Do you talk to your children about sin?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Sin is a fear- and shame-based control structure. They must understand the distinction between control and actual morality. We also spend a lot of time discussing how sin is about our contract with God, not other people, and how, as the "other people" to others, it's not our place to judge another person's sins, it's God's. Standing in judgment of a fellow sinner is, in and of itself, a sin, and the greater sin, at that.

Reference in a Bible/Torah/Quaran/other holy book for this?

All of the above and then some, as many modern societal 'no-nos' are built on these same concepts.

Specific emphasis given to the way "sinfulness" is applied thicker/heavier to women/femmes than men/masc-of-center people.

I think you misunderstood. A reference would be you quoting something from one or more of those books to prove that they say "standing in judgment of a fellow sinner is, in and of itself, a sin, and the greater sin, at that."

Broseph, standing in judgment of another of God's creations puts you above them. You're assuming God's role. What greater sin could there possibly be than usurping divine authority? Pick the holy book of your choosing and cite it yourself; I've never found one that says otherwise.

But if that's the case, then you should be able to drop a clear quote here.

IMO the Bible, for example, says that the church as an authority figure gets to judge individual believers. I as a congregant don't exactly (though I am allowed to say something), but the church leadership absolutely does. For ex:

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosedf in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” --Matthew 18:15-20

Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. --Galatians 6:1

I'd like to see your cite that says that pointing out someone else's transgression is a sin. Specific verse or verses that together say this.

Do it yourself, and don't twist what I said to justify your inability to find support for it (which you already cited; I'll bold it for you, but that's the last freebie I'm handing out on this thread to some argumentative jesusite acting stupidly obtuse about things a simple WWJD would explain).

We must be defining judge differently. I'm simply defining it as call a spade a spade, not as setting yourself up over someone else.

Who put you in the position of needing to point out others' sins? Why do you feel compelled to do this? Who does this to you, and how do you respond/react if/when they do? And while you'll say something like "I appreciate people pointing out my sins" you don't. You just don't. Nobody does. All unsolicited advice is criticism, and all humans are sinners. Nobody needs you pointing out their flaws, unless they've specifically asked for some reason. The very fact that you feel inclined to do this is your own sin, your own hubris, thinking you understand another's life enough to judge what is/isn't their sin. You're called to address your own sin, which is a full-time job for anyone taking it seriously. Done well, you won't have the time to judge your neighbor, or "call their spade" anything.

Me specifically? Other than my immediate family (come on, you never correct your own kids?), I really don't point out other people's issues. But I do think the Bible set up a structure where it has to happen sometimes, and set up people who are tasked with it. Just like judges have to hand down sentences, church leadership does have to deal with issues sometimes. Or have you never seen churches having to handle big scandals (aka sins)?

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Anonymous wrote:No. We’re Jewish and while there are things you’re not supposed to do, we don’t really have a sense of sin like Christianity does.

Which school of Judaism is that?

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Anonymous wrote:No. We’re Jewish and while there are things you’re not supposed to do, we don’t really have a sense of sin like Christianity does.

Which school of Judaism is that?

All denominations of Judaism. We don’t have a sense of sin like Christians do. We also don’t really have a developed concept of hell or the afterlife.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. They are taught the 10 commandments as well the sins pf sexual immorality (homosexuality, child molesting, adultery, and fornication) which, those who practice such sins will not enter the kingdom of Heaven. They are also taught what Jesus said, that he and God are one, and no person enters heaven except through Jesus. There are not “many ways to God” there is only one way, one door; Jesus. This means all the religions, no matter how spiritual they seem, will not get you into heaven.

First, adultery is covered by the Ten Commandments, so no need for a separate "sexual immorality" prohibition on that. One would think you'd know that.

But more importantly, this is why people can't stand rabid Christians, and the religious population is dwindling. When you equate homosexuality, fornication and even adultery with child molestation, thinking people everywhere understand that (i) you are nuts, and don't want to be associated with you, or (ii) if this is a faithful interpretation of christian beliefs, the religion itself is nuts and don't want to be associated with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Sin is a fear- and shame-based control structure. They must understand the distinction between control and actual morality. We also spend a lot of time discussing how sin is about our contract with God, not other people, and how, as the "other people" to others, it's not our place to judge another person's sins, it's God's. Standing in judgment of a fellow sinner is, in and of itself, a sin, and the greater sin, at that.

