Travel with kids or when retired?

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. Out of curiosity, what was the exhausting trip? How long and where did you go? I feel so sorry for all the doddering old people I see everywhere these days. Honestly, it’s downright dangerous for a lot of them to be out and about.

I know. They should all stay in doors, waiting for death☠️.

Someday you will be “they.” And I’m sure you won’t enjoy the judgment of younger generations.

But why didn’t they do it when they were younger? That’s what we’re doing.

Maybe they didn’t have the time, money, desire, etc. Not traveling when you’re younger isn’t a trait that some people have. And you’re not special for traveling young. And not everyone loses their energy and stamina by 50 or 60.

There are just some things in life that I’d you didn’t do by a certain age, you missed it. I get so annoyed seeing the Boomer cruise passengers and river cruise passengers around Europe, tottering around and acting like they own the world. So entitled and obnoxious!

They own the world every bit as much as you do. In fact they built it.

You are the entitled one, resenting the fact that they think they can do exactly what you are doing. Get over yourself ( guess who you are going to turn into)?

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Do you obnoxious younger posters also resent disabled people for “tottering” in your vacation spaces?

You are not more worthy, you really are not.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to do both. One of my kids is a very difficult traveler though so a lot of things have to fit around her needs.

I want to sit at cafes and people watch and take long train rides in the country side, which the kids are not interested in. I want to take some very expensive trips like safaris that would cost double with the kids. I want to fly to far out of the way places and not worry about it taking 48 hours to get there, but on school schedules that's not possible.

So we travel as much as we can now in ways that suit our needs. And hope we have the money and health to do the rest later.

What do you mean she’s a difficult traveler. She’s a kid. Make her be better.

Omgggg, I never thought of that!!! You are a way better parent, clearly.

I’m just saying, why in earth would you fit things to her needs, as you put it? Why would you cater to a child?

What?! Because my kid is a person too. I love tailoring our trips to their interests and seeing their joy and wonder, plus it's a very pleasant experience if they can be excited and look forward to activities.

I also love my kids, so there is that. And yes we travel including internationally.

I love your response.

PP will be on the college forum in a few years saying why should my kid be allowed to choose their major/college when I am the one paying for it.

No respect for the fact that they are individuals who deserve a voice and respect

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. Out of curiosity, what was the exhausting trip? How long and where did you go? I feel so sorry for all the doddering old people I see everywhere these days. Honestly, it’s downright dangerous for a lot of them to be out and about.

But do you realize that society could be set up to accommodate the reality that a large segment of our population is aging. There is no reason that they should be consigned to their homes because they are not up to what young adults can handle.

That would require us to regard them with respect, and equal worth.

I don’t see that, at least on DCUM.

But they’ve lived their lives. Why should society, and young people in particular, to cater to old people? Isn’t it more reasonable and fair for society to expend more energy and resources on younger people who haven’t yet had the same opportunities and experiences? But I guess the Boomers were never slated to age gracefully and embrace their fragility as their parents did.

I guess aging gracefully to you means being warehoused somewhere, so they are out of the way when you are on vacation. Ideally, perhaps they would die and leave you money when you deem their usefulness to have expired .

A stunning lack of respect for those who are not strong or earning money any longer. I hope our society never embraces your Darwinian mindset.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. Out of curiosity, what was the exhausting trip? How long and where did you go? I feel so sorry for all the doddering old people I see everywhere these days. Honestly, it’s downright dangerous for a lot of them to be out and about.

But do you realize that society could be set up to accommodate the reality that a large segment of our population is aging. There is no reason that they should be consigned to their homes because they are not up to what young adults can handle.

That would require us to regard them with respect, and equal worth.

I don’t see that, at least on DCUM.

But they’ve lived their lives. Why should society, and young people in particular, to cater to old people? Isn’t it more reasonable and fair for society to expend more energy and resources on younger people who haven’t yet had the same opportunities and experiences? But I guess the Boomers were never slated to age gracefully and embrace their fragility as their parents did.

They are still living their lives. Present-tense.

Who are you to say their time is up.

They are a huge segment of society, and it is sickening that you actually think they deserve less than you.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. Out of curiosity, what was the exhausting trip? How long and where did you go? I feel so sorry for all the doddering old people I see everywhere these days. Honestly, it’s downright dangerous for a lot of them to be out and about.

But do you realize that society could be set up to accommodate the reality that a large segment of our population is aging. There is no reason that they should be consigned to their homes because they are not up to what young adults can handle.

That would require us to regard them with respect, and equal worth.

I don’t see that, at least on DCUM.

