Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?

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Anonymous wrote:Given its ranking, Yale is incredibly weak in engineering. Most of the major public universities are far better. Harvard too is comparatively weak given its name. Both schools have the resources so not sure what the problem is. I think traditionally Ivy League schools looked down upon engineering. And now they're playing catch up. It's interesting that the best Ivy for engineering - Cornell - is also kind of sort of a public school.

Other notable schools weak in engineering - Chicago and Georgetown.

WSJ rates Harvard #1 for top colleges for engineering salaries. https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-colleges-high-paying-jobs-engineering-7be5d8f2

RANK
COLLEGE
ANNUAL SALARY PREMIUM
ENGINEERING % OF GRADUATES
AVERAGE YEARLY SALARY
2019-2020 AVERAGE NET PRICE
1 Harvard University $39,945 1.79% $130,119 $18,037
2 Stanford University $34,385 6.57% $124,559 $20,023
3 California Institute of Technology $25,252 13.63% $115,426 $26,591
4 Princeton University $24,995 3.97% $115,169 $18,685
5 Brown University $24,553 3.02% $114,727 $27,659
6 University of Pennsylvania $20,477 2.94% $110,651 $24,167
7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology $19,576 15.00% $109,750 $19,998
8 Columbia University in the City of New York $17,736 4.06% $107,910 $22,126
9 Dartmouth College $16,256 2.98% $106,430 $24,525
10 Santa Clara University $15,883 5.62% $106,057 $48,284

This doesn't mean anything. That's because a lot of grads from those kinds of universities end up going into garbage career fields like investing, consulting, or some other highly paid useless field.

This is for people working in Engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been surprised to learn that some schools I hear great things have virtually nonexistent or weak engineering programs- BC, Wash U, UNC. Trying to get a sense of other schools in the top 20-50 range.

UNC doesn't have an engineering school, maybe bc as a state school they are themselves as part of a larger system and at least from my NC high school, the students who became engineers all went to NC State. These were good students -- AP Calc BC, Science Olympiad placements, etc.

Agree UNC is a better school and my fellow UNC alums mostly left the state and moved to bigger markets. The NC State grads tended to stay in NC.

UNC does have selected areas like Biomedical Engineering. NC State is the big engineering school.

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Anonymous wrote:Typically, the students who get into MIT have much higher stats than those who got into engineering at Elizabethtown. I think test results would show a difference.

Right. Picking MIT for examples is maybe a little unfair. But let’s focus on an earlier assertion that UVA is weak. Pick a few MIT freshman students and send them to UVA instead. Then take them as finished products of UVA and compare them to the finished products of the “strong” schools. I’m pretty sure they will be among the best, coming out of UVA. How is that possible if UVA is weak? It’s not.

Are you an engineer? How many companies recruit engineers from UVA? It is pretty well known that UVA engineering prepares students to manage engineers and strong engineering schools teach students to be engineers. The Level of complexity and application of material is stronger at universities that have developed engineering curriculum over time. That is why they are ranked higher.

Who in the world manages engineers without first being an engineer?

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Anonymous wrote:Typically, the students who get into MIT have much higher stats than those who got into engineering at Elizabethtown. I think test results would show a difference.

Right. Picking MIT for examples is maybe a little unfair. But let’s focus on an earlier assertion that UVA is weak. Pick a few MIT freshman students and send them to UVA instead. Then take them as finished products of UVA and compare them to the finished products of the “strong” schools. I’m pretty sure they will be among the best, coming out of UVA. How is that possible if UVA is weak? It’s not.

Are you an engineer? How many companies recruit engineers from UVA? It is pretty well known that UVA engineering prepares students to manage engineers and strong engineering schools teach students to be engineers. The Level of complexity and application of material is stronger at universities that have developed engineering curriculum over time. That is why they are ranked higher.

Who in the world manages engineers without first being an engineer?

The type that don’t do the actual engineering, just manage the engineers that do.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the undergrad engineering list:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate

FYI, that "undergrad" list you linked is solely based on peer assessment reviews, which is rather bogus methodology according to many.

The first link for the best engineering schools is based on much more comprehensive data.

FYI, no one here is talking about grad schools, so the link for undergraduate programs is much more applicable and appropriate.

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Anonymous wrote:Typically, the students who get into MIT have much higher stats than those who got into engineering at Elizabethtown. I think test results would show a difference.

Right. Picking MIT for examples is maybe a little unfair. But let’s focus on an earlier assertion that UVA is weak. Pick a few MIT freshman students and send them to UVA instead. Then take them as finished products of UVA and compare them to the finished products of the “strong” schools. I’m pretty sure they will be among the best, coming out of UVA. How is that possible if UVA is weak? It’s not.