Reference in a Bible/Torah/Quaran/other holy book for this?

All of the above and then some, as many modern societal 'no-nos' are built on these same concepts.

Specific emphasis given to the way "sinfulness" is applied thicker/heavier to women/femmes than men/masc-of-center people.

I think you misunderstood. A reference would be you quoting something from one or more of those books to prove that they say "standing in judgment of a fellow sinner is, in and of itself, a sin, and the greater sin, at that."

Broseph, standing in judgment of another of God's creations puts you above them. You're assuming God's role. What greater sin could there possibly be than usurping divine authority? Pick the holy book of your choosing and cite it yourself; I've never found one that says otherwise.

But if that's the case, then you should be able to drop a clear quote here.

IMO the Bible, for example, says that the church as an authority figure gets to judge individual believers. I as a congregant don't exactly (though I am allowed to say something), but the church leadership absolutely does. For ex:

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosedf in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” --Matthew 18:15-20

Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. --Galatians 6:1

I'd like to see your cite that says that pointing out someone else's transgression is a sin. Specific verse or verses that together say this.

Do it yourself, and don't twist what I said to justify your inability to find support for it (which you already cited; I'll bold it for you, but that's the last freebie I'm handing out on this thread to some argumentative jesusite acting stupidly obtuse about things a simple WWJD would explain).

We must be defining judge differently. I'm simply defining it as call a spade a spade, not as setting yourself up over someone else.

Who put you in the position of needing to point out others' sins? Why do you feel compelled to do this? Who does this to you, and how do you respond/react if/when they do? And while you'll say something like "I appreciate people pointing out my sins" you don't. You just don't. Nobody does. All unsolicited advice is criticism, and all humans are sinners. Nobody needs you pointing out their flaws, unless they've specifically asked for some reason. The very fact that you feel inclined to do this is your own sin, your own hubris, thinking you understand another's life enough to judge what is/isn't their sin. You're called to address your own sin, which is a full-time job for anyone taking it seriously. Done well, you won't have the time to judge your neighbor, or "call their spade" anything.

Me specifically? Other than my immediate family (come on, you never correct your own kids?), I really don't point out other people's issues. But I do think the Bible set up a structure where it has to happen sometimes, and set up people who are tasked with it. Just like judges have to hand down sentences, church leadership does have to deal with issues sometimes. Or have you never seen churches having to handle big scandals (aka sins)?

So you're church leadership, and your leadership approach is "call a spade a spade?" If so, you're still missing the mark. If not, you're so far from the mark you're likely to shoot yourself in the ass.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Sin is a fear- and shame-based control structure. They must understand the distinction between control and actual morality. We also spend a lot of time discussing how sin is about our contract with God, not other people, and how, as the "other people" to others, it's not our place to judge another person's sins, it's God's. Standing in judgment of a fellow sinner is, in and of itself, a sin, and the greater sin, at that.

Reference in a Bible/Torah/Quaran/other holy book for this?

All of the above and then some, as many modern societal 'no-nos' are built on these same concepts.

Specific emphasis given to the way "sinfulness" is applied thicker/heavier to women/femmes than men/masc-of-center people.

I think you misunderstood. A reference would be you quoting something from one or more of those books to prove that they say "standing in judgment of a fellow sinner is, in and of itself, a sin, and the greater sin, at that."

Broseph, standing in judgment of another of God's creations puts you above them. You're assuming God's role. What greater sin could there possibly be than usurping divine authority? Pick the holy book of your choosing and cite it yourself; I've never found one that says otherwise.

But if that's the case, then you should be able to drop a clear quote here.

IMO the Bible, for example, says that the church as an authority figure gets to judge individual believers. I as a congregant don't exactly (though I am allowed to say something), but the church leadership absolutely does. For ex:

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosedf in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” --Matthew 18:15-20

Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. --Galatians 6:1

I'd like to see your cite that says that pointing out someone else's transgression is a sin. Specific verse or verses that together say this.

Do it yourself, and don't twist what I said to justify your inability to find support for it (which you already cited; I'll bold it for you, but that's the last freebie I'm handing out on this thread to some argumentative jesusite acting stupidly obtuse about things a simple WWJD would explain).

We must be defining judge differently. I'm simply defining it as call a spade a spade, not as setting yourself up over someone else.