But they’ve lived their lives. Why should society, and young people in particular, to cater to old people? Isn’t it more reasonable and fair for society to expend more energy and resources on younger people who haven’t yet had the same opportunities and experiences? But I guess the Boomers were never slated to age gracefully and embrace their fragility as their parents did.

I guess aging gracefully to you means being warehoused somewhere, so they are out of the way when you are on vacation. Ideally, perhaps they would die and leave you money when you deem their usefulness to have expired .

A stunning lack of respect for those who are not strong or earning money any longer. I hope our society never embraces your Darwinian mindset.

PP here. Didn’t mean to offend, but honestly just a bit tired of Boomer selfishness and entitlement. Nothing is never enough for them, and God forbid you call them elderly (which they now all are). A generation in denial. And based on my experiences, they are the epitome of the Ugly Americans abroad, always screaming the loudest. I recently had a tour guide in France complain that they get off the cruise ships, on the bus, demand the a/c be turned up, demand to see the American battle sites, and then fall asleep when any French history is shared, or something isn’t in English. So yes, those people should stay home!

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah I struggle with wanting to travel now vs saving for the future and traveling then. But then I look at my in laws who never traveled (MIL has not been on an airplane since before she was married...43 years ago) and made big plans to go see the Canadian Rockies, take a train trip across the country and visit some national parks after retirement. Then they both developed health problems and are now too tired to do anything or go anywhere.
I am sure they are happy but I just can't imagine spending years looking forward to traveling and then never actually doing it.
We try and travel with our kids now and as much as our time, energy and budget allow. Not as much as I would like, but enough that I hope I won't look back on this time with regret.

Same. My dad was so excited to retire and spend summers in Italy or Croatia (he did plenty of that when we were kids too, he just wanted to do more of it), and he got an awful version of cancer 2 years into retirement. I just do t think I will be able to do strenuous trips when I am retired and am trying to do my bucket list within the next few years - not the luxury version as I am taking my kids (who pay full price as they’re teens). But still, I’m doing it now. Who knows what the future holds, I’ve been putting it off for too long.

This! You never know what the future will hold. I have know many people who were fit and healthy suddenly get diagnosed with cancer, have cardiac arrest and lots of other things. There are no guarantees.

We do what we can while we can now vs putting off to much for a retirement that may never come.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. Out of curiosity, what was the exhausting trip? How long and where did you go? I feel so sorry for all the doddering old people I see everywhere these days. Honestly, it’s downright dangerous for a lot of them to be out and about.

But do you realize that society could be set up to accommodate the reality that a large segment of our population is aging. There is no reason that they should be consigned to their homes because they are not up to what young adults can handle.

That would require us to regard them with respect, and equal worth.

I don’t see that, at least on DCUM.

But they’ve lived their lives. Why should society, and young people in particular, to cater to old people? Isn’t it more reasonable and fair for society to expend more energy and resources on younger people who haven’t yet had the same opportunities and experiences? But I guess the Boomers were never slated to age gracefully and embrace their fragility as their parents did.

They are still living their lives. Present-tense.

Who are you to say their time is up.

They are a huge segment of society, and it is sickening that you actually think they deserve less than you.

It definitely feels like there is a group of posters who believe people only have value from the ages of 25-45 and even then only if they are wealthy or come from generational wealth.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. Out of curiosity, what was the exhausting trip? How long and where did you go? I feel so sorry for all the doddering old people I see everywhere these days. Honestly, it’s downright dangerous for a lot of them to be out and about.

But do you realize that society could be set up to accommodate the reality that a large segment of our population is aging. There is no reason that they should be consigned to their homes because they are not up to what young adults can handle.

That would require us to regard them with respect, and equal worth.

I don’t see that, at least on DCUM.

But they’ve lived their lives. Why should society, and young people in particular, to cater to old people? Isn’t it more reasonable and fair for society to expend more energy and resources on younger people who haven’t yet had the same opportunities and experiences? But I guess the Boomers were never slated to age gracefully and embrace their fragility as their parents did.

They are still living their lives. Present-tense.

Who are you to say their time is up.

They are a huge segment of society, and it is sickening that you actually think they deserve less than you.

The problem is they want and expect MORE though, not the same.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. Out of curiosity, what was the exhausting trip? How long and where did you go? I feel so sorry for all the doddering old people I see everywhere these days. Honestly, it’s downright dangerous for a lot of them to be out and about.

I know. They should all stay in doors, waiting for death☠️.

Someday you will be “they.” And I’m sure you won’t enjoy the judgment of younger generations.

But why didn’t they do it when they were younger? That’s what we’re doing.

The privilege on this board never ceases to amaze me. Not everyone can afford to travel when they’re young. Maybe they’re helping care for their parents, maybe they have a special needs child, so many reasons.

