Largest percentage of private HS kids

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Anonymous wrote:This is all super helpful.

The more I read, think and crunch the data/fees, I am inclined not to have my child apply / enroll at large public Flagships. For the out-of-state tuition prices, I just don’t think it’s worth it - with the limited amount of undergrad focused resources. The value isn’t there for me.

If you think your kid needs a bit more handholding, undergrad resources, student-centric staff, administration, and programming, are the schools listed above the ones we should be focusing on? Are there any others? How do we figure out the “spend” per undergraduate student?

Profile: private school senior girl, full pay, non-DMV. Humanities major, top GPA stats/rigor + high test scores. Looking for social, friendly schools with attention from faculty.

Any and all advice appreciated.

I think you're asking two separate things. Your first question was schools that take a disproportionate number of students from private high schools. Your second question was schools that offer more support/hand holding/advising. The schools in both those lists might overlap, but it isn't the same thing.

I could be wrong but I’d assume schools with larger % of private HS kids would offer more of these handholding, robust freshman/undergrad focused services? That these types of students would gravitate towards these schools?

Is that wrong?

not necessarily. Private school is going to correlate with the ability to pay more than with the need for hand holding. Some times the two overlap, but not always

What exactly is handholding in this context?

Some of these school will have a residence hall advisor that takes parent calls.
They might have regular check-ins with students to make sure they are staying on top of their classes and getting them tutors if they seem to be struggling.
If the student gets a bad grade they talk to them about it and how to avoid bad grades going forward.
It's almost more than they would get at a lot of homes.

We've been looking for a small, handholding school for my autistic child and haven't seen anything like that. Frankly, it sounds excessive and inappropriate for neurotypical college students. If your child truly needs that level of support, we're looking at Mansfield Hall, which is a "superdorm" for students attending a variety of schools and that provides that level of oversight. https://mansfieldhall.org/

For your autistic child, there is a special program at St. Joe’s in Philly. It is integrated with the education program so not only is there support for autistic students, but education majors learn how to best work with the autistic community.

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Anonymous wrote:This is all super helpful.

The more I read, think and crunch the data/fees, I am inclined not to have my child apply / enroll at large public Flagships. For the out-of-state tuition prices, I just don’t think it’s worth it - with the limited amount of undergrad focused resources. The value isn’t there for me.

If you think your kid needs a bit more handholding, undergrad resources, student-centric staff, administration, and programming, are the schools listed above the ones we should be focusing on? Are there any others? How do we figure out the “spend” per undergraduate student?

Profile: private school senior girl, full pay, non-DMV. Humanities major, top GPA stats/rigor + high test scores. Looking for social, friendly schools with attention from faculty.

Any and all advice appreciated.

I think you're asking two separate things. Your first question was schools that take a disproportionate number of students from private high schools. Your second question was schools that offer more support/hand holding/advising. The schools in both those lists might overlap, but it isn't the same thing.

I could be wrong but I’d assume schools with larger % of private HS kids would offer more of these handholding, robust freshman/undergrad focused services? That these types of students would gravitate towards these schools?

Is that wrong?

not necessarily. Private school is going to correlate with the ability to pay more than with the need for hand holding. Some times the two overlap, but not always

What exactly is handholding in this context?

Advisors who know you exist as a freshman, teachers expected to know a students name, responsive student life department especially with respect to housing.... The SLAC I went to gave professors large budgets to host freshmen for group dinners and my advisor met with me multiple times and pushed me towards certain clubs all of which were lavishly funded. Basically they did everything possible to bring freshman into the school community. My spouse went to Cal. They joke that for the first two years they doubt that any school employee knew their name or cared that they existed

Could you share the name of your SLAC?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is all super helpful.

The more I read, think and crunch the data/fees, I am inclined not to have my child apply / enroll at large public Flagships. For the out-of-state tuition prices, I just don’t think it’s worth it - with the limited amount of undergrad focused resources. The value isn’t there for me.

If you think your kid needs a bit more handholding, undergrad resources, student-centric staff, administration, and programming, are the schools listed above the ones we should be focusing on? Are there any others? How do we figure out the “spend” per undergraduate student?

Profile: private school senior girl, full pay, non-DMV. Humanities major, top GPA stats/rigor + high test scores. Looking for social, friendly schools with attention from faculty.

Any and all advice appreciated.

I think you're asking two separate things. Your first question was schools that take a disproportionate number of students from private high schools. Your second question was schools that offer more support/hand holding/advising. The schools in both those lists might overlap, but it isn't the same thing.

I could be wrong but I’d assume schools with larger % of private HS kids would offer more of these handholding, robust freshman/undergrad focused services? That these types of students would gravitate towards these schools?

Is that wrong?

not necessarily. Private school is going to correlate with the ability to pay more than with the need for hand holding. Some times the two overlap, but not always

What exactly is handholding in this context?

Advisors who know you exist as a freshman, teachers expected to know a students name, responsive student life department especially with respect to housing.... The SLAC I went to gave professors large budgets to host freshmen for group dinners and my advisor met with me multiple times and pushed me towards certain clubs all of which were lavishly funded. Basically they did everything possible to bring freshman into the school community. My spouse went to Cal. They joke that for the first two years they doubt that any school employee knew their name or cared that they existed

What SLAC is this? Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:Emory, Georgetown, Vanderbilt

Emory and Georgetown? Really? I thought Georgetown was a bit hands off.