Who put you in the position of needing to point out others' sins? Why do you feel compelled to do this? Who does this to you, and how do you respond/react if/when they do? And while you'll say something like "I appreciate people pointing out my sins" you don't. You just don't. Nobody does. All unsolicited advice is criticism, and all humans are sinners. Nobody needs you pointing out their flaws, unless they've specifically asked for some reason. The very fact that you feel inclined to do this is your own sin, your own hubris, thinking you understand another's life enough to judge what is/isn't their sin. You're called to address your own sin, which is a full-time job for anyone taking it seriously. Done well, you won't have the time to judge your neighbor, or "call their spade" anything.

Me specifically? Other than my immediate family (come on, you never correct your own kids?), I really don't point out other people's issues. But I do think the Bible set up a structure where it has to happen sometimes, and set up people who are tasked with it. Just like judges have to hand down sentences, church leadership does have to deal with issues sometimes. Or have you never seen churches having to handle big scandals (aka sins)?

So you're church leadership, and your leadership approach is "call a spade a spade?" If so, you're still missing the mark. If not, you're so far from the mark you're likely to shoot yourself in the ass.

No. You misunderstand entirely. All I've been trying to find out all along is why you (at least, I assume it has been the same single you) are arguing that the Bible - or any other holy book in any religion - says that telling people about their sin is a greater sin than other sins. I can't find a verse that says so and I'm pretty good with a concordance.

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Anonymous wrote:We focus on loving God and loving our neighbor but sin has come up. They say the Lord's prayer. They know why Jesus needed to die.

Honest question: how if sin has never come up?

You misread - I wrote that it has come up. This thread has made me think maybe we should actually talk about it more. I think it’s important to talk about it alongside forgiveness, repentance, mercy, and grace.

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Anonymous wrote:We focus on loving God and loving our neighbor but sin has come up. They say the Lord's prayer. They know why Jesus needed to die.

Honest question: how if sin has never come up?

You misread - I wrote that it has come up. This thread has made me think maybe we should actually talk about it more. I think it’s important to talk about it alongside forgiveness, repentance, mercy, and grace.

Sorry, I did misread. Also I love the italicized. I think the people who sadly have been so harmed by the talk of sin didn't get it in that way.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Sin is a fear- and shame-based control structure. They must understand the distinction between control and actual morality. We also spend a lot of time discussing how sin is about our contract with God, not other people, and how, as the "other people" to others, it's not our place to judge another person's sins, it's God's. Standing in judgment of a fellow sinner is, in and of itself, a sin, and the greater sin, at that.

Reference in a Bible/Torah/Quaran/other holy book for this?

All of the above and then some, as many modern societal 'no-nos' are built on these same concepts.

Specific emphasis given to the way "sinfulness" is applied thicker/heavier to women/femmes than men/masc-of-center people.

I think you misunderstood. A reference would be you quoting something from one or more of those books to prove that they say "standing in judgment of a fellow sinner is, in and of itself, a sin, and the greater sin, at that."

Broseph, standing in judgment of another of God's creations puts you above them. You're assuming God's role. What greater sin could there possibly be than usurping divine authority? Pick the holy book of your choosing and cite it yourself; I've never found one that says otherwise.

But if that's the case, then you should be able to drop a clear quote here.

IMO the Bible, for example, says that the church as an authority figure gets to judge individual believers. I as a congregant don't exactly (though I am allowed to say something), but the church leadership absolutely does. For ex:

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosedf in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” --Matthew 18:15-20

Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. --Galatians 6:1

I'd like to see your cite that says that pointing out someone else's transgression is a sin. Specific verse or verses that together say this.

Do it yourself, and don't twist what I said to justify your inability to find support for it (which you already cited; I'll bold it for you, but that's the last freebie I'm handing out on this thread to some argumentative jesusite acting stupidly obtuse about things a simple WWJD would explain).

We must be defining judge differently. I'm simply defining it as call a spade a spade, not as setting yourself up over someone else.

Who put you in the position of needing to point out others' sins? Why do you feel compelled to do this? Who does this to you, and how do you respond/react if/when they do? And while you'll say something like "I appreciate people pointing out my sins" you don't. You just don't. Nobody does. All unsolicited advice is criticism, and all humans are sinners. Nobody needs you pointing out their flaws, unless they've specifically asked for some reason. The very fact that you feel inclined to do this is your own sin, your own hubris, thinking you understand another's life enough to judge what is/isn't their sin. You're called to address your own sin, which is a full-time job for anyone taking it seriously. Done well, you won't have the time to judge your neighbor, or "call their spade" anything.