Tough luck. Plenty of broke people still manage to travel. It's called shoestring travel. You're coming up for excuses while others just did it.

I'm in mid 40s, heading to Switzerland for a two week hiking trip this summer. No shortage of fit hikers in their 60s and 70s up in the Alps. My mother is going to Ireland to visit friends, and then exploring the Scottish islands on her own for another week. And she's 76. It's all about what you want to do and your mindset. If you want to sit home and complain about being old/tired/broke, go for it, but I'm not listening.

It's not just about the money to travel, it's about keeping your job. Not every job will give you enough time off (even unpaid!) to travel so much.

See. More excuses. Excuses and excuses. What job doesn't give you a week off out of the whole year? You're just coming up with moaning and whining excuses while others made it happen. Your choice.

Yep the privilege. You know there are actually jobs that don’t give time off - or maybe you didn’t before now.

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Before kids

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My mom hiked up Machu Picchu at age 89. She lived frugally her whole life and only started traveling in her eighties after my dad died. She lived until 101. She is my rock star and i hope to be able to travel like she did for as long as she did. I’m in my sixties and planning tons of trips.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. Out of curiosity, what was the exhausting trip? How long and where did you go? I feel so sorry for all the doddering old people I see everywhere these days. Honestly, it’s downright dangerous for a lot of them to be out and about.

But do you realize that society could be set up to accommodate the reality that a large segment of our population is aging. There is no reason that they should be consigned to their homes because they are not up to what young adults can handle.

That would require us to regard them with respect, and equal worth.

I don’t see that, at least on DCUM.

But they’ve lived their lives. Why should society, and young people in particular, to cater to old people? Isn’t it more reasonable and fair for society to expend more energy and resources on younger people who haven’t yet had the same opportunities and experiences? But I guess the Boomers were never slated to age gracefully and embrace their fragility as their parents did.

I guess aging gracefully to you means being warehoused somewhere, so they are out of the way when you are on vacation. Ideally, perhaps they would die and leave you money when you deem their usefulness to have expired .

A stunning lack of respect for those who are not strong or earning money any longer. I hope our society never embraces your Darwinian mindset.

PP here. Didn’t mean to offend, but honestly just a bit tired of Boomer selfishness and entitlement. Nothing is never enough for them, and God forbid you call them elderly (which they now all are). A generation in denial. And based on my experiences, they are the epitome of the Ugly Americans abroad, always screaming the loudest. I recently had a tour guide in France complain that they get off the cruise ships, on the bus, demand the a/c be turned up, demand to see the American battle sites, and then fall asleep when any French history is shared, or something isn’t in English. So yes, those people should stay home!

You seem to traffic in stereotypes. I’m sure you are a delight in foreign countries.

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I don't get the judgmental nature of these kinds of threads. Why do people get so concerned about how other people conduct their lives? Just travel or not, wait or not, whatever. Buy a nice car if you want. Get a new hobby if you want. Do whatever you want in and out of retirement. Nobody knows anyone else's motivations and life situation. This thread is just dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. Out of curiosity, what was the exhausting trip? How long and where did you go? I feel so sorry for all the doddering old people I see everywhere these days. Honestly, it’s downright dangerous for a lot of them to be out and about.

But do you realize that society could be set up to accommodate the reality that a large segment of our population is aging. There is no reason that they should be consigned to their homes because they are not up to what young adults can handle.

That would require us to regard them with respect, and equal worth.

I don’t see that, at least on DCUM.

But they’ve lived their lives. Why should society, and young people in particular, to cater to old people? Isn’t it more reasonable and fair for society to expend more energy and resources on younger people who haven’t yet had the same opportunities and experiences? But I guess the Boomers were never slated to age gracefully and embrace their fragility as their parents did.

I guess aging gracefully to you means being warehoused somewhere, so they are out of the way when you are on vacation. Ideally, perhaps they would die and leave you money when you deem their usefulness to have expired .

A stunning lack of respect for those who are not strong or earning money any longer. I hope our society never embraces your Darwinian mindset.

PP here. Didn’t mean to offend, but honestly just a bit tired of Boomer selfishness and entitlement. Nothing is never enough for them, and God forbid you call them elderly (which they now all are). A generation in denial. And based on my experiences, they are the epitome of the Ugly Americans abroad, always screaming the loudest. I recently had a tour guide in France complain that they get off the cruise ships, on the bus, demand the a/c be turned up, demand to see the American battle sites, and then fall asleep when any French history is shared, or something isn’t in English. So yes, those people should stay home!

Their money is a green as yours is. And they have a lot more of it than you do. Time to get over it.

We are traveling now AND later. Stay mad.