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Anonymous wrote:Emory, Georgetown, Vanderbilt

Emory and Georgetown? Really? I thought Georgetown was a bit hands off.

Nope Georgetown has the most applicants from the highest income households, Emory is second, Vandy is third. I would assume a large percentage of them are private school students.

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Anonymous wrote:This is all super helpful.

The more I read, think and crunch the data/fees, I am inclined not to have my child apply / enroll at large public Flagships. For the out-of-state tuition prices, I just don’t think it’s worth it - with the limited amount of undergrad focused resources. The value isn’t there for me.

If you think your kid needs a bit more handholding, undergrad resources, student-centric staff, administration, and programming, are the schools listed above the ones we should be focusing on? Are there any others? How do we figure out the “spend” per undergraduate student?

Profile: private school senior girl, full pay, non-DMV. Humanities major, top GPA stats/rigor + high test scores. Looking for social, friendly schools with attention from faculty.

Any and all advice appreciated.

Scripps would be a wonderful school for your DD to look into. Or Occidental (I know 2 women who graduated my son's private school who are very happy there, also humanities).

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Anonymous wrote:This is all super helpful.

The more I read, think and crunch the data/fees, I am inclined not to have my child apply / enroll at large public Flagships. For the out-of-state tuition prices, I just don’t think it’s worth it - with the limited amount of undergrad focused resources. The value isn’t there for me.

If you think your kid needs a bit more handholding, undergrad resources, student-centric staff, administration, and programming, are the schools listed above the ones we should be focusing on? Are there any others? How do we figure out the “spend” per undergraduate student?

Profile: private school senior girl, full pay, non-DMV. Humanities major, top GPA stats/rigor + high test scores. Looking for social, friendly schools with attention from faculty.

Any and all advice appreciated.

Scripps would be a wonderful school for your DD to look into. Or Occidental (I know 2 women who graduated my son's private school who are very happy there, also humanities).

The 2 occidental ppl we know both transferred. Bad fit.

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Which ones??

Nearly all of them.

Not much at the top. More diversity and emphasis on public schools.

This seems to be true only of Swarthmore, which is 68 percent public school grads. Can’t find Williams data, but Amherst and Pomona are over 40 percent from independent/parochial schools.

Is 40% egregious now? That lines up for selecting some of the best students in the US.

It's high considering only 10% of K-12 students in the US attend private schools. I think what you mean is "lines up for selecting some of the richest students in the US."
-private school parent.

ERB subtests come with norms, and my kid with 99th percentile scores, by public standards, scored as low as 89th, by those of independent schools. 75th percentile kid was way down at 25th. The entire distribution is skewed to the right.

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Anonymous wrote:Slacs

Which ones??

Nearly all of them.

Not much at the top. More diversity and emphasis on public schools.

This seems to be true only of Swarthmore, which is 68 percent public school grads. Can’t find Williams data, but Amherst and Pomona are over 40 percent from independent/parochial schools.

Is 40% egregious now? That lines up for selecting some of the best students in the US.

It's high considering only 10% of K-12 students in the US attend private schools. I think what you mean is "lines up for selecting some of the richest students in the US."
-private school parent.

ERB subtests come with norms, and my kid with 99th percentile scores, by public standards, scored as low as 89th, by those of independent schools. 75th percentile kid was way down at 25th. The entire distribution is skewed to the right.

THIS. And this is why top unis and top lacs take far deeper into the class from test-in privates: the top25% at these schools is like the top 5% of an above average public.
The students who are 99+ overall and also 99th in every area compared to the independent school groups are pretty rare and they tend to have their pick among many ivy/plus/williams/amherst. The problem is when parents do not understand that their public-school-gifted kid (cutoff is usually hitting 95th%ile nationally in one area) would be just above average at the top private or the test in magnet high school. Heck they could be the bottom 1/3 of TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Slacs

Which ones??

Nearly all of them.

Not much at the top. More diversity and emphasis on public schools.

This seems to be true only of Swarthmore, which is 68 percent public school grads. Can’t find Williams data, but Amherst and Pomona are over 40 percent from independent/parochial schools.

Is 40% egregious now? That lines up for selecting some of the best students in the US.

It's high considering only 10% of K-12 students in the US attend private schools. I think what you mean is "lines up for selecting some of the richest students in the US."
-private school parent.

ERB subtests come with norms, and my kid with 99th percentile scores, by public standards, scored as low as 89th, by those of independent schools. 75th percentile kid was way down at 25th. The entire distribution is skewed to the right.

THIS. And this is why top unis and top lacs take far deeper into the class from test-in privates: the top25% at these schools is like the top 5% of an above average public.
The students who are 99+ overall and also 99th in every area compared to the independent school groups are pretty rare and they tend to have their pick among many ivy/plus/williams/amherst. The problem is when parents do not understand that their public-school-gifted kid (cutoff is usually hitting 95th%ile nationally in one area) would be just above average at the top private or the test in magnet high school. Heck they could be the bottom 1/3 of TJ.

Also more nuanced than that. So many T20/T5SLAC focused on liberal arts education and writing…..
They know private school kids can write long cogent papers if necessary.

My kid at Ivy thinks it’s easier than high school….