Me specifically? Other than my immediate family (come on, you never correct your own kids?), I really don't point out other people's issues. But I do think the Bible set up a structure where it has to happen sometimes, and set up people who are tasked with it. Just like judges have to hand down sentences, church leadership does have to deal with issues sometimes. Or have you never seen churches having to handle big scandals (aka sins)?

So you're church leadership, and your leadership approach is "call a spade a spade?" If so, you're still missing the mark. If not, you're so far from the mark you're likely to shoot yourself in the ass.

No. You misunderstand entirely. All I've been trying to find out all along is why you (at least, I assume it has been the same single you) are arguing that the Bible - or any other holy book in any religion - says that telling people about their sin is a greater sin than other sins. I can't find a verse that says so and I'm pretty good with a concordance.

If you're the sort of xtian who owns a Strongs, I'm 99% sure you're doing it wrong.

Holy books, all of them, are guidelines for the believer. They're not rulebooks for the believer to enforce against other believers. There are dozens of passages in a standard xtian bible that are easy to find, with concepts like glass houses and the plank in your own eye. If you really need a random on the internet to help you through this, you're beyond my help.

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Anonymous wrote:We focus on loving God and loving our neighbor but sin has come up. They say the Lord's prayer. They know why Jesus needed to die.

Honest question: how if sin has never come up?

You misread - I wrote that it has come up. This thread has made me think maybe we should actually talk about it more. I think it’s important to talk about it alongside forgiveness, repentance, mercy, and grace.

Yeah, those things. Love, not judgment.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Sin is a fear- and shame-based control structure. They must understand the distinction between control and actual morality. We also spend a lot of time discussing how sin is about our contract with God, not other people, and how, as the "other people" to others, it's not our place to judge another person's sins, it's God's. Standing in judgment of a fellow sinner is, in and of itself, a sin, and the greater sin, at that.

Reference in a Bible/Torah/Quaran/other holy book for this?

All of the above and then some, as many modern societal 'no-nos' are built on these same concepts.

Specific emphasis given to the way "sinfulness" is applied thicker/heavier to women/femmes than men/masc-of-center people.

I think you misunderstood. A reference would be you quoting something from one or more of those books to prove that they say "standing in judgment of a fellow sinner is, in and of itself, a sin, and the greater sin, at that."

Broseph, standing in judgment of another of God's creations puts you above them. You're assuming God's role. What greater sin could there possibly be than usurping divine authority? Pick the holy book of your choosing and cite it yourself; I've never found one that says otherwise.

But if that's the case, then you should be able to drop a clear quote here.

IMO the Bible, for example, says that the church as an authority figure gets to judge individual believers. I as a congregant don't exactly (though I am allowed to say something), but the church leadership absolutely does. For ex:

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosedf in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” --Matthew 18:15-20

Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. --Galatians 6:1

I'd like to see your cite that says that pointing out someone else's transgression is a sin. Specific verse or verses that together say this.

Do it yourself, and don't twist what I said to justify your inability to find support for it (which you already cited; I'll bold it for you, but that's the last freebie I'm handing out on this thread to some argumentative jesusite acting stupidly obtuse about things a simple WWJD would explain).

We must be defining judge differently. I'm simply defining it as call a spade a spade, not as setting yourself up over someone else.

Who put you in the position of needing to point out others' sins? Why do you feel compelled to do this? Who does this to you, and how do you respond/react if/when they do? And while you'll say something like "I appreciate people pointing out my sins" you don't. You just don't. Nobody does. All unsolicited advice is criticism, and all humans are sinners. Nobody needs you pointing out their flaws, unless they've specifically asked for some reason. The very fact that you feel inclined to do this is your own sin, your own hubris, thinking you understand another's life enough to judge what is/isn't their sin. You're called to address your own sin, which is a full-time job for anyone taking it seriously. Done well, you won't have the time to judge your neighbor, or "call their spade" anything.

Me specifically? Other than my immediate family (come on, you never correct your own kids?), I really don't point out other people's issues. But I do think the Bible set up a structure where it has to happen sometimes, and set up people who are tasked with it. Just like judges have to hand down sentences, church leadership does have to deal with issues sometimes. Or have you never seen churches having to handle big scandals (aka sins)?

So you're church leadership, and your leadership approach is "call a spade a spade?" If so, you're still missing the mark. If not, you're so far from the mark you're likely to shoot yourself in the ass.

