List of Undergrad Colleges for this year's 1L at Harvard Law

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Isnt Harvard law ranked #4???
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Anonymous wrote:You'll see a wide variety here so don't despair if your future lawyer doesn't go to an Ivy:

https://hls.harvard.edu/jdadmissions/apply-to-harvard-law-school/jdapplicants/hls-profile-and-facts/undergraduate-institutions/


Take a deeper look: 45 of the 147 schools are Top40ish Universities or Top15 LACs, and 20 of them are ivy-plus (Stan, Duke etc). There are 556 L1s . It is unlikely anything below the more competitive 45 schools has more than one admit. Those 45 may have two or more. The ivy-plus 20 may have even more each and in fact could make up half the class . Given that the ivy plus schools are small in size compared to others, there is significantly higher chance to get in from one of them than from a school outside the 45, nevermind all the schools not on the list.


You're misattributing their successful admission to the college they attended instead of to the individual. The reason more people are admitted from highly selective undergrad programs is that more highly capable students are in those programs.


This 1000%

And the more highly capable students who ended up at "elite" colleges tend to also have more financial means, meaning they know they can afford an elite law school. The highly capable kids who opted for state u or other private school and joined the honors program most likely are still thinking, how can I get a law degree from a good school and not be in debt until I'm 50+.



Of course this is but another thing posted on DCUM that nobody can prove or disprove...but something just doesn't make sense.

If there are supposedly many highly capable kids going to the Honors school at these state schools and are aiming for top law schools...why do many of these schools only have 1 graduate at Harvard vs. I don't know 15 from say Dartmouth (honestly, I am using the information that Yale provided like 3 years ago in terms of the numbers and extending it to Harvard)? That doesn't make any sense to me if what you say is correct.

I would imagine there are hundreds if not thousands of graduates from these State school honors programs...in theory, they had very high SAT/ACT scores in order to get accepted into those programs...yet they are not represented at Top 10 law schools anywhere close to some of these other schools.

Are you saying that the "good" law schools are say University of Minnesota (I only picked that because it was rated top 15 in the latest US News survey) vs. shooting for Harvard?



ding ding ding! The elite undergrad programs provide boost to ivy+ grad programs. Studies have shown it.
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Anonymous wrote:People may want to reconsider law school in general...especially if you are a college freshman or HS senior today.

From an article on how Generative AI will transform law:

This first wave we are already beginning to see now, with widespread AI adoption and experimentation occurring in corporate legal departments and law firms of all sizes. Over the next one-to-three years, the legal industry will increasingly gain access to trusted Gen AI tools from both large technology companies and legal technology providers, letting legal departments and law firms move from pure experimentation to putting AI plans into action. Especially at the beginning, this work will be focused on back-office functions and support staff. Law firms and their clients will begin considering how they can optimize their labor costs, reducing numbers of new associate hires and non-fee-earning staff.

The focus on non-billable work will not last for long, however, particularly as Gen AI technology advances to perform more complex tasks. Looking three-to-five years out, we begin to see changes to the legal business model emerge. AI will allow legal work to be done more efficiently, and corporate legal departments will put increasing pressure on law firms and outside providers to deliver work faster. As less time is spent on legal tasks, the billable hour will no longer be the most cost-effective way to capture value, prompting firms to reimagine their billing models to better share in efficiency savings and capture the value that’s added through advanced technology.

In response, large law firms will seek to capture more revenue by deploying staff, including juniors, to higher value work. They may also use their new law or internal innovations teams to standardize repeatable work that might otherwise be unprofitable. Meanwhile, small- and midsize law firms will be able to use Gen AI to grow their practice without needing to hire more staff. Regardless of size, however, the point is that change is a must: The law firms that don’t adapt will not be able to keep up with the efficiencies gained by their peers.

Finally, extending the time horizon out five-to-ten years leads to greater automation of legal services — and, in some cases, partial or full disintermediation of the legal professional through AI. With Gen AI technology capable of tackling even more complex tasks, AI will be a primary driver of day-to-day legal tasks, with legal practitioners acting as supervisors and strategists. The result is a complete overhaul of not only how legal services are completed and billed, but also the mix of players in the legal arena that are most needed.


This may be true but at the end of the day, AI cannot analyze and synthesize information the way a lawyer can. It is just looking at things depending on what you feed into it.


It will do it better
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Anonymous wrote:You'll see a wide variety here so don't despair if your future lawyer doesn't go to an Ivy:

https://hls.harvard.edu/jdadmissions/apply-to-harvard-law-school/jdapplicants/hls-profile-and-facts/undergraduate-institutions/


Take a deeper look: 45 of the 147 schools are Top40ish Universities or Top15 LACs, and 20 of them are ivy-plus (Stan, Duke etc). There are 556 L1s . It is unlikely anything below the more competitive 45 schools has more than one admit. Those 45 may have two or more. The ivy-plus 20 may have even more each and in fact could make up half the class . Given that the ivy plus schools are small in size compared to others, there is significantly higher chance to get in from one of them than from a school outside the 45, nevermind all the schools not on the list.


You're misattributing their successful admission to the college they attended instead of to the individual. The reason more people are admitted from highly selective undergrad programs is that more highly capable students are in those programs.


Also, how many people from lower-ranked colleges from around the country even bother applying to HLS? Yes, probably just one kid from Kansas State got accepted, but probably very very few applied.


The kid at Kansas State University might be the only one who applied. But there a few dozen Ivy League, Ivy League+, and Public Ivy alum who teach at Kansas State and make sure the students are ready for the next level.
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Anonymous wrote:Considering the behavior of recent law students at Yale, Stanford, etc. I am beyond relieved that my kids aren't interested in law school.


Yale and Stanford will be devastated by this news
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Anonymous wrote:Isnt Harvard law ranked #4???


Tied with UVA Law.
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