Are you an engineer? How many companies recruit engineers from UVA? It is pretty well known that UVA engineering prepares students to manage engineers and strong engineering schools teach students to be engineers. The Level of complexity and application of material is stronger at universities that have developed engineering curriculum over time. That is why they are ranked higher.

Who in the world manages engineers without first being an engineer?

The type that don’t do the actual engineering, just manage the engineers that do.

How many get to that position without being a practicing engineer?

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Anonymous wrote:Typically, the students who get into MIT have much higher stats than those who got into engineering at Elizabethtown. I think test results would show a difference.

And much higher stats than UVA, obviously.

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Anonymous wrote:Typically, the students who get into MIT have much higher stats than those who got into engineering at Elizabethtown. I think test results would show a difference.

And much higher stats than UVA, obviously.

Indeed. While I'm sure a UVA eng student can do fine, the caliber of students is totally different, and I would imagine, their outcomes may be a bit different. That is why certain companies only recruit from certain colleges.

I'm sure the UVA booster will remind us that is why IB companies recruit at UVA, right? and not at say UMD

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Anonymous wrote:This is the undergrad engineering list:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate

FYI, that "undergrad" list you linked is solely based on peer assessment reviews, which is rather bogus methodology according to many.

The first link for the best engineering schools is based on much more comprehensive data.

FYI, no one here is talking about grad schools, so the link for undergraduate programs is much more applicable and appropriate.

You really think that the strength of the graduate engineering program has nothing to do with the strength of the undergraduate program?? Sorry, I think you are completely wrong, and I would wager that most people in the engineering world would agree with me.

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Anonymous wrote:Typically, the students who get into MIT have much higher stats than those who got into engineering at Elizabethtown. I think test results would show a difference.

Right. Picking MIT for examples is maybe a little unfair. But let’s focus on an earlier assertion that UVA is weak. Pick a few MIT freshman students and send them to UVA instead. Then take them as finished products of UVA and compare them to the finished products of the “strong” schools. I’m pretty sure they will be among the best, coming out of UVA. How is that possible if UVA is weak? It’s not.

Are you an engineer? How many companies recruit engineers from UVA? It is pretty well known that UVA engineering prepares students to manage engineers and strong engineering schools teach students to be engineers. The Level of complexity and application of material is stronger at universities that have developed engineering curriculum over time. That is why they are ranked higher.

Yes, I went to Virginia Tech and completed 7 years of engineering, but departed early in my PhD program. I don’t buy the preparation talk. It sounds like people that matriculate to UVA are naturally leaders and organized. Less likely to be INTJ types, more entrepreneurial. But even if you are correct, “weak” is a ridiculous characterization.

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There is a massive difference in the quality of faculty, labs, research performed etc. If you want to be a SME it matters. But really, there is a lot of OJT once you get on your first engineering job, so it doesn’t matter after a few years unless you’re really into research and keeping up with the latest. I’m an engineer but not a SME in anything. I manage a > $1b project so l need to know a little bit about everything and who to ask. We hire some of the universities to do materials and testing and studies for us.

There’s a huge variety of jobs you can do within engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:Yale
Harvard
Brown
UNC
UVA
BU
Notre Dame
Wash U
Dartmouth
NYU
U Chicago
Vandy
Emory
Tufts

I think you've overreached with that list.
Notre Dame, for sure, has a great and well established engineering program.

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Anonymous wrote:BC isn't weak in engineering. Just stop. This has to a BU or NEU troll.

We are looking into engineering programs and think BCs is not even ABET approved yet -

The Human-Centered Engineering program is being designed to meet the standards of ABET, the main body for accreditation of engineering programs in the United States.

An engineering program cannot apply for ABET accreditation until after it has graduated its first class. With that in mind, we expect to apply for ABET accreditation in the year following the graduation of the Class of 2025. ABET accreditation will be applied retroactively to the previous years’ classes.

Incidentally, Stanford’s engineering programs, with the exception of CivE and MechE, are no longer ABET accredited.

Stanford felt the ABET requirements for some of the engineering majors were too restrictive and chose to select their own major requirements. Those Stanford grads not having trouble getting jobs

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Princeton and Cornell have the best engineering programs in the ivies. The others lag especially Yale

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Anonymous wrote:Typically, the students who get into MIT have much higher stats than those who got into engineering at Elizabethtown. I think test results would show a difference.

And much higher stats than UVA, obviously.

The engineering students at UVa are from TJ, so their stats are quite high. Helpful to have the nation’s top high school delivering such talented students year after year. Asian families know the value of a dollar and their kids end up at SpaceX just the same.