No. You misunderstand entirely. All I've been trying to find out all along is why you (at least, I assume it has been the same single you) are arguing that the Bible - or any other holy book in any religion - says that telling people about their sin is a greater sin than other sins. I can't find a verse that says so and I'm pretty good with a concordance.

If you're the sort of xtian who owns a Strongs, I'm 99% sure you're doing it wrong.

Holy books, all of them, are guidelines for the believer. They're not rulebooks for the believer to enforce against other believers. There are dozens of passages in a standard xtian bible that are easy to find, with concepts like glass houses and the plank in your own eye. If you really need a random on the internet to help you through this, you're beyond my help.

I'm not looking for help. I'm looking for you to make real argument. Ad hominem is not that.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Sin is a fear- and shame-based control structure. They must understand the distinction between control and actual morality. We also spend a lot of time discussing how sin is about our contract with God, not other people, and how, as the "other people" to others, it's not our place to judge another person's sins, it's God's. Standing in judgment of a fellow sinner is, in and of itself, a sin, and the greater sin, at that.

Reference in a Bible/Torah/Quaran/other holy book for this?

All of the above and then some, as many modern societal 'no-nos' are built on these same concepts.

Specific emphasis given to the way "sinfulness" is applied thicker/heavier to women/femmes than men/masc-of-center people.

I think you misunderstood. A reference would be you quoting something from one or more of those books to prove that they say "standing in judgment of a fellow sinner is, in and of itself, a sin, and the greater sin, at that."

Broseph, standing in judgment of another of God's creations puts you above them. You're assuming God's role. What greater sin could there possibly be than usurping divine authority? Pick the holy book of your choosing and cite it yourself; I've never found one that says otherwise.

But if that's the case, then you should be able to drop a clear quote here.

IMO the Bible, for example, says that the church as an authority figure gets to judge individual believers. I as a congregant don't exactly (though I am allowed to say something), but the church leadership absolutely does. For ex:

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosedf in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” --Matthew 18:15-20

Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. --Galatians 6:1

I'd like to see your cite that says that pointing out someone else's transgression is a sin. Specific verse or verses that together say this.

Do it yourself, and don't twist what I said to justify your inability to find support for it (which you already cited; I'll bold it for you, but that's the last freebie I'm handing out on this thread to some argumentative jesusite acting stupidly obtuse about things a simple WWJD would explain).

We must be defining judge differently. I'm simply defining it as call a spade a spade, not as setting yourself up over someone else.

Who put you in the position of needing to point out others' sins? Why do you feel compelled to do this? Who does this to you, and how do you respond/react if/when they do? And while you'll say something like "I appreciate people pointing out my sins" you don't. You just don't. Nobody does. All unsolicited advice is criticism, and all humans are sinners. Nobody needs you pointing out their flaws, unless they've specifically asked for some reason. The very fact that you feel inclined to do this is your own sin, your own hubris, thinking you understand another's life enough to judge what is/isn't their sin. You're called to address your own sin, which is a full-time job for anyone taking it seriously. Done well, you won't have the time to judge your neighbor, or "call their spade" anything.

Me specifically? Other than my immediate family (come on, you never correct your own kids?), I really don't point out other people's issues. But I do think the Bible set up a structure where it has to happen sometimes, and set up people who are tasked with it. Just like judges have to hand down sentences, church leadership does have to deal with issues sometimes. Or have you never seen churches having to handle big scandals (aka sins)?

So you're church leadership, and your leadership approach is "call a spade a spade?" If so, you're still missing the mark. If not, you're so far from the mark you're likely to shoot yourself in the ass.

No. You misunderstand entirely. All I've been trying to find out all along is why you (at least, I assume it has been the same single you) are arguing that the Bible - or any other holy book in any religion - says that telling people about their sin is a greater sin than other sins. I can't find a verse that says so and I'm pretty good with a concordance.

If you're the sort of xtian who owns a Strongs, I'm 99% sure you're doing it wrong.

Holy books, all of them, are guidelines for the believer. They're not rulebooks for the believer to enforce against other believers. There are dozens of passages in a standard xtian bible that are easy to find, with concepts like glass houses and the plank in your own eye. If you really need a random on the internet to help you through this, you're beyond my help.

I'm not looking for help. I'm looking for you to make real argument. Ad hominem is not that.

Why are you so bent on arguing an anon's alleged beliefs?