dog to come and go as they please. The crate is about containment. What you are describing is a dog house if there isn't a closed door.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If cages are so great and that is where dogs want to be, why let them out? If that is the best place for animals and the only way they will feel safe, then people should be advocating against letting animals out of cages given the view that is clearly scary and harmful for the animal to have any freedom.
According to those who are singing the praises of keeping them in cages - do you look down on people who let their animals out of cages?

Crazy how we have so many pro-caged animal people on this page and then you have all kinds of animal activists fighting to free other animals from cages as they say it is inhumane.

Who knew that some are activists for caging animals and some are activists against caging animals.

You are not understanding what people are saying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dogs are den animals. The cage becomes their den. It’s very soothing for them. But you have to start the process early and stick with it. It’s worth it. Less separation anxiety for the dog.

What’s wrong with a dog house?

When it's this cold outside? Talk about animal cruelty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's inhumane.

Same. I am not even a dog lover but definitely lose respect for people who keep animals in small cages. Don't care if its a dog or cat or monkey or bird or tiger. Animals aren't meant to be in cages. When I was a kid people had dog houses where if a dog wanted to be in a small safe space, it could enter but also leave at will. I get the move to cages was because people wanted a pet but only on the times they were free to play with it and so cages were a way to keep it away from them when they didn't want it around - I just think its pretty awful. Animals aren't meant to be caged.

Everyone I know that crates their dog keeps the door open so the dog is free to come and go as they please. They also line it with towels/blankets/pillows and keep toys in there - it IS the dog's safe space.

If you read this thread, almost no one keeps the door open and allows the dog to come and go as they please. The crate is about containment. What you are describing is a dog house if there isn't a closed door.

Actually I did read this thread and almost everyone has said that once the dog is trained they leave the door open.

[Anonymous]

I can't believe you monsters keep your infant children in cribs, which are cages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe you monsters keep your infant children in cribs, which are cages.

What kind of crib are you using that is enclosed on all sides and looks liked a dog crate? I doubt that is legal. And would be a risk in a fire to have to get a door oepn to get your child out of bed.

Even dog websites refer to crates as cages. They are the same thing. The first result on google says outdoor cages are usually referred to as kennels and indoor cages as crates.

[Anonymous]

I think it is like spanking your kids. Some people think that is the best way to train them and other people find it barbaric. Same with keeping animals in small cages. Some think it is the best way and some think it is barbaric.

Finland and Sweden have made it illegal to use dog crates / cages. Germany has a 2 hour limit. Most Europeans are not familiar with dog crates or the concept of keeping your dog caged. Australians aren't particularly familiar either. based on reddit threads

In some countries it is common. China and USA for sure. I saw dogs in cages in Malaysia as well. Not sure about other Asian countries. I know some Canadians have crates but most people say their dogs sleep on dog beds or on the human's beds.

It definitely isn't a widely accepted practice outside of a few countries. There are quite a few reddit threads asking if people in their country crate their dogs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If cages are so great and that is where dogs want to be, why let them out? If that is the best place for animals and the only way they will feel safe, then people should be advocating against letting animals out of cages given the view that is clearly scary and harmful for the animal to have any freedom.
According to those who are singing the praises of keeping them in cages - do you look down on people who let their animals out of cages?

Crazy how we have so many pro-caged animal people on this page and then you have all kinds of animal activists fighting to free other animals from cages as they say it is inhumane.

Who knew that some are activists for caging animals and some are activists against caging animals.

Trolly, quit trolling. Crate training =/= caging, and your deliberately inflammatory language reveals your intentions early.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For people who are opposed to crate training, how do you deal with non-routine vet visits where the dog needs to be crated?

I don't agree with crating a dog all day everyday by any means, but there should be a balance as situations will arise when a dog needs to be crated and if they can't handle that, what then?

Why would a dog need a cage for the vet? Just wrap a blanket around dog. If dog truly can only be moved with a cage, then it will be so sick it won’t care.

Lol. Clearly someone with no experience with Vet Med. The dogs who haven't learned the skill of relaxing in a crate (it is a teachable skill) have to be sedated beyond belief because they'll rip out their stitches, IV lines, tear that blanket to shreds and ingest it, become reactive with Vets and Techs and be generally unhinged, anxious nightmares.

Np. What are you talking about? I have a dog who has never been crated- I don’t like it- and she’s fine at the vet, loves car rides, etc.

Ever had to leave her at the vet? Or board her when you travel? Or do you hire a live-in round-the-clock petsitter?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:i crate trained. my dogs love the crate. it is their safe comfy space. they will spend half the day in there with the door open.

they do get the door closed at night and if we arent home to keep them from getting into trouble.

Why have a dog if they are caged all night and during the day when you aren't home?

This truly boggles my mind.

Why have a baby if they're in a crib at night and during the day when you're not actively supervising them? Same reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Crates are not dens. In a den, the dog or animal can leave when they are thirsty to get a drink, or to get food, or to relieve themselves, or to run around if they feel like moving or to socialize. They decide when they want to be in the den and when they need or want to leave.

None of that can happen in a crate. The dog either has to relieve itself in its own space or hold it until they are let out. They have to go without food or water until that is supplied for them, they have to lie still in a small space until they are let out.

It seems there is some variation with different people thinking a few hours to most of the day is great for the dog and what the dog likes and wants, but a crate is never like a den. The point of a crate is that it is closed so that the dog can not do anything on its own. If the door is open, then it isn't a crate. It is just a dog house made out of metal.

And yet, a "housebroken" dog is expected to hold it until they are let out. Or do you let your dog piss/shit wherever, whenever? Do you free-feed your animal, giving it access to food all day long?

As for the linguistic yoga you try with the bolded, clearly you're just here to start a fight. You sound stupid af. Just go FO and pet your dog or something. This is obnoxious.