Top 50 schools where full pay makes a difference

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Anonymous wrote:Full pay and big donor see really different outcomes at T20.

T25.
Don’t forget WashU; Georgetown; Emory etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What are some top 50ish schools where being full pay makes a difference?

There's like a dozen schools that do NOT consider ability to pay.

115, actually

https://blog.prepscholar.com/need-blind-colleges-list

A smaller number that are need blind and meet full need, but still significantly larger than a dozen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need-blind_admission

Eh. In the real world, Princeton and MIT are always going to be cheaper than Colby or Wake Forest and so on. The high endowment, very selective private universities will make it happen for anyone they accept. No one is saying no to Stanford because they can't afford it. It really is about 20 private schools that want the talent regardless of family circumstances.

Facts are inconvenient for narratives, sometimes, I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:all of them

it's much easier to get into ANY college if you are full pay

This is not true.

Yes it is. Full pay is a hook.

Money talks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are some top 50ish schools where being full pay makes a difference?

There's like a dozen schools that do NOT consider ability to pay.

115, actually

https://blog.prepscholar.com/need-blind-colleges-list

A smaller number that are need blind and meet full need, but still significantly larger than a dozen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need-blind_admission

Eh. In the real world, Princeton and MIT are always going to be cheaper than Colby or Wake Forest and so on. The high endowment, very selective private universities will make it happen for anyone they accept. No one is saying no to Stanford because they can't afford it. It really is about 20 private schools that want the talent regardless of family circumstances.

False.

I know a student accepted to Stanford. They turned Stanford down for a full scholarship at UMD.

UMD is happy to pay for HYSP-caliber students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are some top 50ish schools where being full pay makes a difference?

There's like a dozen schools that do NOT consider ability to pay.

115, actually

https://blog.prepscholar.com/need-blind-colleges-list

A smaller number that are need blind and meet full need, but still significantly larger than a dozen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need-blind_admission

Eh. In the real world, Princeton and MIT are always going to be cheaper than Colby or Wake Forest and so on. The high endowment, very selective private universities will make it happen for anyone they accept. No one is saying no to Stanford because they can't afford it. It really is about 20 private schools that want the talent regardless of family circumstances.

False.

I know a student accepted to Stanford. They turned Stanford down for a full scholarship at UMD.

UMD is happy to pay for HYSP-caliber students.

+1.

[Anonymous]

Is there any harm in applying for aid if you don't get it interms of admissions?

[Anonymous]

Almost the entire t50 is need blind.

[Anonymous]

Full pay doesn't matter for T10. Beyond that is anybody's guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:all of them

it's much easier to get into ANY college if you are full pay

This is not true.

Yes it is. Full pay is a hook.

Money talks.

NO, there is a difference between being full pay (doesn't matter at need blind schools) and a Big donor.
Being a big donor talks. Being full pay does not.

[Anonymous]

I am hoping it does for NYU!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:all of them

it's much easier to get into ANY college if you are full pay

This is not true.

Yes it is. Full pay is a hook.

Money talks.

NO, there is a difference between being full pay (doesn't matter at need blind schools) and a Big donor.
Being a big donor talks. Being full pay does not.

DP - and you are just wrong about that at need aware schools. I am not sure how you could even argue it. Schools don't deny it. It may not rise to the level of a "hook" by a specific definition, but it absolutely matters and helps with need aware college admissions, especially in ED.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am hoping it does for NYU!

NYU is need-blind

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:all of them

it's much easier to get into ANY college if you are full pay

This is not true.

Yes it is. Full pay is a hook.

Money talks.

NO, there is a difference between being full pay (doesn't matter at need blind schools) and a Big donor.
Being a big donor talks. Being full pay does not.

DP - and you are just wrong about that at need aware schools. I am not sure how you could even argue it. Schools don't deny it. It may not rise to the level of a "hook" by a specific definition, but it absolutely matters and helps with need aware college admissions, especially in ED.

DP. The issue isn't need-aware schools - by definition, it helps not to have need at need-aware schools.. The issue is that virtually all Top 50 privates are need-blind. Case Western and Wake Forest are the only need-aware schools in the Top 50.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:all of them

it's much easier to get into ANY college if you are full pay

This is not true.

Yes it is. Full pay is a hook.

Money talks.

NO, there is a difference between being full pay (doesn't matter at need blind schools) and a Big donor.
Being a big donor talks. Being full pay does not.

DP - and you are just wrong about that at need aware schools. I am not sure how you could even argue it. Schools don't deny it. It may not rise to the level of a "hook" by a specific definition, but it absolutely matters and helps with need aware college admissions, especially in ED.

DP. The issue isn't need-aware schools - by definition, it helps not to have need at need-aware schools.. The issue is that virtually all Top 50 privates are need-blind. Case Western and Wake Forest are the only need-aware schools in the Top 50.

PP not only didn't make that distinction but responded to a post and thread that also did not make that distinction.

I, however, DID make that distinction, which is why it is odd you are taking issue with the point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:all of them

it's much easier to get into ANY college if you are full pay

This is not true.

Yes it is. Full pay is a hook.

Money talks.

NO, there is a difference between being full pay (doesn't matter at need blind schools) and a Big donor.
Being a big donor talks. Being full pay does not.

DP - and you are just wrong about that at need aware schools. I am not sure how you could even argue it. Schools don't deny it. It may not rise to the level of a "hook" by a specific definition, but it absolutely matters and helps with need aware college admissions, especially in ED.

huh. Read my post. I'm talking about need blind schools--which is almost all top50 schools.